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JESUS CHRIST JUDGED THE PEOPLE OF THE OLD TESTAMENT!
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Donna Kupp
2012-05-22 12:37:44 UTC
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JESUS CHRIST JUDGED THE PEOPLE OF THE OLD TESTAMENT!

It was Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who led the people out of Egypt
and spoke the Ten Commandments on Mount Sinai. He has always been the
one mediator between the Father and mankind.

He has always been the One Ruler of Israel opposed to the many gods of
the heathen. He has always been the obedient son who speaks the
Father's words and does the will of the Father who is the Almighty
God. When men obey Jesus, the Messiah, they obey the Father who sent
Him. Jesus Christ of Nazareth, the Messiah, said:

Joh 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all
judgment unto the Son:

Joh 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the
Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which
hath sent him.

Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and
believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not
come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Joh 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now
is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they
that hear shall live.

Joh 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath He given to
the Son to have life in himself;

Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also,
because he is the Son of man.

Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all
that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the
resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the
resurrection of damnation.

Joh 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my
judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of
the Father which hath sent me.

THE SON'S JUDGMENT ON SODOM AND UPON GOMORRAH

24 Then the LORD3068 rained4305 upon5921 Sodom5467 and upon5921
Gomorrah6017 brimstone1614 and fire784 from4480, 854 the LORD3068 out
of4480 heaven;8064

For those who have eyes to see, Genesis 19:24 has two Jehovahs; the
Father and the Son to whom he has committed all judgment.

Who will repent and submit to His authority?

Donna Kupp

The Seven Deadly Deceptions Of Counterfeit Christianity
http://www.freetruth.info
vince garcia
2012-05-22 13:59:36 UTC
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As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

--Apostle paul
A thousand may pray until their knees are bloody, but if they are not
keeping His Commandments, God says their prayer is an abomination to
Him. Yet the prayers of one one man who abides in Him can change the
"The effectual fervent prayer of a RIGHTEOUS man availeth much."
James 5:16 KJV
“Little children, let no one deceive you. He who DOES RIGHT is
RIGHTEOUS.” 1 John 3:7 RSV
Sounds good, doesn't it? SOUNDS like something a believer in Christ
might really say.

But what is the truth behind what Donna Kupp teaches and believes?

How can we know if this woman is of God or actually a false teacher when
she speaks?

Paul gives us the answer:

2 cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve
through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the
simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not
preached, or if ye receive ANOTHER SPIRIT, which ye have not received,
or ANOTHER GOSPEL, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with
him.

2 cor 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming
themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of
light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed
as the MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS; whose end shall be according to their
works.

Donna Kupp, for those who do not know, is a woman preaching a false
gospel with a false Christ that denies virtually every possible
essential of the Christian faith.

Note here paul's words about false teachers: they will actually be
"MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS"!!!!! Not antinomians, teaching lawlessness
and freedom to sin, but MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, teaching an
apparently good-sounding Gospel that is actually ANOTHER GOSPEL about
ANOTHER JESUS!

Let us test Donna Kupp's own words against the doctrines of
the New Testament and the Christian church, and see if we can determine
whether she is a servant of God, or actually a minister of Satan!

1. First, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach "ANOTHER
JESUS."

Is Donna Kupp's Jesus YOUR Jesus? Is her Jesus the Jesus of
Scripture?

While Donna Kupp just made a number of statements sound like something a
real Christian might make, we cannot make a judgment whether she is or
is not a true Christian based only on what she just posted here. We must
determine if she really teaches the same Jesus REAL Christians follow by
looking at statements she, herself, has made about Christ in the past,
that she may not throw out on a regular basis, because she knows it
reveals what she REALLY thinks about Christ.

So what does she actually say about the Jesus she follows, and
supposedly places faith in?

This...
"In the beginning was Jesus
and Jesus was with THE RULER,
and Jesus was Ruler.
The same was in the beginning with THE RULER."
John was teaching that Jesus was our Ruler (our theos) and that
Jesus was with the Father from the very beginning of creation.
(Not that Jesus was one third of some mysterious and mind-
boggling "Trinity" that no one had ever heard of.)
We can stop right there. Donna Kupp, denying the deity of Christ,
rewrites the Gospel of John in a manner that affirms that denial, so we
can either change all our Bibles to her new trenslation that "proves"
Jesus is NOT fully God, but some other sort of created lesser being, or
we can allow the sacred words of the apostle John to stand AS WRITTEN!

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the WORD
WAS GOD.

So we see her Jesus is ANOTHER JESUS that orthodox Protestants and
Evangelicals (and Catholics) DO NOT believe in.

For US, Jesus is God in flesh, fully God and fully man, and 2nd Person
of the Trinity she goes on to mock and deny.


2. Next, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach or operate under
a "DIFFERENT SPIRIT".

Does Donna Kupp teach and receive anoining by the same Holy Spirit that
REAL Christians follow?

Judge for yourself by her own words.
The concept that the Holy Spirit is God is based on a single verse in
Acts (5:3) where it says that Ananias lied to the Holy Spirit - and
later it says that he lied to God.
To conclude that the Holy Spirit is God on the basis of those verses is
merely an interpretation which adds to what is actually written. Since
the Spirit is the means of communciation between God and man, if you
lie to the Spirit you are in effect lying to God. Are there any verses
which actually say that the Holy Spirit is God?
Not one!
Jesus did not teach the Trinity, the apostles did not teach it, and it
was not taught by church leaders for three hundred years after the
death of Christ.
All REAL Christians believe not only in the deity of Christ, but also
the Godhood of the Holy Spirit. As we see from her own words, Donna
Kupp denies those two essentials of the faith, and proclaims the Holy
Spirit is only some nebulous "means of communication between God and
man"

So now we see she has fulfilled the SECOND warning of Paul--she has
A DIFFERENT SPIRIT than REAL Christians do.

By the way, her LIES about the history of the Trinity are instantly
refutable:

The deity of Christ was EXPLICITLY taught by Ignatius in the early 2nd
century

"To the Church at Ephesus in Asia . . . chosen through true suffering by
the will of the Father in Jesus Christ our God"
"FOR OUR GOD, Jesus Christ, was conceived by Mary in accord with God�s
plan: of the seed of David, it is true, but also of the Holy Spirit"

Letter to the Ephesians 1 110 AD
There is no record of the co-equal, co-eternal, three-in-one God
being taught by a single one of the early church fathers. It
was not a part of Christian teaching until it was formulated by the
Second Ecumenical Council at Constantinople in 381.A.D.
"No record"?


For the Church, although dispersed throughout the whole world even to
the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and from their
disciples the faith in one God, the Father Almighty . . . and in one
Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who became flesh for our salvation; and in
the Holy Spirit

Irenaeus, before 200 AD

And at the same time the mystery of the oikonomia is safeguarded, for
the unity is distributed in a TRINITY. Placed in order, the three are
the Father, Son, and Spirit. They are three, however, not in condition,
but in degree; not in being, but in form; not in power, but in kind; of
one being, however, and one condition and one power, because he is one
God of whom degrees and forms and kinds are taken into account in the
name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit"

Tertullian "Against Praxeas" early 200s AD

For Scripture as much announces Christ AS ALSO GOD, as it announces God
himself as man. It has as much described Jesus Christ to be man, as
moreover it has also described Christ the Lord to be God. Because it
does not set forth him to be the Son of God only, but also the son of
man; nor does it only say, the son of man, but it has also been
accustomed to speak of him as the Son of God. So that being of both, he
is both, lest if he should be one only, he could not be the other. For
as nature itself has prescribed that he must be believed to be a man who
is of man, so the same nature prescribes also that he must be believed
to be God who is of God. . . . Let them, therefore, who read that Jesus
Christ the son of man is man, read also that this same Jesus is called
also God and the Son of God"

Novatian, Treatise on the Trinity 11 235 AD

And now the capstone to Kupp's historial and TEXTUAL illiteracy:

The Lord says: 'I and the Father are one.' And again of the Father and
Son and the Holy Spirit it is written: 'And these three are one'.
Cyprian --Treatise 1 on the unity of the Catholic Church, chapter 6,
early 3rd century, PROVING THE LEGITIMACY OF THE COMMA JOHANNEUM KUPP
(and other historical illiterates) SAY IS A FRAUD.


3. The minister of Satan will also teach "ANOTHER GOSPEL."

Does Donna Kupp uphold the CHRISTIAN gospel? We've already seen she
denies and perverts the nature of Jesus Himself and the precious Holy
Spirit. But what is her actual gospel message? She talks about
obedience, and making Jesus Lord...but what does she really believe
about sin, justification, and sanctification? Does she ever lay out her
beliefs in clear language so the body of Christ can see and judge
whether she is or is not a fellow believer?

Yes!
To be saved is the first step in the process of salvation. Those who
are saved do not have eternal life -
Did you get that? THOSE WHO ARE SAVED ___DO NOT___HAVE ETERNAL LIFE!!!

LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

jn 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, HATH eternal life;
and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name
of the Son of God; that YE MAY KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that
ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of
yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
"If one who is born of God has truly repented of committing sin
(chosen to cease from sin) and then deliberately commits sin he has
despised the Holy Spirit, just as the OT the Israelites despised the
Law of God. It is blasphemy!"
"When we are converted all past sins are forgiven. After a person is
born-again, only sins of ignorance are forgiven. If a person sins
with knowledge and intent after that time, they have blasphemed
the Holy Spirit and there is no more sacrifice for sin. See Hebrews
6:1-8; Hebrews 10:26-31."
LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves
are ALSO FOUND SINNERS, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God
forbid.

Apparently, paul understood that even those justified in Christ STILL
SINNED!

Are we sure? Well, let's again test the doctrine of donna kupp by Paul's
own words, written in the last months of his life:

1 tim 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation,
that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I AM
CHIEF.

Wait a minute--I thought Donna said any Christian who willingly commits
even ONE SIN is eternally damned!

Apparently, paul did not realize this when he acknowledged he was the
WORST of sinners in 67 AD when he wrote this, 30+ years after finding
Christ! Thus, he must have been guilty of blaspheming the spirit
according to false teachers harold and donna kupp

What else did Paul have to say about whether Christians do or do not
commit sin in romans 7?

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing:
for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I
find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: BUT THE EVIL WHICH I WOULD NOT,
____THAT I DO___.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin
that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with
me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my
mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my
members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this
death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I
myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Does THAT sound like a man who has reached the state of sinless
perfection like Donna Kupp, who claims any sin she commits is 100%
accidental and unintentional??????

And this is her ultimate blasphemy regarding the blood of Christ...
Blood of Christ covers: 1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light,
as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the
blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. (Only sins
of ignorance)
Notice how donna kupp added the words "Only sins of ignorance" to
pervert John's words? Just as she did with the powerful passage in John
1:1, she rejects the message and inserts her own heretical words flat
out CONTRADICTING what was actually written! John says Christ's blood
cleanses us from ALL sin; Donna adds words to change it to all
UNINTENTIONAL sins, making the blood of Christ LIMITED in its ability to
atone for sin.

Kupp also has missed what Jesus said about how imperfect His followers
will always be:

Luke 4:4 And FORGIVE US OUR SINS; for we also forgive every one that is
indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from
evil.

Meanwhile, THIS is God's true message of salvation:

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become
the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

And while Donna Kupp blasphemes the gospel by claiming we keep--and
actually earn--our salvation through keeping the 10 commandments
perfectly, here is what the SCRIPTURE says about how we stay in right
standing security with God:

1 peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a
lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not
away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 WHO ARE KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD __THROUGH FAITH__ UNTO SALVATION
ready to be revealed in the last time.

So now we see her "gospel" IS NOT the gospel of the New testament. It is
a false gospel that...

A. Requires Bible verses to be rewritten in a heretical manner.
B. Requires adding a clarification to Scripture that TOTALLY overturns
what the Scripture actually SAYS.
C. Must deny the deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit.
D. Requires remaining in a state of salvation by keeping the 10
commandments PERFECTLY, or else the person is now damned without
possibility of repentance.
E. Blasphemes and limits the atoning power of Christ's blood to
"Only sins of ignorance."


4. As we noted, Paul says the MINISTER OF SATAN will actually appear to
be a MINISTER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS! That is what makes them so deceptive.
They are serpents in the guise of sheep, preaching righteous living and
'keeping God's holy law' while in their hearts is satan himself, drawing
people away from TRUE righteousness, to a perverted notion of it based
on keeping commandments!

Take a look at Donna Kupp's deceptive posts, including this one. Every
one touts the keeping of biblical commandments, threatens people with
damnation for failing to keep biblical commandments, and threatenes them
with damnation if anyone should ever--EVEN ONE TIME--willingly BREAK a
biblical commandment.

So Kupp APPEARS to be preaching the righteousness of 'keeping God's holy
commandments'...yet she does it in a way that is an UTTER PERVERSION of
the gospel of grace, and comes right from the mouth of satan speaking
good things, and making her LOOK like a minister of righetousness.

So, summing it up, Paul says that a minister of satan will...

Preach another Jesus...
Preach under another spirit...
Preach a different gospel...
While appearing to be a minister of righteousness while doing so!

I believe Donna Kupp meets ALL FOUR CRITERIA.

Based on the totality of her teachings, I see no conclusion other than
that the "Jesus" she follows is a demon spirit, and the "Yahweh" she
speaks for is actually SATAN.


I am dead to the law by the crucified body of Christ. Are you?
vince garcia
2012-05-22 14:30:07 UTC
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As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, LET HIM BE ACCURSED.

--Apostle paul



John 1:1
Donna Kupp translation
"In the beginning was Jesus
and Jesus was with THE RULER,
and Jesus was Ruler.
The same was in the beginning with THE RULER."
_______________________________________________________________________


John 1:1 CJB
Complete Jewish Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 ESV
English Standard Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 HNV
Hebrew Names Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 KJV
King James Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 ASV
American Standard Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 BBE
Bible in Basic English
From the first he was the Word, and the Word was in relation with God
and was God.


John 1:1 CEB
Common English Bible
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was
God.


John 1:1 RHE
Douay-Rheims
In the beginning was the Word: and the Word was with God: and the Word
was God.

John 1:1 GW
GOD'S WORD Translation
In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and
the Word was God.

John 1:1 GNT
Good News Translation
In the beginning the Word already existed; the Word was with God, and
the Word was God.


John 1:1 CSB
Holman Christian Standard
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 LEB
Lexham English Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.

New American Standard
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 NCV
New Century Version
In the beginning there was the Word. The Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 NIRV
New International Reader's Version
In the beginning, the Word was already there. The Word was with God, and
the Word was God.


John 1:1 NIV
New International Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 NKJV
New King James Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 NLT
New Living Translation
In the beginning the Word already existed. He was with God, and he was
God.


John 1:1 NRS
New Revised Standard
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.

John 1:1 NWT
New World Translation (Jehovah's Witnesses)
1 In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the
Word was a god.

John 1:1 RSV
Revised Standard Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.

John 1:1 DT
The Darby Translation
In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 MSG
The Message
The Word was first, the Word present to God, God present to the Word.
The Word was God,


John 1:1 WBT
The Webster Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 TMB
Third Millennium Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 TNIV
Today's New International Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 WNT
Weymouth New Testament
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 WEB
World English Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 WYC
Wycliffe
In the beginning was the word, and the word was at God, and God was the
word. [In the beginning was the word, that is, God's Son, and the word
was at God, and God was the word.]


John 1:1 YLT
Young's Literal Translation
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God;




Well...this post shows an example of what Donna and Harold Kupp find it
necessary to do in order to promote THEIR version of Christ and the
Gospel: Rewrite one of the most important verses of scripture, and
pervert it into a ridiculous statement of BS ...for certainly every
Bible that dares render the greek (correctly) as "The word was God" MUST
be wrong.

Apparently, only Harold and Donna Kupp know how to translate scripture
correctly.

Perhaps they claim the anointing and authority of Joseph Smith as well?

As wrong as they are on their 'translation' here is as wrong as they are
on EVERY POINT OF DOCTRINE THEY HAVE.


But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his
subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is
in Christ.
For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not
preached, or if ye receive ANOTHER SPIRIT, which ye have not received,
or ANOTHER GOSPEL, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with
him.

--Apostle paul


Donna Kupp meets all 3 criteria
vince garcia
2012-05-24 12:59:13 UTC
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‎~ Counterfeit Christianity and Human Secularism allow each person to
have their personal truth.
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, LET HIM BE ACCURSED.

--Apostle paul
There is no record of the co-equal, co-eternal, three-in-one God
being taught by a single one of the early church fathers. It
was not a part of Christian teaching until it was formulated by the
Second Ecumenical Council at Constantinople in 381.A.D.
--Donna Kupp


NO RECORD BY A "SINGLE ONE" OF THE CHURCH FATHERS???


We will prove that we worship him reasonably; for we have learned that
he is the Son of the true God himself, that he holds a second place, and
the Spirit of prophecy a third. For this they accuse us of madness,
saying that we attribute to a crucified man a place second to the
unchangeable and eternal God, the Creator of all things; but they are
ignorant of the mystery which lies therein.

CHURCH FATHER Justin Martyr around 160 AD


For the Church, although dispersed throughout the whole world even to
the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and from their
disciples the faith in one God, the Father Almighty . . . and in one
Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who became flesh for our salvation; and in
the Holy Spirit

CHURCH FATHER Irenaeus, before 200 AD

And at the same time the mystery of the oikonomia is safeguarded, for
the unity is distributed in a TRINITY. Placed in order, the three are
the Father, Son, and Spirit. They are three, however, not in condition,
but in degree; not in being, but in form; not in power, but in kind; of
one being, however, and one condition and one power, because he is one
God of whom degrees and forms and kinds are taken into account in the
name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit"

CHURCH FATHER Tertullian "Against Praxeas" early 200s AD

The Father's Word, therefore, knowing the economy and the will of the
Father, to wit, that the Father seeks to be worshipped in none other way
than this, gave this charge to the disciples after he rose from the
dead: "Go ye and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the
Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." (Matt 28:19) And by this
he showed that whosoever omitted any one of these, failed in glorifying
God perfectly. For it is through THE TRINITY that the Father is
glorified. For the Father willed, the Son did and the Spirit manifested.

CHURCH FATHER Hippolytus of Rome 220 AD

There is one God.... There is a perfect Trinity, in glory and eternity
and sovereignty, neither divided nor estranged. Wherefore there is
nothing either created or in servitude in the Trinity; nor anything
super-induced, as if at some former period it was non-existent, and at
some later period it was introduced. And thus neither was the Son ever
wanting to the Father, nor the Spirit to the Son; but without variation
and without change, the same Trinity abides ever.

CHURCH FATHER Gregory Thaumaturgus 265 AD


For Scripture as much announces Christ AS ALSO GOD, as it announces God
himself as man. It has as much described Jesus Christ to be man, as
moreover it has also described Christ the Lord to be God. Because it
does not set forth him to be the Son of God only, but also the son of
man; nor does it only say, the son of man, but it has also been
accustomed to speak of him as the Son of God. So that being of both, he
is both, lest if he should be one only, he could not be the other. For
as nature itself has prescribed that he must be believed to be a man who
is of man, so the same nature prescribes also that he must be believed
to be God who is of God. . . . Let them, therefore, who read that Jesus
Christ the son of man is man, read also that this same Jesus is called
also God and the Son of God"

Novatian, Treatise on the Trinity 11 235 AD

And now the capstone to Kupp's historial and TEXTUAL illiteracy:

The Lord says: 'I and the Father are one.' And again of the Father and
Son and the Holy Spirit it is written: 'And these three are one'.
Cyprian --Treatise 1 on the unity of the Catholic Church, chapter 6,
early 3rd century, PROVING THE LEGITIMACY OF THE COMMA JOHANNEUM KUPP
(and other historical illiterates) SAY IS A FRAUD.


The purpose of this post is to show the actual truth about how ignorant
and unlearned Donna Kupp actually is, despite trying to pretend she is
some sort of legitimate historian on Chritianity.

Anyone who make THIS sort of claim...
There is no record of the co-equal, co-eternal, three-in-one God
being taught by a single one of the early church fathers. It
was not a part of Christian teaching until it was formulated by the
Second Ecumenical Council at Constantinople in 381.A.D.
...Has no business even giving an opinion on Christian history, let
alone teaching the Bible.

As wrong as she is about THIS, is as wrong as she is on every point of
theology she holds

As is always the case with heretics and cultists, the god of these
people must rely on his representatives speaking lie after lie in an
attemopt to deceive the sheep into following the false teacher and false
god behind the teacher.


But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his
subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is
in Christ.
For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not
preached, or if ye receive ANOTHER SPIRIT, which ye have not received,
or ANOTHER GOSPEL, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with
him.

--Apostle paul


Donna Kupp meets all 3 criteria
Donna Kupp
2012-05-24 21:17:46 UTC
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EXTRA! EXTRA! READ ALL ABOUT IT!

Why listen to rumors? We invite you to our free journal, website and
moderated forum:

Forum:

http://groups.google.com/group/Freetruth?hl=en,

Journal:

http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/show.php?i=630302&cat=0

Website:

The Seven Deadly Deceptions Of Counterfeit Christianity
http://www.freetruth.info
vince garcia
2012-05-24 23:03:54 UTC
Permalink
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, LET HIM BE ACCURSED.

--Apostle paul



John 1:1
Donna Kupp translation
"In the beginning was Jesus
and Jesus was with THE RULER,
and Jesus was Ruler."
_______________________________________________________________________


John 1:1 CJB
Complete Jewish Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 ESV
English Standard Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 HNV
Hebrew Names Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 KJV
King James Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 ASV
American Standard Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 BBE
Bible in Basic English
From the first he was the Word, and the Word was in relation with God
and was God.


John 1:1 CEB
Common English Bible
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was
God.


John 1:1 RHE
Douay-Rheims
In the beginning was the Word: and the Word was with God: and the Word
was God.

John 1:1 GW
GOD'S WORD Translation
In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and
the Word was God.

John 1:1 GNT
Good News Translation
In the beginning the Word already existed; the Word was with God, and
the Word was God.


John 1:1 CSB
Holman Christian Standard
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 LEB
Lexham English Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.

New American Standard
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 NCV
New Century Version
In the beginning there was the Word. The Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 NIRV
New International Reader's Version
In the beginning, the Word was already there. The Word was with God, and
the Word was God.


John 1:1 NIV
New International Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 NKJV
New King James Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 NLT
New Living Translation
In the beginning the Word already existed. He was with God, and he was
God.


John 1:1 NRS
New Revised Standard
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.

John 1:1 NWT
New World Translation (Jehovah's Witnesses)
1 In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the
Word was a god.

John 1:1 RSV
Revised Standard Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.

John 1:1 DT
The Darby Translation
In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 MSG
The Message
The Word was first, the Word present to God, God present to the Word.
The Word was God,


John 1:1 WBT
The Webster Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 TMB
Third Millennium Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 TNIV
Today's New International Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 WNT
Weymouth New Testament
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 WEB
World English Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 WYC
Wycliffe
In the beginning was the word, and the word was at God, and God was the
word. [In the beginning was the word, that is, God's Son, and the word
was at God, and God was the word.]


John 1:1 YLT
Young's Literal Translation
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God;




Well...this post shows an example of what Donna and Harold Kupp find it
necessary to do in order to promote THEIR version of Christ and the
Gospel: Rewrite one of the most important verses of scripture, and
pervert it into a ridiculous statement of BS ...for certainly every
Bible that dares render the greek (correctly) as "The word was God" MUST
be wrong.

Apparently, only Harold and Donna Kupp know how to translate scripture
correctly.

Perhaps they claim the anointing and authority of Joseph Smith as well?

As wrong as they are on their 'translation' here is as wrong as they are
on EVERY POINT OF DOCTRINE THEY HAVE.


But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his
subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is
in Christ.
For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not
preached, or if ye receive ANOTHER SPIRIT, which ye have not received,
or ANOTHER GOSPEL, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with
him.

--Apostle paul


Donna Kupp meets all 3 criteria
vince garcia
2012-05-24 23:03:58 UTC
Permalink
‎~ Counterfeit Christianity and Human Secularism allow each person to
have their personal truth.
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, LET HIM BE ACCURSED.

--Apostle paul
There is no record of the co-equal, co-eternal, three-in-one God
being taught by a single one of the early church fathers. It
was not a part of Christian teaching until it was formulated by the
Second Ecumenical Council at Constantinople in 381.A.D.
--Donna Kupp


NO RECORD BY A "SINGLE ONE" OF THE CHURCH FATHERS???


We will prove that we worship him reasonably; for we have learned that
he is the Son of the true God himself, that he holds a second place, and
the Spirit of prophecy a third. For this they accuse us of madness,
saying that we attribute to a crucified man a place second to the
unchangeable and eternal God, the Creator of all things; but they are
ignorant of the mystery which lies therein.

CHURCH FATHER Justin Martyr around 160 AD


For the Church, although dispersed throughout the whole world even to
the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and from their
disciples the faith in one God, the Father Almighty . . . and in one
Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who became flesh for our salvation; and in
the Holy Spirit

CHURCH FATHER Irenaeus, before 200 AD

And at the same time the mystery of the oikonomia is safeguarded, for
the unity is distributed in a TRINITY. Placed in order, the three are
the Father, Son, and Spirit. They are three, however, not in condition,
but in degree; not in being, but in form; not in power, but in kind; of
one being, however, and one condition and one power, because he is one
God of whom degrees and forms and kinds are taken into account in the
name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit"

CHURCH FATHER Tertullian "Against Praxeas" early 200s AD

The Father's Word, therefore, knowing the economy and the will of the
Father, to wit, that the Father seeks to be worshipped in none other way
than this, gave this charge to the disciples after he rose from the
dead: "Go ye and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the
Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." (Matt 28:19) And by this
he showed that whosoever omitted any one of these, failed in glorifying
God perfectly. For it is through THE TRINITY that the Father is
glorified. For the Father willed, the Son did and the Spirit manifested.

CHURCH FATHER Hippolytus of Rome 220 AD

There is one God.... There is a perfect Trinity, in glory and eternity
and sovereignty, neither divided nor estranged. Wherefore there is
nothing either created or in servitude in the Trinity; nor anything
super-induced, as if at some former period it was non-existent, and at
some later period it was introduced. And thus neither was the Son ever
wanting to the Father, nor the Spirit to the Son; but without variation
and without change, the same Trinity abides ever.

CHURCH FATHER Gregory Thaumaturgus 265 AD


For Scripture as much announces Christ AS ALSO GOD, as it announces God
himself as man. It has as much described Jesus Christ to be man, as
moreover it has also described Christ the Lord to be God. Because it
does not set forth him to be the Son of God only, but also the son of
man; nor does it only say, the son of man, but it has also been
accustomed to speak of him as the Son of God. So that being of both, he
is both, lest if he should be one only, he could not be the other. For
as nature itself has prescribed that he must be believed to be a man who
is of man, so the same nature prescribes also that he must be believed
to be God who is of God. . . . Let them, therefore, who read that Jesus
Christ the son of man is man, read also that this same Jesus is called
also God and the Son of God"

Novatian, Treatise on the Trinity 11 235 AD

And now the capstone to Kupp's historial and TEXTUAL illiteracy:

The Lord says: 'I and the Father are one.' And again of the Father and
Son and the Holy Spirit it is written: 'And these three are one'.
Cyprian --Treatise 1 on the unity of the Catholic Church, chapter 6,
early 3rd century, PROVING THE LEGITIMACY OF THE COMMA JOHANNEUM KUPP
(and other historical illiterates) SAY IS A FRAUD.


The purpose of this post is to show the actual truth about how ignorant
and unlearned Donna Kupp actually is, despite trying to pretend she is
some sort of legitimate historian on Chritianity.

Anyone who make THIS sort of claim...
There is no record of the co-equal, co-eternal, three-in-one God
being taught by a single one of the early church fathers. It
was not a part of Christian teaching until it was formulated by the
Second Ecumenical Council at Constantinople in 381.A.D.
...Has no business even giving an opinion on Christian history, let
alone teaching the Bible.

As wrong as she is about THIS, is as wrong as she is on every point of
theology she holds

As is always the case with heretics and cultists, the god of these
people must rely on his representatives speaking lie after lie in an
attemopt to deceive the sheep into following the false teacher and false
god behind the teacher.


But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his
subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is
in Christ.
For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not
preached, or if ye receive ANOTHER SPIRIT, which ye have not received,
or ANOTHER GOSPEL, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with
him.

--Apostle paul


Donna Kupp meets all 3 criteria
vince garcia
2012-05-24 23:05:24 UTC
Permalink
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, LET HIM BE ACCURSED.

--Apostle paul



John 1:1
Donna Kupp translation
"In the beginning was Jesus
and Jesus was with THE RULER,
and Jesus was Ruler.
_______________________________________________________________________


John 1:1 CJB
Complete Jewish Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 ESV
English Standard Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 HNV
Hebrew Names Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 KJV
King James Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 ASV
American Standard Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 BBE
Bible in Basic English
From the first he was the Word, and the Word was in relation with God
and was God.


John 1:1 CEB
Common English Bible
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was
God.


John 1:1 RHE
Douay-Rheims
In the beginning was the Word: and the Word was with God: and the Word
was God.

John 1:1 GW
GOD'S WORD Translation
In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and
the Word was God.

John 1:1 GNT
Good News Translation
In the beginning the Word already existed; the Word was with God, and
the Word was God.


John 1:1 CSB
Holman Christian Standard
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 LEB
Lexham English Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.

New American Standard
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 NCV
New Century Version
In the beginning there was the Word. The Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 NIRV
New International Reader's Version
In the beginning, the Word was already there. The Word was with God, and
the Word was God.


John 1:1 NIV
New International Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 NKJV
New King James Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 NLT
New Living Translation
In the beginning the Word already existed. He was with God, and he was
God.


John 1:1 NRS
New Revised Standard
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.

John 1:1 NWT
New World Translation (Jehovah's Witnesses)
1 In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the
Word was a god.

John 1:1 RSV
Revised Standard Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.

John 1:1 DT
The Darby Translation
In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 MSG
The Message
The Word was first, the Word present to God, God present to the Word.
The Word was God,


John 1:1 WBT
The Webster Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 TMB
Third Millennium Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 TNIV
Today's New International Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 WNT
Weymouth New Testament
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 WEB
World English Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 WYC
Wycliffe
In the beginning was the word, and the word was at God, and God was the
word. [In the beginning was the word, that is, God's Son, and the word
was at God, and God was the word.]


John 1:1 YLT
Young's Literal Translation
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God;




Well...this post shows an example of what Donna and Harold Kupp find it
necessary to do in order to promote THEIR version of Christ and the
Gospel: Rewrite one of the most important verses of scripture, and
pervert it into a ridiculous statement of BS ...for certainly every
Bible that dares render the greek (correctly) as "The word was God" MUST
be wrong.

Apparently, only Harold and Donna Kupp know how to translate scripture
correctly.

Perhaps they claim the anointing and authority of Joseph Smith as well?

As wrong as they are on their 'translation' here is as wrong as they are
on EVERY POINT OF DOCTRINE THEY HAVE.


But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his
subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is
in Christ.
For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not
preached, or if ye receive ANOTHER SPIRIT, which ye have not received,
or ANOTHER GOSPEL, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with
him.

--Apostle paul


Donna Kupp meets all 3 criteria
Donna Kupp
2012-05-25 19:02:44 UTC
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EXTRA! EXTRA! READ ALL ABOUT IT!

Why listen to rumors? We invite you to our free journal, website and
moderated forum:

Forum:

http://groups.google.com/group/Freetruth?hl=en,

Journal:

http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/show.php?i=630302&cat=0

Website:

The Seven Deadly Deceptions Of Counterfeit Christianity
http://www.freetruth.info
vince garcia
2012-05-25 19:10:05 UTC
Permalink
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, LET HIM BE ACCURSED.

--Apostle paul



John 1:1 DKV
Donna Kupp version
"In the beginning was Jesus
and Jesus was with THE RULER,
and Jesus was Ruler.
vs

Everyone else's translations...
_______________________________________________________________________


John 1:1 CJB
Complete Jewish Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 ESV
English Standard Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 HNV
Hebrew Names Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 KJV
King James Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 ASV
American Standard Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 BBE
Bible in Basic English
From the first he was the Word, and the Word was in relation with God
and was God.


John 1:1 CEB
Common English Bible
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was
God.


John 1:1 RHE
Douay-Rheims
In the beginning was the Word: and the Word was with God: and the Word
was God.

John 1:1 GW
GOD'S WORD Translation
In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and
the Word was God.

John 1:1 GNT
Good News Translation
In the beginning the Word already existed; the Word was with God, and
the Word was God.


John 1:1 CSB
Holman Christian Standard
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 LEB
Lexham English Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.

New American Standard
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 NCV
New Century Version
In the beginning there was the Word. The Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 NIRV
New International Reader's Version
In the beginning, the Word was already there. The Word was with God, and
the Word was God.


John 1:1 NIV
New International Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 NKJV
New King James Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 NLT
New Living Translation
In the beginning the Word already existed. He was with God, and he was
God.


John 1:1 NRS
New Revised Standard
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.

John 1:1 NWT
New World Translation (Jehovah's Witnesses)
1 In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the
Word was a god.

John 1:1 RSV
Revised Standard Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.

John 1:1 DT
The Darby Translation
In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 MSG
The Message
The Word was first, the Word present to God, God present to the Word.
The Word was God,


John 1:1 WBT
The Webster Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 TMB
Third Millennium Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 TNIV
Today's New International Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 WNT
Weymouth New Testament
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 WEB
World English Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 WYC
Wycliffe
In the beginning was the word, and the word was at God, and God was the
word. [In the beginning was the word, that is, God's Son, and the word
was at God, and God was the word.]


John 1:1 YLT
Young's Literal Translation
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God;




Well...this post shows an example of what Donna and Harold Kupp find it
necessary to do in order to promote THEIR version of Christ and the
Gospel: Rewrite one of the most important verses of scripture, and
pervert it into a ridiculous statement of BS ...for certainly every
Bible that dares render the greek (correctly) as "The word was God" MUST
be wrong.

Apparently, only Harold and Donna Kupp know how to translate scripture
correctly.

Perhaps they claim the anointing and authority of Joseph Smith as well?

As wrong as they are on their 'translation' here is as wrong as they are
on EVERY POINT OF DOCTRINE THEY HAVE.


But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his
subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is
in Christ.
For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not
preached, or if ye receive ANOTHER SPIRIT, which ye have not received,
or ANOTHER GOSPEL, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with
him.

--Apostle paul


Donna Kupp meets all 3 criteria
vince garcia
2012-05-25 19:12:14 UTC
Permalink
‎~ Counterfeit Christianity and Human Secularism allow each person to
have their personal truth.
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, LET HIM BE ACCURSED.

--Apostle paul
There is no record of the co-equal, co-eternal, three-in-one God
being taught by a single one of the early church fathers. It
was not a part of Christian teaching until it was formulated by the
Second Ecumenical Council at Constantinople in 381.A.D.
--Donna Kupp


NO RECORD BY A "SINGLE ONE" OF THE CHURCH FATHERS???


We will prove that we worship him reasonably; for we have learned that
he is the Son of the true God himself, that he holds a second place, and
the Spirit of prophecy a third. For this they accuse us of madness,
saying that we attribute to a crucified man a place second to the
unchangeable and eternal God, the Creator of all things; but they are
ignorant of the mystery which lies therein.

CHURCH FATHER Justin Martyr around 160 AD


For the Church, although dispersed throughout the whole world even to
the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and from their
disciples the faith in one God, the Father Almighty . . . and in one
Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who became flesh for our salvation; and in
the Holy Spirit

CHURCH FATHER Irenaeus, before 200 AD

And at the same time the mystery of the oikonomia is safeguarded, for
the unity is distributed in a TRINITY. Placed in order, the three are
the Father, Son, and Spirit. They are three, however, not in condition,
but in degree; not in being, but in form; not in power, but in kind; of
one being, however, and one condition and one power, because he is one
God of whom degrees and forms and kinds are taken into account in the
name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit"

CHURCH FATHER Tertullian "Against Praxeas" early 200s AD

The Father's Word, therefore, knowing the economy and the will of the
Father, to wit, that the Father seeks to be worshipped in none other way
than this, gave this charge to the disciples after he rose from the
dead: "Go ye and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the
Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." (Matt 28:19) And by this
he showed that whosoever omitted any one of these, failed in glorifying
God perfectly. For it is through THE TRINITY that the Father is
glorified. For the Father willed, the Son did and the Spirit manifested.

CHURCH FATHER Hippolytus of Rome 220 AD

There is one God.... There is a perfect Trinity, in glory and eternity
and sovereignty, neither divided nor estranged. Wherefore there is
nothing either created or in servitude in the Trinity; nor anything
super-induced, as if at some former period it was non-existent, and at
some later period it was introduced. And thus neither was the Son ever
wanting to the Father, nor the Spirit to the Son; but without variation
and without change, the same Trinity abides ever.

CHURCH FATHER Gregory Thaumaturgus 265 AD


For Scripture as much announces Christ AS ALSO GOD, as it announces God
himself as man. It has as much described Jesus Christ to be man, as
moreover it has also described Christ the Lord to be God. Because it
does not set forth him to be the Son of God only, but also the son of
man; nor does it only say, the son of man, but it has also been
accustomed to speak of him as the Son of God. So that being of both, he
is both, lest if he should be one only, he could not be the other. For
as nature itself has prescribed that he must be believed to be a man who
is of man, so the same nature prescribes also that he must be believed
to be God who is of God. . . . Let them, therefore, who read that Jesus
Christ the son of man is man, read also that this same Jesus is called
also God and the Son of God"

Novatian, Treatise on the Trinity 11 235 AD

And now the capstone to Kupp's historial and TEXTUAL illiteracy:

The Lord says: 'I and the Father are one.' And again of the Father and
Son and the Holy Spirit it is written: 'And these three are one'.
Cyprian --Treatise 1 on the unity of the Catholic Church, chapter 6,
early 3rd century, PROVING THE LEGITIMACY OF THE COMMA JOHANNEUM KUPP
(and other historical illiterates) SAY IS A FRAUD.


The purpose of this post is to show the actual truth about how ignorant
and unlearned Donna Kupp actually is, despite trying to pretend she is
some sort of legitimate historian on Chritianity.

Anyone who make THIS sort of claim...
There is no record of the co-equal, co-eternal, three-in-one God
being taught by a single one of the early church fathers. It
was not a part of Christian teaching until it was formulated by the
Second Ecumenical Council at Constantinople in 381.A.D.
...Has no business even giving an opinion on Christian history, let
alone teaching the Bible.

As wrong as she is about THIS, is as wrong as she is on every point of
theology she holds

As is always the case with heretics and cultists, the god of these
people must rely on his representatives speaking lie after lie in an
attemopt to deceive the sheep into following the false teacher and false
god behind the teacher.


But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his
subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is
in Christ.
For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not
preached, or if ye receive ANOTHER SPIRIT, which ye have not received,
or ANOTHER GOSPEL, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with
him.

--Apostle paul


Donna Kupp meets all 3 criteria
duke
2012-05-26 16:31:10 UTC
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Post by vince garcia
‎~ Counterfeit Christianity and Human Secularism allow each person to
have their personal truth.
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, LET HIM BE ACCURSED.
--Apostle paul
There is no record of the co-equal, co-eternal, three-in-one God
being taught by a single one of the early church fathers. It
was not a part of Christian teaching until it was formulated by the
Second Ecumenical Council at Constantinople in 381.A.D.
--Donna Kupp
NO RECORD BY A "SINGLE ONE" OF THE CHURCH FATHERS???
Wow, she actually believes that contrary to what Jesus revealed in the 4
gospels!! And in such good English, to boot.



duke - American American

*****
2012 - end of an error
Vote Republican in 2012
*****
vince garcia
2012-05-26 18:34:49 UTC
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Post by duke
Post by vince garcia
‎~ Counterfeit Christianity and Human Secularism allow each person to
have their personal truth.
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, LET HIM BE ACCURSED.
--Apostle paul
There is no record of the co-equal, co-eternal, three-in-one God
being taught by a single one of the early church fathers. It
was not a part of Christian teaching until it was formulated by the
Second Ecumenical Council at Constantinople in 381.A.D.
--Donna Kupp
NO RECORD BY A "SINGLE ONE" OF THE CHURCH FATHERS???
Wow, she actually believes that contrary to what Jesus revealed in the 4
gospels!! And in such good English, to boot.
duke - American American
*****
2012 - end of an error
Vote Republican in 2012
*****
As I have repeatedly said, satan's false teachers must repeatedly tell
LIES (bear false witness, violating one of the 10 comamndments) to
promote their doctrine because the TRUTH brings them down every time.

The sad thing is, many people are not well read enough to know that
Post by duke
There is no record of the co-equal, co-eternal, three-in-one God
being taught by a single one of the early church fathers. It
was not a part of Christian teaching until it was formulated by the
Second Ecumenical Council at Constantinople in 381.A.D.
Jesus did not teach the Trinity, the apostles did not teach it, and it
was not taught by church leaders for three hundred years after the
death of Christ.
...are born out of unforgivable ignorance and historical illiteracy by
someone with no buisness even giving an opinion on the subject-- or else
as an intentional attempt to deceive

Take your pick
duke
2012-05-27 14:38:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by vince garcia
Post by duke
Post by vince garcia
‎~ Counterfeit Christianity and Human Secularism allow each person to
have their personal truth.
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, LET HIM BE ACCURSED.
--Apostle paul
There is no record of the co-equal, co-eternal, three-in-one God
being taught by a single one of the early church fathers. It
was not a part of Christian teaching until it was formulated by the
Second Ecumenical Council at Constantinople in 381.A.D.
--Donna Kupp
NO RECORD BY A "SINGLE ONE" OF THE CHURCH FATHERS???
Wow, she actually believes that contrary to what Jesus revealed in the 4
gospels!! And in such good English, to boot.
As I have repeatedly said, satan's false teachers must repeatedly tell
LIES (bear false witness, violating one of the 10 comamndments) to
promote their doctrine because the TRUTH brings them down every time.
The sad thing is, many people are not well read enough to know that
Post by duke
There is no record of the co-equal, co-eternal, three-in-one God
being taught by a single one of the early church fathers. It
was not a part of Christian teaching until it was formulated by the
Second Ecumenical Council at Constantinople in 381.A.D.
Jesus did not teach the Trinity, the apostles did not teach it, and it
was not taught by church leaders for three hundred years after the
death of Christ.
...are born out of unforgivable ignorance and historical illiteracy by
someone with no buisness even giving an opinion on the subject-- or else
as an intentional attempt to deceive
Take your pick
I would believe she is struggling with full truth as revealed in the bible.

duke - American American

*****
2012 - end of an error
Vote Republican in 2012
*****
vince garcia
2012-05-27 15:57:58 UTC
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Post by duke
Post by vince garcia
Post by duke
Post by vince garcia
‎~ Counterfeit Christianity and Human Secularism allow each person to
have their personal truth.
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, LET HIM BE ACCURSED.
--Apostle paul
There is no record of the co-equal, co-eternal, three-in-one God
being taught by a single one of the early church fathers. It
was not a part of Christian teaching until it was formulated by the
Second Ecumenical Council at Constantinople in 381.A.D.
--Donna Kupp
NO RECORD BY A "SINGLE ONE" OF THE CHURCH FATHERS???
Wow, she actually believes that contrary to what Jesus revealed in the 4
gospels!! And in such good English, to boot.
As I have repeatedly said, satan's false teachers must repeatedly tell
LIES (bear false witness, violating one of the 10 comamndments) to
promote their doctrine because the TRUTH brings them down every time.
The sad thing is, many people are not well read enough to know that
Post by duke
There is no record of the co-equal, co-eternal, three-in-one God
being taught by a single one of the early church fathers. It
was not a part of Christian teaching until it was formulated by the
Second Ecumenical Council at Constantinople in 381.A.D.
Jesus did not teach the Trinity, the apostles did not teach it, and it
was not taught by church leaders for three hundred years after the
death of Christ.
...are born out of unforgivable ignorance and historical illiteracy by
someone with no buisness even giving an opinion on the subject-- or else
as an intentional attempt to deceive
Take your pick
I would believe she is struggling with full truth as revealed in the bible.
duke - American American
I belive she is NOT struggling, but simplky giving into full blown
heresy.

FYI: Want some reading material?

Here are Donna Kupp's views on the catholic church:

Prayers to the apostles, saints and Mary are an abomination!
http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/1789862/prayers-to-the-apostles-saints-and-mary-are-an-abomination

The legion of mary
http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/1140570/the-legion-of-mary
dolf
2012-05-27 20:43:07 UTC
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We seem to have Catholic dogs like vince garcia and duke managing
conversations for years so as to prevent the fostering of any viable
alternative (as degree of belief) to Catholic dogma as their disbelief
in blasphemy which is the lack any real and tangible Christian identity
as unbelief.
Post by vince garcia
I belive she is NOT struggling, but simplky giving into full blown
heresy.
FYI: Want some reading material?
Prayers to the apostles, saints and Mary are an abomination!
http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/1789862/prayers-to-the-apostles-saints-and-mary-are-an-abomination
The legion of mary
http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/1140570/the-legion-of-mary
It would seem that we are being subject to a systematic campaign of
fascist based religious, racial and sexual prejudices by Uergil and his
supposed atheist mates.

"We have Jesus on the cross
Your cold love put him there.
What is now your human loss?
Forever gone and despair."

What gives BroilJAB (***@wmconnect.com) away is his unusual
capacity as a claimed atheist, to call the Pontiff holy when he is in
fact perverse.

It would appear that once again, we have mongrel catholic dogs engaged
in public campaigns of disinformation and vilification of the truth,
which diminishes our human rights.

dolf: “Wasn’t the Pope recently asked on: ‘Creationists need [for a]
Catholic vision’?”



BroilJAB (***@wmconnect.com): “Lets hope the Holy Pontiff
sets many creationists back on the right path.”



Vurgil or Uirgit? (***@arg.erg / ***@uirgil.ur): “It would be a
great improvement.”



dolf: “He knows Greedy!”



BroilJAB (***@wmconnect.com): “From what I understand.”



Vurgil or Uirgit? (***@arg.erg / ***@uirgil.ur): “Which is nothing!”



dolf: “Is it painful? 

Very soon being Roman Catholic will be prima
facie proof of guilt in claims of crimes against the dignity of the
'Sovereign Autonomy' made under the Commonwealth of Australia.”



#20 / ***@zen: 5, row: 3, col: 3, nous: 7 [Super: #397 / #46 -
Guiding Contentment, Moderation of Desire; I-Ching: H1 - Creative
Principle/Heaven; Tetra: 37 - Purity, Ego: #403 / #7 - Intentional
Reversal, Dimming Radiance; I-Ching: H12 - Stagnation; Tetra: 56 -
Closed Mouth] {Transforming Nature {DOUBLE: Form of Nature {Autonomous
Nature}}}

In relation to this notion of The Decade is the meaning of Yom Kippur as
a ritual of nullification held over a 10 day period commencing a new
Moon on 18 September 2001 (as my particular interest for synchronising
the centre of the Grapple Temporal / Noumenal Reality for a 5 day period
being #41 on 13 September 2001 as a centrifugal model comprising septet
#369 magic squares with the solar / lunar chronological cycle and
rational representation of PI / ENNEAD) and the Dead Sea Scroll
chronological principle which is a cosmological straight line--hence
transcendent--in having a starting point on the Equinox of Wednesday 20
March 1996 with a new Moon on Thursday 21 March for a base 7 Numbering
system intrinsic to the cosmogony as rational representation of PI.

In that for 3 x 364 days = 1092 days there was a lunar/solar comparison
of 3 x 354 lunar years + 30 days = 1092 days. There are in a cycle of 5
x 364 days + 182 days (as a 1/2 cycle) two fragments in the Dead Sea
Scroll relics related to the 1st day of the 7th solar month as occurring
on 12 September 2001 and the 21st priestly course starting on Sunday 16
September 2001 which fragment also brings together an association of the
solar and lunar cycles which appear to have been a readily observable
phenomenon.

In that this has according to the Dead Sea Scrolls, a reprise in a 294 x
364 day years as 6 Jubilees or 293 x 365.2423 days (just short of the
tropical years, but technologically better than the Julian calendar of
365.25 days instigated in 45 BCE and reformed in 1582 CE (1751 CE in
British Empire) by the Gregorian calendar reforms due to an
intercalation error resulting in a lost of synchronicity comprising a
magnitude loss of one day every 128 years. This forms the basis for
arguing a metaphysical and cosmological origin of language as 22
elements of the Hebrew letters which is otherwise shown geometrically as
an indestructible object (atom) in the association of the 10 as Decade
(as Greek and Ennead as Egyptian notions) and counts (number) and the 22
letters as 3 horizontal (Mother letters), 7 vertical lines (Double
letters) and 12 diagonal lines (Single letters):

Kabbalistic Tree of Life

ATZILUTH {1st as “World of Emanation” also known as Olam Atzilut, עולם
אצילות in Hebrew}

BRIYAH {2nd as “World of Creation” also known as Olam Briyah, עולם בריאה
in Hebrew}

YETZIRAH {3rd as “World of Formation” also known as Olam Yetsirah, עולם
יצירה in Hebrew}

ASSIYAH {4th as “World of Action” also known as Olam Asiyah, עולם עשיה
in Hebrew}

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This is Chaldean / Babylonian in Origins: Hebrew letters as described in
the “Sefer Yetzirah”

YETZIRAH as in “Making" is as opposed to BRIYAH as in "Creating"
Actually taking whatever matter that was created in the BRIYAH and
shaping it into the basic elements.

It is also possible to divide the number of days in 400 years in the
Gregorian calendar reforms as 146,097 days by 7 and that when made
divisible by 22 to obtain the remainder, and to arrange the Hebrew
letters in a pattern which has a remainder of #13 as being in the middle
of the Chinese 2 BCE published DAO TE CHING / I CHING division of the
year into 364.5 days and the Jewish Kabbalah equivalent which deployed a
magic square of #369 having a distinct mathematical property at centre
of #41 for the equivalent date of 13 September.

#0 MOD 22 = 22 [#TAU / #400] as 4000 BCE
#400 MOD 22 = 17 [#PE / #80]
#800 MOD 22 = 12 [#LAMED / #30]
#1200 MOD 22 = 7 [#ZAYIN / #7]
#1600 MOD 22 = 2 [#BETH / #2]
#2000 MOD 22 = 19 [#QOPH / #100]
#2400 MOD 22 = 14 [#NUN / #50]
#2800 MOD 22 = 9 [#TETH / #9]
#3200 MOD 22 = 4 [#DALETH / #4]
#3600 MOD 22 = 21 [#SHIN / #300]
#4000 MOD 22 = 16 [#'AYIN / #70] = #0 CE as HETEROS (MALE/FEMALE
MARRIAGE -- WHAT IS SIN & WICKEDNESS?) autonomic transformative
prototype and symbolic associator to the series #15 CE, #34 CE, #65 CE,
#111 CE, #175 CE, #260 CE, #369 CE ... #2000 Y2K
#4400 MOD 22 = 11 [#KAF / #20] = #400 CE
#4800 MOD 22 = 6 [#VAV / #6] = #800 CE
#5200 MOD 22 = 1 [#ALEPH / #1] = #1200 CE
#5600 MOD 22 = 18 [#TSADE / #90] = #1600 CE
#6000 MOD 22 = 13 [#MEM / #40] = #2000 Y2K / Equinox of DATE(1996,3,20)
+ (5 * 364) + 182 days = Wednesday DATE(2001,9,12) with Equinox of
Saturday DATE(2001,9,23) commencing the Sabbath year of 'oth cycle

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#6400 MOD 22 = 8 [#CHET / #8]
#6800 MOD 22 = 3 [#GIMEL / #3]
#7200 MOD 22 = 20 [#RESH / #200]
#7600 MOD 22 = 15 [#SAMEK / #60]
#8000 MOD 22 = 10 [#YOD / #10]
#8400 MOD 22 = 5 [#HE / #5]
#8800 MOD 22 = 22 [#TAU / #400] as 8800 CE

In many instances, the Torah also uses words and phrases in ways that
cannot be understood in their literal sense. There are a number of very
obvious examples of this in the narrative of the Creation, for the
metaphysical events that took place at that time were far removed from
the natural order of the world we know today. They could not have been
accurately described in ways that we can understand, nor in language
that we can relate to. For example, the Torah tells us how God brought
the world into being through speech, when in fact He created the world
through a form of thought. When the Torah describes God's thought
process as speech, it makes it easier for us to grasp the idea on our
own level. [Copyright © 2001 by Rabbi Daniel Travis and www.Torah.org]

dolf: “Fascist Dogs BroilJAB & Uergil discuss their creation denial!”

BroilJAB (***@wmconnect.com): “The deviant creationists twist
and turn, twist the words of the faithful.

Sad it is to see them like this.”

Uergil (***@uer.net): “If there is any damnation, it is the nation
creationists inhabit.”

dolf: “Vurgil or Uirgit? (***@arg.erg / ***@uirgil.ur)

Or is it now Uergil?

Creationist denial has its roots in German political theatre.

Numerological and mystic speculation was especially rife amongst German
Romantics and Naturphilosophien during the nineteenth century and grew
out of ancient teleological speculations concerning the harmonious
distribution of the heavenly bodies. Such speculation was by no means
confined to the celestial motions; in 1818 the Kantian mineralogist
Christian Weiss even argues for a link between aspects of
rhombic-dodecahedral crystal structure and the musical scale of tones!
However, such flights of imaginative fancy generally had little impact
upon the work of serious scientists; with one notable exception.

In 1766 Johann Daniel Titius von Wittenberg was preparing a German
translation of Charles Bonnet’s Contemplation de la Nature. To the
section on planetary motions he added a now famous footnote pointing out
that the radii of all the planetary orbits can be generated by the
following simple algorithm, where r is measured in astronomical units (1
AU = 1.496 x 1013 cm):


rn = 0.4 + 0.3 x 2n; n = 0,1,2…


This formula provided a striking approximation for the distance from the
Sun to the six then-known planets: Mercury {Measured: 0.39, Predicted:
0.4}, Venus {Measured: 0.72, Predicted: 0.7}, Earth {Measured: 1.00,
Predicted: 1.0}, Mars {Measured: 1.52, Predicted: 1.6}, Jupiter
{Measured: 5.20, Predicted: 5.2}, Saturn {Measured: 9.55, Predicted:
10.0}. Their measured distances from the Sun at the time of the Law’s
inception are indicated together with Titius’ predictions. [Rediscovery
of the Anthropic Principle, John Barrow & Frank Tipler, The Anthropic
Cosmological Principle, © 1996, p 221]

There is no more opportunity for repentance--and neither for forgiveness.

To hell with you!”

#21 / ***@zen: 5, row: 3, col: 7, nous: 67 [Super: #313 / #24 -
Important Distinctions, Trouble from Indulgence; I-Ching: H5 - Delay;
Tetra: 18 - Waiting, Ego: #462 / #67 - Three Treasures; I-Ching: H10 -
Tread Carefully; Tetra: 48 - Ritual] {Autonomous Nature {MOTHER: Scales
of Liability}}
vince garcia
2012-05-27 22:22:30 UTC
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As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, LET HIM BE ACCURSED.

--Apostle paul



John 1:1 DKV
Donna Kupp version
"In the beginning was Jesus
and Jesus was with THE RULER,
and Jesus was Ruler.
vs

Everyone else's translations...
_______________________________________________________________________


John 1:1 CJB
Complete Jewish Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 ESV
English Standard Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 HNV
Hebrew Names Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 KJV
King James Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 ASV
American Standard Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 BBE
Bible in Basic English
From the first he was the Word, and the Word was in relation with God
and was God.


John 1:1 CEB
Common English Bible
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was
God.


John 1:1 RHE
Douay-Rheims
In the beginning was the Word: and the Word was with God: and the Word
was God.

John 1:1 GW
GOD'S WORD Translation
In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and
the Word was God.

John 1:1 GNT
Good News Translation
In the beginning the Word already existed; the Word was with God, and
the Word was God.


John 1:1 CSB
Holman Christian Standard
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 LEB
Lexham English Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.

New American Standard
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 NCV
New Century Version
In the beginning there was the Word. The Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 NIRV
New International Reader's Version
In the beginning, the Word was already there. The Word was with God, and
the Word was God.


John 1:1 NIV
New International Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 NKJV
New King James Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 NLT
New Living Translation
In the beginning the Word already existed. He was with God, and he was
God.


John 1:1 NRS
New Revised Standard
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.

John 1:1 NWT
New World Translation (Jehovah's Witnesses)
1 In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the
Word was a god.

John 1:1 RSV
Revised Standard Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.

John 1:1 DT
The Darby Translation
In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 MSG
The Message
The Word was first, the Word present to God, God present to the Word.
The Word was God,


John 1:1 WBT
The Webster Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 TMB
Third Millennium Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 TNIV
Today's New International Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 WNT
Weymouth New Testament
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 WEB
World English Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 WYC
Wycliffe
In the beginning was the word, and the word was at God, and God was the
word. [In the beginning was the word, that is, God's Son, and the word
was at God, and God was the word.]


John 1:1 YLT
Young's Literal Translation
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God;




Well...this post shows an example of what Donna and Harold Kupp find it
necessary to do in order to promote THEIR version of Christ and the
Gospel: Rewrite one of the most important verses of scripture, and
pervert it into a ridiculous statement of BS ...for certainly every
Bible that dares render the greek (correctly) as "The word was God" MUST
be wrong.

Apparently, only Harold and Donna Kupp know how to translate scripture
correctly.

Perhaps they claim the anointing and authority of Joseph Smith as well?

As wrong as they are on their 'translation' here is as wrong as they are
on EVERY POINT OF DOCTRINE THEY HAVE.


But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his
subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is
in Christ.
For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not
preached, or if ye receive ANOTHER SPIRIT, which ye have not received,
or ANOTHER GOSPEL, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with
him.

--Apostle paul


Donna Kupp meets all 3 criteria
dolf
2012-05-28 20:49:06 UTC
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Vince Garcia, your repetition is defeatist...

Know that we rejoice in our victory over your wickedness and that you
are destined to hell--the second death greedily awaits for you!
vince garcia
2012-05-28 22:58:56 UTC
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As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

--Apostle paul
A thousand may pray until their knees are bloody, but if they are not
keeping His Commandments, God says their prayer is an abomination to
Him. Yet the prayers of one one man who abides in Him can change the
"The effectual fervent prayer of a RIGHTEOUS man availeth much."
James 5:16 KJV
“Little children, let no one deceive you. He who DOES RIGHT is
RIGHTEOUS.” 1 John 3:7 RSV
Sounds good, doesn't it? SOUNDS like something a believer in Christ
might really say.

But what is the truth behind what Donna Kupp teaches and believes?

How can we know if this woman is of God or actually a false teacher when
she speaks?

Paul gives us the answer:

2 cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve
through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the
simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not
preached, or if ye receive ANOTHER SPIRIT, which ye have not received,
or ANOTHER GOSPEL, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with
him.

2 cor 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming
themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of
light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed
as the MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS; whose end shall be according to their
works.

Donna Kupp, for those who do not know, is a woman preaching a false
gospel with a false Christ that denies virtually every possible
essential of the Christian faith.

Note here paul's words about false teachers: they will actually be
"MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS"!!!!! Not antinomians, teaching lawlessness
and freedom to sin, but MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, teaching an
apparently good-sounding Gospel that is actually ANOTHER GOSPEL about
ANOTHER JESUS!

Let us test Donna Kupp's own words against the doctrines of
the New Testament and the Christian church, and see if we can determine
whether she is a servant of God, or actually a minister of Satan!

1. First, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach "ANOTHER
JESUS."

Is Donna Kupp's Jesus YOUR Jesus? Is her Jesus the Jesus of
Scripture?

While Donna Kupp just made a number of statements sound like something a
real Christian might make, we cannot make a judgment whether she is or
is not a true Christian based only on what she just posted here. We must
determine if she really teaches the same Jesus REAL Christians follow by
looking at statements she, herself, has made about Christ in the past,
that she may not throw out on a regular basis, because she knows it
reveals what she REALLY thinks about Christ.

So what does she actually say about the Jesus she follows, and
supposedly places faith in?

This...
"In the beginning was Jesus
and Jesus was with THE RULER,
and Jesus was Ruler.
The same was in the beginning with THE RULER."
John was teaching that Jesus was our Ruler (our theos) and that
Jesus was with the Father from the very beginning of creation.
(Not that Jesus was one third of some mysterious and mind-
boggling "Trinity" that no one had ever heard of.)
We can stop right there. Donna Kupp, denying the deity of Christ,
rewrites the Gospel of John in a manner that affirms that denial, so we
can either change all our Bibles to her new trenslation that "proves"
Jesus is NOT fully God, but some other sort of created lesser being, or
we can allow the sacred words of the apostle John to stand AS WRITTEN!

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the WORD
WAS GOD.

So we see her Jesus is ANOTHER JESUS that orthodox Protestants and
Evangelicals (and Catholics) DO NOT believe in.

For US, Jesus is God in flesh, fully God and fully man, and 2nd Person
of the Trinity she goes on to mock and deny.


2. Next, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach or operate under
a "DIFFERENT SPIRIT".

Does Donna Kupp teach and receive anoining by the same Holy Spirit that
REAL Christians follow?

Judge for yourself by her own words.
The concept that the Holy Spirit is God is based on a single verse in
Acts (5:3) where it says that Ananias lied to the Holy Spirit - and
later it says that he lied to God.
To conclude that the Holy Spirit is God on the basis of those verses is
merely an interpretation which adds to what is actually written. Since
the Spirit is the means of communciation between God and man, if you
lie to the Spirit you are in effect lying to God. Are there any verses
which actually say that the Holy Spirit is God?
Not one!
Jesus did not teach the Trinity, the apostles did not teach it, and it
was not taught by church leaders for three hundred years after the
death of Christ.
All REAL Christians believe not only in the deity of Christ, but also
the Godhood of the Holy Spirit. As we see from her own words, Donna
Kupp denies those two essentials of the faith, and proclaims the Holy
Spirit is only some nebulous "means of communication between God and
man"

So now we see she has fulfilled the SECOND warning of Paul--she has
A DIFFERENT SPIRIT than REAL Christians do.

By the way, her LIES about the history of the Trinity are instantly
refutable:

The deity of Christ was EXPLICITLY taught by Ignatius in the early 2nd
century

"To the Church at Ephesus in Asia . . . chosen through true suffering by
the will of the Father in Jesus Christ our God"
"FOR OUR GOD, Jesus Christ, was conceived by Mary in accord with God�s
plan: of the seed of David, it is true, but also of the Holy Spirit"

Letter to the Ephesians 1 110 AD
There is no record of the co-equal, co-eternal, three-in-one God
being taught by a single one of the early church fathers. It
was not a part of Christian teaching until it was formulated by the
Second Ecumenical Council at Constantinople in 381.A.D.
"No record"?


For the Church, although dispersed throughout the whole world even to
the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and from their
disciples the faith in one God, the Father Almighty . . . and in one
Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who became flesh for our salvation; and in
the Holy Spirit

Irenaeus, before 200 AD

And at the same time the mystery of the oikonomia is safeguarded, for
the unity is distributed in a TRINITY. Placed in order, the three are
the Father, Son, and Spirit. They are three, however, not in condition,
but in degree; not in being, but in form; not in power, but in kind; of
one being, however, and one condition and one power, because he is one
God of whom degrees and forms and kinds are taken into account in the
name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit"

Tertullian "Against Praxeas" early 200s AD

For Scripture as much announces Christ AS ALSO GOD, as it announces God
himself as man. It has as much described Jesus Christ to be man, as
moreover it has also described Christ the Lord to be God. Because it
does not set forth him to be the Son of God only, but also the son of
man; nor does it only say, the son of man, but it has also been
accustomed to speak of him as the Son of God. So that being of both, he
is both, lest if he should be one only, he could not be the other. For
as nature itself has prescribed that he must be believed to be a man who
is of man, so the same nature prescribes also that he must be believed
to be God who is of God. . . . Let them, therefore, who read that Jesus
Christ the son of man is man, read also that this same Jesus is called
also God and the Son of God"

Novatian, Treatise on the Trinity 11 235 AD

And now the capstone to Kupp's historial and TEXTUAL illiteracy:

The Lord says: 'I and the Father are one.' And again of the Father and
Son and the Holy Spirit it is written: 'And these three are one'.
Cyprian --Treatise 1 on the unity of the Catholic Church, chapter 6,
early 3rd century, PROVING THE LEGITIMACY OF THE COMMA JOHANNEUM KUPP
(and other historical illiterates) SAY IS A FRAUD.


3. The minister of Satan will also teach "ANOTHER GOSPEL."

Does Donna Kupp uphold the CHRISTIAN gospel? We've already seen she
denies and perverts the nature of Jesus Himself and the precious Holy
Spirit. But what is her actual gospel message? She talks about
obedience, and making Jesus Lord...but what does she really believe
about sin, justification, and sanctification? Does she ever lay out her
beliefs in clear language so the body of Christ can see and judge
whether she is or is not a fellow believer?

Yes!
To be saved is the first step in the process of salvation. Those who
are saved do not have eternal life -
Did you get that? THOSE WHO ARE SAVED ___DO NOT___HAVE ETERNAL LIFE!!!

LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

jn 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, HATH eternal life;
and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name
of the Son of God; that YE MAY KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that
ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of
yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
"If one who is born of God has truly repented of committing sin
(chosen to cease from sin) and then deliberately commits sin he has
despised the Holy Spirit, just as the OT the Israelites despised the
Law of God. It is blasphemy!"
"When we are converted all past sins are forgiven. After a person is
born-again, only sins of ignorance are forgiven. If a person sins
with knowledge and intent after that time, they have blasphemed
the Holy Spirit and there is no more sacrifice for sin. See Hebrews
6:1-8; Hebrews 10:26-31."
LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves
are ALSO FOUND SINNERS, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God
forbid.

Apparently, paul understood that even those justified in Christ STILL
SINNED!

Are we sure? Well, let's again test the doctrine of donna kupp by Paul's
own words, written in the last months of his life:

1 tim 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation,
that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I AM
CHIEF.

Wait a minute--I thought Donna said any Christian who willingly commits
even ONE SIN is eternally damned!

Apparently, paul did not realize this when he acknowledged he was the
WORST of sinners in 67 AD when he wrote this, 30+ years after finding
Christ! Thus, he must have been guilty of blaspheming the spirit
according to false teachers harold and donna kupp

What else did Paul have to say about whether Christians do or do not
commit sin in romans 7?

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing:
for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I
find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: BUT THE EVIL WHICH I WOULD NOT,
____THAT I DO___.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin
that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with
me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my
mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my
members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this
death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I
myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Does THAT sound like a man who has reached the state of sinless
perfection like Donna Kupp, who claims any sin she commits is 100%
accidental and unintentional??????

And this is her ultimate blasphemy regarding the blood of Christ...
Blood of Christ covers: 1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light,
as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the
blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. (Only sins
of ignorance)
Notice how donna kupp added the words "Only sins of ignorance" to
pervert John's words? Just as she did with the powerful passage in John
1:1, she rejects the message and inserts her own heretical words flat
out CONTRADICTING what was actually written! John says Christ's blood
cleanses us from ALL sin; Donna adds words to change it to all
UNINTENTIONAL sins, making the blood of Christ LIMITED in its ability to
atone for sin.

Kupp also has missed what Jesus said about how imperfect His followers
will always be:

Luke 4:4 And FORGIVE US OUR SINS; for we also forgive every one that is
indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from
evil.

Meanwhile, THIS is God's true message of salvation:

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become
the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

And while Donna Kupp blasphemes the gospel by claiming we keep--and
actually earn--our salvation through keeping the 10 commandments
perfectly, here is what the SCRIPTURE says about how we stay in right
standing security with God:

1 peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a
lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not
away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 WHO ARE KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD __THROUGH FAITH__ UNTO SALVATION
ready to be revealed in the last time.

So now we see her "gospel" IS NOT the gospel of the New testament. It is
a false gospel that...

A. Requires Bible verses to be rewritten in a heretical manner.
B. Requires adding a clarification to Scripture that TOTALLY overturns
what the Scripture actually SAYS.
C. Must deny the deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit.
D. Requires remaining in a state of salvation by keeping the 10
commandments PERFECTLY, or else the person is now damned without
possibility of repentance.
E. Blasphemes and limits the atoning power of Christ's blood to
"Only sins of ignorance."


4. As we noted, Paul says the MINISTER OF SATAN will actually appear to
be a MINISTER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS! That is what makes them so deceptive.
They are serpents in the guise of sheep, preaching righteous living and
'keeping God's holy law' while in their hearts is satan himself, drawing
people away from TRUE righteousness, to a perverted notion of it based
on keeping commandments!

Take a look at Donna Kupp's deceptive posts, including this one. Every
one touts the keeping of biblical commandments, threatens people with
damnation for failing to keep biblical commandments, and threatenes them
with damnation if anyone should ever--EVEN ONE TIME--willingly BREAK a
biblical commandment.

So Kupp APPEARS to be preaching the righteousness of 'keeping God's holy
commandments'...yet she does it in a way that is an UTTER PERVERSION of
the gospel of grace, and comes right from the mouth of satan speaking
good things, and making her LOOK like a minister of righetousness.

So, summing it up, Paul says that a minister of satan will...

Preach another Jesus...
Preach under another spirit...
Preach a different gospel...
While appearing to be a minister of righteousness while doing so!

I believe Donna Kupp meets ALL FOUR CRITERIA.

Based on the totality of her teachings, I see no conclusion other than
that the "Jesus" she follows is a demon spirit, and the "Yahweh" she
speaks for is actually SATAN.


I am dead to the law by the crucified body of Christ. Are you?
dolf
2012-05-29 06:47:32 UTC
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I can do what you can do, but I can do it better!

On 29/05/12 8:58 AM, vince garcia wrote:
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The foremost atheist Philosopher of our age, Alain de Botton, a Swiss
writer, philosopher, television presenter entrepreneur and atheist
recently launched his new book ‘Religion for Atheists’ and no atheists
are interested in talking about it, including all the ones who eagerly
embraced Dawkin's even more enthusiastic endorsement of atheist Gods he
claims ‘came into being’ (sic).

From his book launch he conceded: "A few years ago it struck me that
there is a resource that is a provider of Wisdom, and consolation, and
an ethical framework, and it's rather fascinating and has dominated the
mental landscape of human beings for thousands of years I'm thinking, of
course, of religion.”

The problem is according to Australia's most celebrated atheist Phillip
Adams, who in “The Atheist Delusion”, warns militant atheists against
misplaced arrogance and hubris.

It is Martin Heidegger (1889-1976) who was perhaps the greatest
philosopher of the 20th century and we are challenged to comprehend how
he could have been a life-long Nazi. [McCumber 1999:1] From his
inception in 1927 with his magnum opus: “Being and Time” he clearly
established himself as a foremost and important philosopher, but later
betrayed his philosophical contributions and finished up until his death
in 1976 as a contemptible apologist, first for Nazism and later for himself.

In fact I would go so far to say, that Richards Dawkins like Heidegger
has squandered his intellect on an evil consequence being the source of
the unaccountable vilification and hubris we are subject to as racial,
sexual and religious vilification.

And I hope he does us all a favour and not live to a ripe old age like
the fascist German.

"Did u pee on the Eternal Flame, yet again Dufus?" [Shane Dowling alias
Kangaroo Court Australia @ ***@gmail.com]

dolf: “Mr Peter Bowditch (Australian Skeptics) and fasgnadh (atheist
reformed evangelist) are presently dealing with the consequence of their
ANZAC defamation and denial…”

Peter Bowditch (Anomalous Atheist #2243) of the Australian Skeptics /
The Millennium Project [www.ratbags.com/rsoles]: “Dolt - please fuck off.”

Mr Peter Bowditch is as a person of British decent who is engaged in
racial, sexual and religious vilification of our Constitutional Rights.
And I am most adamant about eventually bringing that fascist cunt to his
knees in showing a proper respect.

Arguments from Ignorance are lame, and yours is a rather lame version of
an Argument from Ignorance. To wit: "A prominent atheist has not
explained this to my satisfaction so it must be a miracle."

Just like adding the notion of HYPONOMIC (under or subject to law) to
the consideration of COSMOLOGICAL ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE.

Didn't God tell Moses about the Sabbath (7th) day 3,500 years ago?

And didn't they observe a 293 (294 x 364 as base 7 numbering) year
calendar cycle from Wednesday 20 March?

From that we can argue the following:

1) Dawkins has no credibility and is morally bankrupt.

2) The Catholic Church can be reqarded as equally fascist because they
wanted the same crown and control of marriage as the basis for global
governance.

3) This Prime Ministerial (John Howard) statement is fascist: “marriage
means the union of a man and a woman to the exclusion of all others,
voluntarily entered into for life” occurred in August 2004 with the
passage of the Marriage Legislation Amendment Bill as an Act to amend
the Australian Commonwealth Marriage Act 1961 and Family Law Act 1975.

Thankfully I have never been defiled by being in the presence of our
Prime Minister John Howard in Briagolong whom I consider has pandered to
the desires and ambitions of the Roman Catholic Church and enemy against
the "Sovereign Autonomy" of the Commonwealth.

The fact that we have a SABBATH day as 7th day is substantiation of a
HYPONOMIC (subject or under law) and DISPENSATIONAL basis to the COSMOS
and Governance.

And tolerance of Islam is made on the basis that, long before the
emergence of any democratic sovereign and autonomous societies, they
1500 years ago had to contend with the evil of the Catholic Church.

dolf: “Is Richard Dawkins dead yet?”

That his work on “Being and Time”, for all its achievements, is no
innocent piece of philosophy. Although some have argued that it may not
have directly encouraged Nazism, it clearly leaves Heidegger open to
such an accusation. For in “Being and Time”, intelligibility is subject
to the world: I can understand nothing that is not within the horizons
of my world. Escape from this world is achievable not through critical
reason but only in a mute and mystified “resolve”. [McCumber 1999:3]

Yet for much of the Western world, the difficulty of Heidegger's thought
was for many years held to be almost insuperable in the medium of a
foreign language, especially English. That this opinion is no longer so
widely held can be seen both from the rapidly increasing number of
translations of Heidegger's works and from the interest of a growing
readership. There are signs moreover, that as a preeminent thinker of
our age, Heidegger may be of interest to many who do not claim to have a
wide knowledge of traditional metaphysics or whose concern with him may
not be primarily philosophical at all.

Such readers have a certain advantage in bringing an open mind to a new
problem, but they also have special difficulties in grappling with
Heidegger. [King 2001:xviii]

However as Gadamer (1976) suggests when the layman wonders what
philosophy really is, he has the idea that philosophising means
defining, and taking responsibility for the need to define, the concepts
in which all men think as homo[ios] sapien[tal]. Since as a rule we do
not see this happen, we have helped ourselves by means of a doctrine of
implicit definition.

In reality, however, such a “doctrine” is a mere verbalism as is the
neologism starting with the German word: Dasein--which is not another
name for ‘consciousness’, ’subject’, or ‘human being’. Heidegger
introduces a vocabulary that challenges the reader [Stambaugh
2010:xviii]. To say nothing of the Hebrew word: Dashen {(#4 - Daleth;
#300 - Shin; #50 - Nun = #354 / #390 as H1878) specifically to anoint;
figuratively to satisfy; denominatively (from H1880 ) to remove (fat)
ashes (of sacrifices):—accept, anoint, take away the (receive) ashes
(from), make (wax) fat}. For to call a definition implicit obviously
means one finally comes to notice, on the basis of a number of sentences
that someone has spoken. And he or she was thinking something
unambiguous by means of using a concept. In this respect, philosophers
are no different from other men, for other men too are in the habit of
thinking definite things and avoiding contradictions. The lay opinion
appealed to here is in fact dominated by the doctrine that universals or
general ideas are mere names without any corresponding reality as
nominalistic tradition of recent centuries, in considering linguistic
reproduction as a kind of application of signs. It is obvious that
artificial signs need an organisation and arrangement that excludes any
ambiguity. Thus the demand arises that the illusionary problems of
“metaphysics” must be unmasked by establishing the univocal use of
language. [Gadamer 1971:125-126]

In his scheme to refresh philosophy, Heidegger, like Hegel (1770-1831),
draws upon the earthy roots of his language and dialect. So a promising
way of achieving this refreshment would be the exercise of translating
“Being and Time” into the Anglo-Saxon language. Or perhaps into the
Welsh or Gaelic idioms. Or for that matter, into Hebrew with its
association to the earliest Semitic tongue and most probable origin of
language. [King 2001:xv]

How then did Heidegger's publication in 1927 of “Being and Time”, and in
1929 with his provocative book on Kant's “Critique of Pure Reason” in
his treatise on “Kant and the Problem of Metaphysics” or his 1939
lectures: “On the Essence of Language: The Metaphysics of Language and
Essencing of the Word” in relation to the German Lutheran theologian and
philosopher Johann Herder's 1772 treatise: “On the Origin of Language”,
lead to the German Reich policy on the genocidal annihilation and
nullification of Judaism as the absence of being? Herder (1744-1803) was
the progenitor of the volkgeist (“Spirit of the people”) conception and
had advanced a cultural superiority by the injunction: “Spew out the
ugly slime of the Seine. Speak German, O You German.” Yet whilst he
supported the French Revolution (1789–1799), his anti-authoritarianism,
anti-militarism, and borderless humanitarianism values would generally
have caused him to find the subsequent acts of political domination, war
and empire which make up the vast bulk of these “great” deeds and events
of history as not just morally unedifying, but morally repugnant.
[Stanford Encyclopaedia of Philosophy 2007]

Heidegger was struggling to distance his thought from the prevailing
neo-Kantian tendency in German philosophical circles of the time, and
this resulted in a highly original interpretation of Kant (1724-1804).
From the standpoint of the development of Heidegger’s own endeavour,
his book: “Kant and the Problem of Metaphysics” is of pivotal importance
because it takes up and extends a number of themes suggested in “Being
and Time”, in particular the problem of how Heidegger proposed to enact
his “destruction” of the metaphysical tradition and of what role his
reading of Kant would play in that project. It’s this problematic about
Kant’s Categories as it relates to Being in traditional metaphysics and
the phenomenon of time which accounts for what some have called the
“violence” of Heidegger’s interpretation as even he unequivocally
acknowledged in the preface to his 1950 edition. [Taft 1997:xii, xx]

Heidegger asks, “What is the human being?” If I speak, so therefore I
am. It is through and in the being, human language comes into being and
vice versa; in the coming into being of language the human being “is”
the human being. [Gregory 2004:87] How then was any one of Jewish
descent considered as less than human after the 7 November 1938
assassination of Ernst vom Rath, the third Secretary of the German
Embassy in Paris by his reputed 17yo homosexual companion, a German born
Polish Jew named Herschel Grynszpan. As the impetus for Kristallnacht
within days following and the beginning of the Final Solution as
Holocaust--Where was God? I do not desire to participate in the attitude
of silence as others have promulgated to this very time, and neither do
I consider subterfuge in the use of language as the only applicable and
acceptable answer to such questions: “Vous êtes sur un site francophone.
Yez la politesse et la correction de vous exprimer en français.”

This then relates to a little anecdote about my activities as timely
actions over the siege in Toulouse, France on 21-23 March 2012 in
relation to the earlier massacre of three paratroopers (ethnic and
muslim), school children and a Jewish Rabbi by an Islamic extremist.
Whilst enjoying a walk, I made some appraisals of the most probable
cause of the event before it was disclosed as public news. In that the 7
murders which occurred as terrorist activity were in part being
attributed to abuses as starvation of Palestinian children due to an
inability by the menfolk to pursue their livelihoods because of a
confiscation of their tools of trade at border crossings in Israel. And
as a consequence of my comments, as actions of goodwill and regard to
European friends, I found my words as ideas (unity of being, dignity and
discrimination by the State versus the animalistic behaviour of the
perpetrators) being uttered from the mouths of the French President
Nicolas Sarkozy and a Jewish Rabbi in Israel which were subsequently
reported on the news.

In querying the political motive of UNICEF workers in the street (Sale,
Victoria) that same day, I remarked that not even Kofi Annan would be
able to take the “King” of Syria (President Bashar al-Assad) out of my
hands--and indeed that is so today as Russia, China and America are all
indebted to my intellectual property associated to governance.

There was in response to my calculated statements as provocations made
towards the Republic of France (on alt.France) in their time of great
need, an attempt by some person (René Groumal) without any remorse or
apology, to falsely and slanderously characterise my public Internet
statements as being fascist or neo-nazi. I am categorically neither. The
source of my ideology as autonomic doctrines of unity, co-operation,
freedom and democracy are not derived from Adolf Hitler. But that my
prophet is Moses and therefore I am not anti-Semitic.

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Governance (religion), angels and time, set in stone: Angel Solar Watch
(replica) 1582 CE Chartres Cathedral, France
anthropo- (comb. form)
human; of a human being: anthropometry.
• relating to humankind: anthropology.
ORIGIN from Greek anthrōpos ‘human being.’

anthropic principle (noun)
the cosmological principle that theories of the universe are constrained
by the necessity to allow human existence
ORIGIN 1970s: anthropic from Greek anthrōpikos, from anthrōpos ‘human
being.’

In its ‘weak’ form the anthropic principle affirms that a universe in
which living observers cannot exist is inherently unobservable. ‘Strong’
forms take this line of reasoning further, seeking to explain features
of the universe as being so because they are necessary for human existence.


Emperor as Centre of the Universe

Our attention is then immediately drawn to the contention between the
Jewish Kabbalistic calendaring worldview which is celebrated by the New
Moon Festival on 25 January 2012 and that which is given by the Canon of
Supreme Mystery published in 2 BCE. This Chinese Lunar Calendar uses the
KAN descriptor which correlates to “Heaven’s Mystery” on #8 - KAN
(Tetragram: #8 - Opposition; I-Ching: H46 - Moving Upward) as the entry
for the New Moon festival celebrated on midnight Monday 23 January 2012
as commencing the Year of the Dragon which according to the 364.5 day
calendar of the Natural Year used at the time of the HAN Dynasty (206
BCE-220 CE), found its inception as the New Moon on the midnight of the
Winter Solstice of 21 December 103 BCE on #1 - CHUNG (Tetragram: #1 -
Centre; I-Ching: H61 - Inner Truth).

“We have Jesus on the cross
Your cold love put him there.
What is now your human loss?
Forever gone and despair.”

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According to Yang Hsiung’s 2 BCE commentary of the appraisals, the Yang
ch’i here supports things in their advance, and seems to be drilling
into solid matter. Thrusting forward like a spear, there is penetration.
The title of this tetragram means “to hit or knock against,” “to
offend,”, “to seek”, and “to violate.” The clearly negative associations
are employed by Yang in the unlucky, odd-numbered Appraisals:

“The high priest therefore asked Jesus {savior; deliverer} of his
disciples, and of his teaching. Jesus answered him, I have spoken openly
to the world; I ever taught in synagogues, and in the temple, where all
the Jews come together; and in secret spake I nothing. Why askest thou
me? Ask them that have heard me, what I spake unto them: behold, these
know the things which I said. And when he had said this, one of the
officers standing by struck Jesus with his hand, saying, Answerest thou
the high priest so? Jesus answered him, If I have spoken evil, bear
witness of the evil: but if well, why smitest thou me? Annas {one who
answers; humble} therefore sent him bound unto Caiaphas the high
priest.” [John 18:19-24 (ASV)]

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vince garcia
2012-05-29 11:17:47 UTC
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As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

--Apostle paul
A thousand may pray until their knees are bloody, but if they are not
keeping His Commandments, God says their prayer is an abomination to
Him. Yet the prayers of one one man who abides in Him can change the
"The effectual fervent prayer of a RIGHTEOUS man availeth much."
James 5:16 KJV
“Little children, let no one deceive you. He who DOES RIGHT is
RIGHTEOUS.” 1 John 3:7 RSV
Sounds good, doesn't it? SOUNDS like something a believer in Christ
might really say.

But what is the truth behind what Donna Kupp teaches and believes?

How can we know if this woman is of God or actually a false teacher when
she speaks?

Paul gives us the answer:

2 cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve
through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the
simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not
preached, or if ye receive ANOTHER SPIRIT, which ye have not received,
or ANOTHER GOSPEL, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with
him.

2 cor 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming
themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of
light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed
as the MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS; whose end shall be according to their
works.

Donna Kupp, for those who do not know, is a woman preaching a false
gospel with a false Christ that denies virtually every possible
essential of the Christian faith.

Note here paul's words about false teachers: they will actually be
"MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS"!!!!! Not antinomians, teaching lawlessness
and freedom to sin, but MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, teaching an
apparently good-sounding Gospel that is actually ANOTHER GOSPEL about
ANOTHER JESUS!

Let us test Donna Kupp's own words against the doctrines of
the New Testament and the Christian church, and see if we can determine
whether she is a servant of God, or actually a minister of Satan!

1. First, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach "ANOTHER
JESUS."

Is Donna Kupp's Jesus YOUR Jesus? Is her Jesus the Jesus of
Scripture?

While Donna Kupp just made a number of statements sound like something a
real Christian might make, we cannot make a judgment whether she is or
is not a true Christian based only on what she just posted here. We must
determine if she really teaches the same Jesus REAL Christians follow by
looking at statements she, herself, has made about Christ in the past,
that she may not throw out on a regular basis, because she knows it
reveals what she REALLY thinks about Christ.

So what does she actually say about the Jesus she follows, and
supposedly places faith in?

This...
"In the beginning was Jesus
and Jesus was with THE RULER,
and Jesus was Ruler.
The same was in the beginning with THE RULER."
John was teaching that Jesus was our Ruler (our theos) and that
Jesus was with the Father from the very beginning of creation.
(Not that Jesus was one third of some mysterious and mind-
boggling "Trinity" that no one had ever heard of.)
We can stop right there. Donna Kupp, denying the deity of Christ,
rewrites the Gospel of John in a manner that affirms that denial, so we
can either change all our Bibles to her new trenslation that "proves"
Jesus is NOT fully God, but some other sort of created lesser being, or
we can allow the sacred words of the apostle John to stand AS WRITTEN!

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the WORD
WAS GOD.

So we see her Jesus is ANOTHER JESUS that orthodox Protestants and
Evangelicals (and Catholics) DO NOT believe in.

For US, Jesus is God in flesh, fully God and fully man, and 2nd Person
of the Trinity she goes on to mock and deny.


2. Next, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach or operate under
a "DIFFERENT SPIRIT".

Does Donna Kupp teach and receive anoining by the same Holy Spirit that
REAL Christians follow?

Judge for yourself by her own words.
The concept that the Holy Spirit is God is based on a single verse in
Acts (5:3) where it says that Ananias lied to the Holy Spirit - and
later it says that he lied to God.
To conclude that the Holy Spirit is God on the basis of those verses is
merely an interpretation which adds to what is actually written. Since
the Spirit is the means of communciation between God and man, if you
lie to the Spirit you are in effect lying to God. Are there any verses
which actually say that the Holy Spirit is God?
Not one!
Jesus did not teach the Trinity, the apostles did not teach it, and it
was not taught by church leaders for three hundred years after the
death of Christ.
All REAL Christians believe not only in the deity of Christ, but also
the Godhood of the Holy Spirit. As we see from her own words, Donna
Kupp denies those two essentials of the faith, and proclaims the Holy
Spirit is only some nebulous "means of communication between God and
man"

So now we see she has fulfilled the SECOND warning of Paul--she has
A DIFFERENT SPIRIT than REAL Christians do.

By the way, her LIES about the history of the Trinity are instantly
refutable:

The deity of Christ was EXPLICITLY taught by Ignatius in the early 2nd
century

"To the Church at Ephesus in Asia . . . chosen through true suffering by
the will of the Father in Jesus Christ our God"
"FOR OUR GOD, Jesus Christ, was conceived by Mary in accord with God�s
plan: of the seed of David, it is true, but also of the Holy Spirit"

Letter to the Ephesians 1 110 AD
There is no record of the co-equal, co-eternal, three-in-one God
being taught by a single one of the early church fathers. It
was not a part of Christian teaching until it was formulated by the
Second Ecumenical Council at Constantinople in 381.A.D.
"No record"?


For the Church, although dispersed throughout the whole world even to
the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and from their
disciples the faith in one God, the Father Almighty . . . and in one
Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who became flesh for our salvation; and in
the Holy Spirit

Irenaeus, before 200 AD

And at the same time the mystery of the oikonomia is safeguarded, for
the unity is distributed in a TRINITY. Placed in order, the three are
the Father, Son, and Spirit. They are three, however, not in condition,
but in degree; not in being, but in form; not in power, but in kind; of
one being, however, and one condition and one power, because he is one
God of whom degrees and forms and kinds are taken into account in the
name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit"

Tertullian "Against Praxeas" early 200s AD

For Scripture as much announces Christ AS ALSO GOD, as it announces God
himself as man. It has as much described Jesus Christ to be man, as
moreover it has also described Christ the Lord to be God. Because it
does not set forth him to be the Son of God only, but also the son of
man; nor does it only say, the son of man, but it has also been
accustomed to speak of him as the Son of God. So that being of both, he
is both, lest if he should be one only, he could not be the other. For
as nature itself has prescribed that he must be believed to be a man who
is of man, so the same nature prescribes also that he must be believed
to be God who is of God. . . . Let them, therefore, who read that Jesus
Christ the son of man is man, read also that this same Jesus is called
also God and the Son of God"

Novatian, Treatise on the Trinity 11 235 AD

And now the capstone to Kupp's historial and TEXTUAL illiteracy:

The Lord says: 'I and the Father are one.' And again of the Father and
Son and the Holy Spirit it is written: 'And these three are one'.
Cyprian --Treatise 1 on the unity of the Catholic Church, chapter 6,
early 3rd century, PROVING THE LEGITIMACY OF THE COMMA JOHANNEUM KUPP
(and other historical illiterates) SAY IS A FRAUD.


3. The minister of Satan will also teach "ANOTHER GOSPEL."

Does Donna Kupp uphold the CHRISTIAN gospel? We've already seen she
denies and perverts the nature of Jesus Himself and the precious Holy
Spirit. But what is her actual gospel message? She talks about
obedience, and making Jesus Lord...but what does she really believe
about sin, justification, and sanctification? Does she ever lay out her
beliefs in clear language so the body of Christ can see and judge
whether she is or is not a fellow believer?

Yes!
To be saved is the first step in the process of salvation. Those who
are saved do not have eternal life -
Did you get that? THOSE WHO ARE SAVED ___DO NOT___HAVE ETERNAL LIFE!!!

LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

jn 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, HATH eternal life;
and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name
of the Son of God; that YE MAY KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that
ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of
yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
"If one who is born of God has truly repented of committing sin
(chosen to cease from sin) and then deliberately commits sin he has
despised the Holy Spirit, just as the OT the Israelites despised the
Law of God. It is blasphemy!"
"When we are converted all past sins are forgiven. After a person is
born-again, only sins of ignorance are forgiven. If a person sins
with knowledge and intent after that time, they have blasphemed
the Holy Spirit and there is no more sacrifice for sin. See Hebrews
6:1-8; Hebrews 10:26-31."
LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves
are ALSO FOUND SINNERS, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God
forbid.

Apparently, paul understood that even those justified in Christ STILL
SINNED!

Are we sure? Well, let's again test the doctrine of donna kupp by Paul's
own words, written in the last months of his life:

1 tim 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation,
that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I AM
CHIEF.

Wait a minute--I thought Donna said any Christian who willingly commits
even ONE SIN is eternally damned!

Apparently, paul did not realize this when he acknowledged he was the
WORST of sinners in 67 AD when he wrote this, 30+ years after finding
Christ! Thus, he must have been guilty of blaspheming the spirit
according to false teachers harold and donna kupp

What else did Paul have to say about whether Christians do or do not
commit sin in romans 7?

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing:
for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I
find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: BUT THE EVIL WHICH I WOULD NOT,
____THAT I DO___.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin
that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with
me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my
mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my
members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this
death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I
myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Does THAT sound like a man who has reached the state of sinless
perfection like Donna Kupp, who claims any sin she commits is 100%
accidental and unintentional??????

And this is her ultimate blasphemy regarding the blood of Christ...
Blood of Christ covers: 1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light,
as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the
blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. (Only sins
of ignorance)
Notice how donna kupp added the words "Only sins of ignorance" to
pervert John's words? Just as she did with the powerful passage in John
1:1, she rejects the message and inserts her own heretical words flat
out CONTRADICTING what was actually written! John says Christ's blood
cleanses us from ALL sin; Donna adds words to change it to all
UNINTENTIONAL sins, making the blood of Christ LIMITED in its ability to
atone for sin.

Kupp also has missed what Jesus said about how imperfect His followers
will always be:

Luke 4:4 And FORGIVE US OUR SINS; for we also forgive every one that is
indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from
evil.

Meanwhile, THIS is God's true message of salvation:

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become
the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

And while Donna Kupp blasphemes the gospel by claiming we keep--and
actually earn--our salvation through keeping the 10 commandments
perfectly, here is what the SCRIPTURE says about how we stay in right
standing security with God:

1 peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a
lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not
away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 WHO ARE KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD __THROUGH FAITH__ UNTO SALVATION
ready to be revealed in the last time.

So now we see her "gospel" IS NOT the gospel of the New testament. It is
a false gospel that...

A. Requires Bible verses to be rewritten in a heretical manner.
B. Requires adding a clarification to Scripture that TOTALLY overturns
what the Scripture actually SAYS.
C. Must deny the deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit.
D. Requires remaining in a state of salvation by keeping the 10
commandments PERFECTLY, or else the person is now damned without
possibility of repentance.
E. Blasphemes and limits the atoning power of Christ's blood to
"Only sins of ignorance."


4. As we noted, Paul says the MINISTER OF SATAN will actually appear to
be a MINISTER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS! That is what makes them so deceptive.
They are serpents in the guise of sheep, preaching righteous living and
'keeping God's holy law' while in their hearts is satan himself, drawing
people away from TRUE righteousness, to a perverted notion of it based
on keeping commandments!

Take a look at Donna Kupp's deceptive posts, including this one. Every
one touts the keeping of biblical commandments, threatens people with
damnation for failing to keep biblical commandments, and threatenes them
with damnation if anyone should ever--EVEN ONE TIME--willingly BREAK a
biblical commandment.

So Kupp APPEARS to be preaching the righteousness of 'keeping God's holy
commandments'...yet she does it in a way that is an UTTER PERVERSION of
the gospel of grace, and comes right from the mouth of satan speaking
good things, and making her LOOK like a minister of righetousness.

So, summing it up, Paul says that a minister of satan will...

Preach another Jesus...
Preach under another spirit...
Preach a different gospel...
While appearing to be a minister of righteousness while doing so!

I believe Donna Kupp meets ALL FOUR CRITERIA.

Based on the totality of her teachings, I see no conclusion other than
that the "Jesus" she follows is a demon spirit, and the "Yahweh" she
speaks for is actually SATAN.


I am dead to the law by the crucified body of Christ. Are you?
dolf
2012-05-29 06:48:16 UTC
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I can do what you can do, but I can do it better!
Post by vince garcia
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
--Apostle paul
I am dead to the law by the crucified body of Christ. Are you?
The foremost atheist Philosopher of our age, Alain de Botton, a Swiss
writer, philosopher, television presenter entrepreneur and atheist
recently launched his new book ‘Religion for Atheists’ and no atheists
are interested in talking about it, including all the ones who eagerly
embraced Dawkin's even more enthusiastic endorsement of atheist Gods he
claims ‘came into being’ (sic).

From his book launch he conceded: "A few years ago it struck me that
there is a resource that is a provider of Wisdom, and consolation, and
an ethical framework, and it's rather fascinating and has dominated the
mental landscape of human beings for thousands of years I'm thinking, of
course, of religion.”

The problem is according to Australia's most celebrated atheist Phillip
Adams, who in “The Atheist Delusion”, warns militant atheists against
misplaced arrogance and hubris.

It is Martin Heidegger (1889-1976) who was perhaps the greatest
philosopher of the 20th century and we are challenged to comprehend how
he could have been a life-long Nazi. [McCumber 1999:1] From his
inception in 1927 with his magnum opus: “Being and Time” he clearly
established himself as a foremost and important philosopher, but later
betrayed his philosophical contributions and finished up until his death
in 1976 as a contemptible apologist, first for Nazism and later for himself.

In fact I would go so far to say, that Richards Dawkins like Heidegger
has squandered his intellect on an evil consequence being the source of
the unaccountable vilification and hubris we are subject to as racial,
sexual and religious vilification.

And I hope he does us all a favour and not live to a ripe old age like
the fascist German.

"Did u pee on the Eternal Flame, yet again Dufus?" [Shane Dowling alias
Kangaroo Court Australia @ ***@gmail.com]

dolf: “Mr Peter Bowditch (Australian Skeptics) and fasgnadh (atheist
reformed evangelist) are presently dealing with the consequence of their
ANZAC defamation and denial…”

Peter Bowditch (Anomalous Atheist #2243) of the Australian Skeptics /
The Millennium Project [www.ratbags.com/rsoles]: “Dolt - please fuck off.”

Mr Peter Bowditch is as a person of British decent who is engaged in
racial, sexual and religious vilification of our Constitutional Rights.
And I am most adamant about eventually bringing that fascist cunt to his
knees in showing a proper respect.

Arguments from Ignorance are lame, and yours is a rather lame version of
an Argument from Ignorance. To wit: "A prominent atheist has not
explained this to my satisfaction so it must be a miracle."

Just like adding the notion of HYPONOMIC (under or subject to law) to
the consideration of COSMOLOGICAL ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE.

Didn't God tell Moses about the Sabbath (7th) day 3,500 years ago?

And didn't they observe a 293 (294 x 364 as base 7 numbering) year
calendar cycle from Wednesday 20 March?

From that we can argue the following:

1) Dawkins has no credibility and is morally bankrupt.

2) The Catholic Church can be reqarded as equally fascist because they
wanted the same crown and control of marriage as the basis for global
governance.

3) This Prime Ministerial (John Howard) statement is fascist: “marriage
means the union of a man and a woman to the exclusion of all others,
voluntarily entered into for life” occurred in August 2004 with the
passage of the Marriage Legislation Amendment Bill as an Act to amend
the Australian Commonwealth Marriage Act 1961 and Family Law Act 1975.

Thankfully I have never been defiled by being in the presence of our
Prime Minister John Howard in Briagolong whom I consider has pandered to
the desires and ambitions of the Roman Catholic Church and enemy against
the "Sovereign Autonomy" of the Commonwealth.

The fact that we have a SABBATH day as 7th day is substantiation of a
HYPONOMIC (subject or under law) and DISPENSATIONAL basis to the COSMOS
and Governance.

And tolerance of Islam is made on the basis that, long before the
emergence of any democratic sovereign and autonomous societies, they
1500 years ago had to contend with the evil of the Catholic Church.

dolf: “Is Richard Dawkins dead yet?”

That his work on “Being and Time”, for all its achievements, is no
innocent piece of philosophy. Although some have argued that it may not
have directly encouraged Nazism, it clearly leaves Heidegger open to
such an accusation. For in “Being and Time”, intelligibility is subject
to the world: I can understand nothing that is not within the horizons
of my world. Escape from this world is achievable not through critical
reason but only in a mute and mystified “resolve”. [McCumber 1999:3]

Yet for much of the Western world, the difficulty of Heidegger's thought
was for many years held to be almost insuperable in the medium of a
foreign language, especially English. That this opinion is no longer so
widely held can be seen both from the rapidly increasing number of
translations of Heidegger's works and from the interest of a growing
readership. There are signs moreover, that as a preeminent thinker of
our age, Heidegger may be of interest to many who do not claim to have a
wide knowledge of traditional metaphysics or whose concern with him may
not be primarily philosophical at all.

Such readers have a certain advantage in bringing an open mind to a new
problem, but they also have special difficulties in grappling with
Heidegger. [King 2001:xviii]

However as Gadamer (1976) suggests when the layman wonders what
philosophy really is, he has the idea that philosophising means
defining, and taking responsibility for the need to define, the concepts
in which all men think as homo[ios] sapien[tal]. Since as a rule we do
not see this happen, we have helped ourselves by means of a doctrine of
implicit definition.

In reality, however, such a “doctrine” is a mere verbalism as is the
neologism starting with the German word: Dasein--which is not another
name for ‘consciousness’, ’subject’, or ‘human being’. Heidegger
introduces a vocabulary that challenges the reader [Stambaugh
2010:xviii]. To say nothing of the Hebrew word: Dashen {(#4 - Daleth;
#300 - Shin; #50 - Nun = #354 / #390 as H1878) specifically to anoint;
figuratively to satisfy; denominatively (from H1880 ) to remove (fat)
ashes (of sacrifices):—accept, anoint, take away the (receive) ashes
(from), make (wax) fat}. For to call a definition implicit obviously
means one finally comes to notice, on the basis of a number of sentences
that someone has spoken. And he or she was thinking something
unambiguous by means of using a concept. In this respect, philosophers
are no different from other men, for other men too are in the habit of
thinking definite things and avoiding contradictions. The lay opinion
appealed to here is in fact dominated by the doctrine that universals or
general ideas are mere names without any corresponding reality as
nominalistic tradition of recent centuries, in considering linguistic
reproduction as a kind of application of signs. It is obvious that
artificial signs need an organisation and arrangement that excludes any
ambiguity. Thus the demand arises that the illusionary problems of
“metaphysics” must be unmasked by establishing the univocal use of
language. [Gadamer 1971:125-126]

In his scheme to refresh philosophy, Heidegger, like Hegel (1770-1831),
draws upon the earthy roots of his language and dialect. So a promising
way of achieving this refreshment would be the exercise of translating
“Being and Time” into the Anglo-Saxon language. Or perhaps into the
Welsh or Gaelic idioms. Or for that matter, into Hebrew with its
association to the earliest Semitic tongue and most probable origin of
language. [King 2001:xv]

How then did Heidegger's publication in 1927 of “Being and Time”, and in
1929 with his provocative book on Kant's “Critique of Pure Reason” in
his treatise on “Kant and the Problem of Metaphysics” or his 1939
lectures: “On the Essence of Language: The Metaphysics of Language and
Essencing of the Word” in relation to the German Lutheran theologian and
philosopher Johann Herder's 1772 treatise: “On the Origin of Language”,
lead to the German Reich policy on the genocidal annihilation and
nullification of Judaism as the absence of being? Herder (1744-1803) was
the progenitor of the volkgeist (“Spirit of the people”) conception and
had advanced a cultural superiority by the injunction: “Spew out the
ugly slime of the Seine. Speak German, O You German.” Yet whilst he
supported the French Revolution (1789–1799), his anti-authoritarianism,
anti-militarism, and borderless humanitarianism values would generally
have caused him to find the subsequent acts of political domination, war
and empire which make up the vast bulk of these “great” deeds and events
of history as not just morally unedifying, but morally repugnant.
[Stanford Encyclopaedia of Philosophy 2007]

Heidegger was struggling to distance his thought from the prevailing
neo-Kantian tendency in German philosophical circles of the time, and
this resulted in a highly original interpretation of Kant (1724-1804).
From the standpoint of the development of Heidegger’s own endeavour, his
book: “Kant and the Problem of Metaphysics” is of pivotal importance
because it takes up and extends a number of themes suggested in “Being
and Time”, in particular the problem of how Heidegger proposed to enact
his “destruction” of the metaphysical tradition and of what role his
reading of Kant would play in that project. It’s this problematic about
Kant’s Categories as it relates to Being in traditional metaphysics and
the phenomenon of time which accounts for what some have called the
“violence” of Heidegger’s interpretation as even he unequivocally
acknowledged in the preface to his 1950 edition. [Taft 1997:xii, xx]

Heidegger asks, “What is the human being?” If I speak, so therefore I
am. It is through and in the being, human language comes into being and
vice versa; in the coming into being of language the human being “is”
the human being. [Gregory 2004:87] How then was any one of Jewish
descent considered as less than human after the 7 November 1938
assassination of Ernst vom Rath, the third Secretary of the German
Embassy in Paris by his reputed 17yo homosexual companion, a German born
Polish Jew named Herschel Grynszpan. As the impetus for Kristallnacht
within days following and the beginning of the Final Solution as
Holocaust--Where was God? I do not desire to participate in the attitude
of silence as others have promulgated to this very time, and neither do
I consider subterfuge in the use of language as the only applicable and
acceptable answer to such questions: “Vous êtes sur un site francophone.
Yez la politesse et la correction de vous exprimer en français.”

This then relates to a little anecdote about my activities as timely
actions over the siege in Toulouse, France on 21-23 March 2012 in
relation to the earlier massacre of three paratroopers (ethnic and
muslim), school children and a Jewish Rabbi by an Islamic extremist.
Whilst enjoying a walk, I made some appraisals of the most probable
cause of the event before it was disclosed as public news. In that the 7
murders which occurred as terrorist activity were in part being
attributed to abuses as starvation of Palestinian children due to an
inability by the menfolk to pursue their livelihoods because of a
confiscation of their tools of trade at border crossings in Israel. And
as a consequence of my comments, as actions of goodwill and regard to
European friends, I found my words as ideas (unity of being, dignity and
discrimination by the State versus the animalistic behaviour of the
perpetrators) being uttered from the mouths of the French President
Nicolas Sarkozy and a Jewish Rabbi in Israel which were subsequently
reported on the news.

In querying the political motive of UNICEF workers in the street (Sale,
Victoria) that same day, I remarked that not even Kofi Annan would be
able to take the “King” of Syria (President Bashar al-Assad) out of my
hands--and indeed that is so today as Russia, China and America are all
indebted to my intellectual property associated to governance.

There was in response to my calculated statements as provocations made
towards the Republic of France (on alt.France) in their time of great
need, an attempt by some person (René Groumal) without any remorse or
apology, to falsely and slanderously characterise my public Internet
statements as being fascist or neo-nazi. I am categorically neither. The
source of my ideology as autonomic doctrines of unity, co-operation,
freedom and democracy are not derived from Adolf Hitler. But that my
prophet is Moses and therefore I am not anti-Semitic.

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Governance (religion), angels and time, set in stone: Angel Solar Watch
(replica) 1582 CE Chartres Cathedral, France
anthropo- (comb. form)
human; of a human being: anthropometry.
• relating to humankind: anthropology.
ORIGIN from Greek anthrōpos ‘human being.’

anthropic principle (noun)
the cosmological principle that theories of the universe are constrained
by the necessity to allow human existence
ORIGIN 1970s: anthropic from Greek anthrōpikos, from anthrōpos ‘human
being.’

In its ‘weak’ form the anthropic principle affirms that a universe in
which living observers cannot exist is inherently unobservable. ‘Strong’
forms take this line of reasoning further, seeking to explain features
of the universe as being so because they are necessary for human existence.


Emperor as Centre of the Universe

Our attention is then immediately drawn to the contention between the
Jewish Kabbalistic calendaring worldview which is celebrated by the New
Moon Festival on 25 January 2012 and that which is given by the Canon of
Supreme Mystery published in 2 BCE. This Chinese Lunar Calendar uses the
KAN descriptor which correlates to “Heaven’s Mystery” on #8 - KAN
(Tetragram: #8 - Opposition; I-Ching: H46 - Moving Upward) as the entry
for the New Moon festival celebrated on midnight Monday 23 January 2012
as commencing the Year of the Dragon which according to the 364.5 day
calendar of the Natural Year used at the time of the HAN Dynasty (206
BCE-220 CE), found its inception as the New Moon on the midnight of the
Winter Solstice of 21 December 103 BCE on #1 - CHUNG (Tetragram: #1 -
Centre; I-Ching: H61 - Inner Truth).

“We have Jesus on the cross
Your cold love put him there.
What is now your human loss?
Forever gone and despair.”

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According to Yang Hsiung’s 2 BCE commentary of the appraisals, the Yang
ch’i here supports things in their advance, and seems to be drilling
into solid matter. Thrusting forward like a spear, there is penetration.
The title of this tetragram means “to hit or knock against,” “to
offend,”, “to seek”, and “to violate.” The clearly negative associations
are employed by Yang in the unlucky, odd-numbered Appraisals:

“The high priest therefore asked Jesus {savior; deliverer} of his
disciples, and of his teaching. Jesus answered him, I have spoken openly
to the world; I ever taught in synagogues, and in the temple, where all
the Jews come together; and in secret spake I nothing. Why askest thou
me? Ask them that have heard me, what I spake unto them: behold, these
know the things which I said. And when he had said this, one of the
officers standing by struck Jesus with his hand, saying, Answerest thou
the high priest so? Jesus answered him, If I have spoken evil, bear
witness of the evil: but if well, why smitest thou me? Annas {one who
answers; humble} therefore sent him bound unto Caiaphas the high
priest.” [John 18:19-24 (ASV)]

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vince garcia
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As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

--Apostle paul
A thousand may pray until their knees are bloody, but if they are not
keeping His Commandments, God says their prayer is an abomination to
Him. Yet the prayers of one one man who abides in Him can change the
"The effectual fervent prayer of a RIGHTEOUS man availeth much."
James 5:16 KJV
“Little children, let no one deceive you. He who DOES RIGHT is
RIGHTEOUS.” 1 John 3:7 RSV
Sounds good, doesn't it? SOUNDS like something a believer in Christ
might really say.

But what is the truth behind what Donna Kupp teaches and believes?

How can we know if this woman is of God or actually a false teacher when
she speaks?

Paul gives us the answer:

2 cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve
through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the
simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not
preached, or if ye receive ANOTHER SPIRIT, which ye have not received,
or ANOTHER GOSPEL, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with
him.

2 cor 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming
themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of
light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed
as the MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS; whose end shall be according to their
works.

Donna Kupp, for those who do not know, is a woman preaching a false
gospel with a false Christ that denies virtually every possible
essential of the Christian faith.

Note here paul's words about false teachers: they will actually be
"MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS"!!!!! Not antinomians, teaching lawlessness
and freedom to sin, but MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, teaching an
apparently good-sounding Gospel that is actually ANOTHER GOSPEL about
ANOTHER JESUS!

Let us test Donna Kupp's own words against the doctrines of
the New Testament and the Christian church, and see if we can determine
whether she is a servant of God, or actually a minister of Satan!

1. First, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach "ANOTHER
JESUS."

Is Donna Kupp's Jesus YOUR Jesus? Is her Jesus the Jesus of
Scripture?

While Donna Kupp just made a number of statements sound like something a
real Christian might make, we cannot make a judgment whether she is or
is not a true Christian based only on what she just posted here. We must
determine if she really teaches the same Jesus REAL Christians follow by
looking at statements she, herself, has made about Christ in the past,
that she may not throw out on a regular basis, because she knows it
reveals what she REALLY thinks about Christ.

So what does she actually say about the Jesus she follows, and
supposedly places faith in?

This...
"In the beginning was Jesus
and Jesus was with THE RULER,
and Jesus was Ruler.
The same was in the beginning with THE RULER."
John was teaching that Jesus was our Ruler (our theos) and that
Jesus was with the Father from the very beginning of creation.
(Not that Jesus was one third of some mysterious and mind-
boggling "Trinity" that no one had ever heard of.)
We can stop right there. Donna Kupp, denying the deity of Christ,
rewrites the Gospel of John in a manner that affirms that denial, so we
can either change all our Bibles to her new trenslation that "proves"
Jesus is NOT fully God, but some other sort of created lesser being, or
we can allow the sacred words of the apostle John to stand AS WRITTEN!

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the WORD
WAS GOD.

So we see her Jesus is ANOTHER JESUS that orthodox Protestants and
Evangelicals (and Catholics) DO NOT believe in.

For US, Jesus is God in flesh, fully God and fully man, and 2nd Person
of the Trinity she goes on to mock and deny.


2. Next, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach or operate under
a "DIFFERENT SPIRIT".

Does Donna Kupp teach and receive anoining by the same Holy Spirit that
REAL Christians follow?

Judge for yourself by her own words.
The concept that the Holy Spirit is God is based on a single verse in
Acts (5:3) where it says that Ananias lied to the Holy Spirit - and
later it says that he lied to God.
To conclude that the Holy Spirit is God on the basis of those verses is
merely an interpretation which adds to what is actually written. Since
the Spirit is the means of communciation between God and man, if you
lie to the Spirit you are in effect lying to God. Are there any verses
which actually say that the Holy Spirit is God?
Not one!
Jesus did not teach the Trinity, the apostles did not teach it, and it
was not taught by church leaders for three hundred years after the
death of Christ.
All REAL Christians believe not only in the deity of Christ, but also
the Godhood of the Holy Spirit. As we see from her own words, Donna
Kupp denies those two essentials of the faith, and proclaims the Holy
Spirit is only some nebulous "means of communication between God and
man"

So now we see she has fulfilled the SECOND warning of Paul--she has
A DIFFERENT SPIRIT than REAL Christians do.

By the way, her LIES about the history of the Trinity are instantly
refutable:

The deity of Christ was EXPLICITLY taught by Ignatius in the early 2nd
century

"To the Church at Ephesus in Asia . . . chosen through true suffering by
the will of the Father in Jesus Christ our God"
"FOR OUR GOD, Jesus Christ, was conceived by Mary in accord with God�s
plan: of the seed of David, it is true, but also of the Holy Spirit"

Letter to the Ephesians 1 110 AD
There is no record of the co-equal, co-eternal, three-in-one God
being taught by a single one of the early church fathers. It
was not a part of Christian teaching until it was formulated by the
Second Ecumenical Council at Constantinople in 381.A.D.
"No record"?


For the Church, although dispersed throughout the whole world even to
the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and from their
disciples the faith in one God, the Father Almighty . . . and in one
Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who became flesh for our salvation; and in
the Holy Spirit

Irenaeus, before 200 AD

And at the same time the mystery of the oikonomia is safeguarded, for
the unity is distributed in a TRINITY. Placed in order, the three are
the Father, Son, and Spirit. They are three, however, not in condition,
but in degree; not in being, but in form; not in power, but in kind; of
one being, however, and one condition and one power, because he is one
God of whom degrees and forms and kinds are taken into account in the
name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit"

Tertullian "Against Praxeas" early 200s AD

For Scripture as much announces Christ AS ALSO GOD, as it announces God
himself as man. It has as much described Jesus Christ to be man, as
moreover it has also described Christ the Lord to be God. Because it
does not set forth him to be the Son of God only, but also the son of
man; nor does it only say, the son of man, but it has also been
accustomed to speak of him as the Son of God. So that being of both, he
is both, lest if he should be one only, he could not be the other. For
as nature itself has prescribed that he must be believed to be a man who
is of man, so the same nature prescribes also that he must be believed
to be God who is of God. . . . Let them, therefore, who read that Jesus
Christ the son of man is man, read also that this same Jesus is called
also God and the Son of God"

Novatian, Treatise on the Trinity 11 235 AD

And now the capstone to Kupp's historial and TEXTUAL illiteracy:

The Lord says: 'I and the Father are one.' And again of the Father and
Son and the Holy Spirit it is written: 'And these three are one'.
Cyprian --Treatise 1 on the unity of the Catholic Church, chapter 6,
early 3rd century, PROVING THE LEGITIMACY OF THE COMMA JOHANNEUM KUPP
(and other historical illiterates) SAY IS A FRAUD.


3. The minister of Satan will also teach "ANOTHER GOSPEL."

Does Donna Kupp uphold the CHRISTIAN gospel? We've already seen she
denies and perverts the nature of Jesus Himself and the precious Holy
Spirit. But what is her actual gospel message? She talks about
obedience, and making Jesus Lord...but what does she really believe
about sin, justification, and sanctification? Does she ever lay out her
beliefs in clear language so the body of Christ can see and judge
whether she is or is not a fellow believer?

Yes!
To be saved is the first step in the process of salvation. Those who
are saved do not have eternal life -
Did you get that? THOSE WHO ARE SAVED ___DO NOT___HAVE ETERNAL LIFE!!!

LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

jn 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, HATH eternal life;
and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name
of the Son of God; that YE MAY KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that
ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of
yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
"If one who is born of God has truly repented of committing sin
(chosen to cease from sin) and then deliberately commits sin he has
despised the Holy Spirit, just as the OT the Israelites despised the
Law of God. It is blasphemy!"
"When we are converted all past sins are forgiven. After a person is
born-again, only sins of ignorance are forgiven. If a person sins
with knowledge and intent after that time, they have blasphemed
the Holy Spirit and there is no more sacrifice for sin. See Hebrews
6:1-8; Hebrews 10:26-31."
LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves
are ALSO FOUND SINNERS, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God
forbid.

Apparently, paul understood that even those justified in Christ STILL
SINNED!

Are we sure? Well, let's again test the doctrine of donna kupp by Paul's
own words, written in the last months of his life:

1 tim 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation,
that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I AM
CHIEF.

Wait a minute--I thought Donna said any Christian who willingly commits
even ONE SIN is eternally damned!

Apparently, paul did not realize this when he acknowledged he was the
WORST of sinners in 67 AD when he wrote this, 30+ years after finding
Christ! Thus, he must have been guilty of blaspheming the spirit
according to false teachers harold and donna kupp

What else did Paul have to say about whether Christians do or do not
commit sin in romans 7?

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing:
for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I
find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: BUT THE EVIL WHICH I WOULD NOT,
____THAT I DO___.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin
that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with
me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my
mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my
members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this
death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I
myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Does THAT sound like a man who has reached the state of sinless
perfection like Donna Kupp, who claims any sin she commits is 100%
accidental and unintentional??????

And this is her ultimate blasphemy regarding the blood of Christ...
Blood of Christ covers: 1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light,
as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the
blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. (Only sins
of ignorance)
Notice how donna kupp added the words "Only sins of ignorance" to
pervert John's words? Just as she did with the powerful passage in John
1:1, she rejects the message and inserts her own heretical words flat
out CONTRADICTING what was actually written! John says Christ's blood
cleanses us from ALL sin; Donna adds words to change it to all
UNINTENTIONAL sins, making the blood of Christ LIMITED in its ability to
atone for sin.

Kupp also has missed what Jesus said about how imperfect His followers
will always be:

Luke 4:4 And FORGIVE US OUR SINS; for we also forgive every one that is
indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from
evil.

Meanwhile, THIS is God's true message of salvation:

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become
the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

And while Donna Kupp blasphemes the gospel by claiming we keep--and
actually earn--our salvation through keeping the 10 commandments
perfectly, here is what the SCRIPTURE says about how we stay in right
standing security with God:

1 peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a
lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not
away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 WHO ARE KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD __THROUGH FAITH__ UNTO SALVATION
ready to be revealed in the last time.

So now we see her "gospel" IS NOT the gospel of the New testament. It is
a false gospel that...

A. Requires Bible verses to be rewritten in a heretical manner.
B. Requires adding a clarification to Scripture that TOTALLY overturns
what the Scripture actually SAYS.
C. Must deny the deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit.
D. Requires remaining in a state of salvation by keeping the 10
commandments PERFECTLY, or else the person is now damned without
possibility of repentance.
E. Blasphemes and limits the atoning power of Christ's blood to
"Only sins of ignorance."


4. As we noted, Paul says the MINISTER OF SATAN will actually appear to
be a MINISTER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS! That is what makes them so deceptive.
They are serpents in the guise of sheep, preaching righteous living and
'keeping God's holy law' while in their hearts is satan himself, drawing
people away from TRUE righteousness, to a perverted notion of it based
on keeping commandments!

Take a look at Donna Kupp's deceptive posts, including this one. Every
one touts the keeping of biblical commandments, threatens people with
damnation for failing to keep biblical commandments, and threatenes them
with damnation if anyone should ever--EVEN ONE TIME--willingly BREAK a
biblical commandment.

So Kupp APPEARS to be preaching the righteousness of 'keeping God's holy
commandments'...yet she does it in a way that is an UTTER PERVERSION of
the gospel of grace, and comes right from the mouth of satan speaking
good things, and making her LOOK like a minister of righetousness.

So, summing it up, Paul says that a minister of satan will...

Preach another Jesus...
Preach under another spirit...
Preach a different gospel...
While appearing to be a minister of righteousness while doing so!

I believe Donna Kupp meets ALL FOUR CRITERIA.

Based on the totality of her teachings, I see no conclusion other than
that the "Jesus" she follows is a demon spirit, and the "Yahweh" she
speaks for is actually SATAN.


I am dead to the law by the crucified body of Christ. Are you?
dolf
2012-05-29 20:06:23 UTC
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The Catholic Fascist Voice in Our Country is going to perish and will no
longer be heard.

Did you like the earthquake in Parma, Italy?

Just yesterday, I said, the Catholic (Italian) fascist dogs don't seem
interested in my ANZAC Day miracle:

Where I read out the following in association to a mathematical model
and biblical text as substance of belief and an earthquake occurred in
the Tamar River area of Tasmania, killing one miner.

- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/nous.gif

“We are not ANZACs, We have done nobler deeds than they, Of which you
know nothing. We are not ANZACs because Australians subject us to
Religious persecution. We are not ANZACs because you deny us fair
Justice. We are not ANZACs because you think your race is better than
ours. We are not ANZACs because you deny us Community and Equal
Opportunity. O God Lord of retribution, LORD, God, Lord of retribution,
shine forth. Rise up O judge of the earth, and render an evil recompense
to the proud. How long will the wicked dwell in error? That pour out and
speak blasphemy, all those who deal falsely utter words of shame. They
crush your people. O LORD, and impoverish your inheritance. They kill
the widow and the sojourner and murder the orphans.

And they say, ‘The LORD does not see, and the God of Jacob does not pay
heed.’” [© 2004 The Order of Saint Benedict, Aramaic Targum of Psalm 94:1-7]

“We have Jesus on the cross
Your cold love put him there.
What is now your human loss?
Forever gone and despair.”

As an authoritative statement of fact about one’s own religious belief
as a substance which supersedes and is sovereign to your own unbelief or
disbelief as the belief (accompanying ritual practice) may be such as
Roman Catholicism. We seem to have Catholic et al managing and
disrupting Internet based conversations for years so as to prevent the
fostering of any viable alternative (as degree of belief) to Catholic
dogma as their disbelief in blasphemy which is the lack any real and
tangible Christian identity as unbelief.

I joked with him about what would likely to have happened yesterday and
whether I would have been involuntarily sectioned, if they had known,
that my singular intention was to effect a disdainful brutalisation of
them by the slaughter of the nuns who own the shop--And I proudly
expressed the view of its anticipated effectiveness, in being for them
an especially enhanced and grievous reality by virtue of the fact that
the Catholic nuns live within a worldview as delusional claim to
superiority, where they mistakenly believe there is no verity and surety
greater to their own belief. As they simply have no awareness of
something much greater than them. It therefore has the very real
capability of manifesting a most pronounced distress as uncontrolled
anxieties and palpitations. A loss of bodily function and breathing
control, an incapacity of speech and most probably resulting in death,
as my intentioned act of a most discomforting awareness of a loss of
soul. A judgement and revenge made against them. What do you think is
implied by the claim that I would effect a collapse and forfeiture by
the Catholic Religious Order, who have no remaining legitimacy within
Australian life?

I described to him, my well intentioned purpose, which I conveyed before
even beginning the 3 hrs of pleading my own cause of liberty with the
psychiatrists yesterday. I had sought to protect them (purposefully left
in draft disposition in that specific regard) in relation to the
mechanics of the document. And described it’s capability for manifesting
trauma as notionally equivalent to getting on the cross with Jesus. And
explained to them that whilst no harm was being intentioned towards
them. That should their sensibilities be moved to an empathy with my
representations, they should clearly convey their free accept of it. The
course of my presentation, would then focus on how the methodology, as
recourse to the habitual use of obstructions, which move one towards the
concealment of any intentioned process and instead having a reliance
upon scurrilous distortions of any immediacy and capability for threat
for actuality, has a mitigating effect on the permissibility of
authority under the legislation.

At one point I brought to their attention, the expressed need to avoid
the risky action of reading and consuming the document at too rapid and
careless rate. As you may unnecessarily enter into a painful anxious
state of fear which rendered them incapable of speech. That I was
responding to the outstanding matter of psychiatrist Peter Sternhell’s
slanderous characterisations of the substantial reality, vital
effectiveness and the substance of my own religious belief. The
improper, immodest and blasphemous characterisation by them, as being
irrational and delusional was often repeated without substantiation by
Dr. Meredith Stone (and I have seen her with child). To whom I have also
intentioned to effect a similar retaliation against those persons, as a
consequence to their slanderous, false and haughty characterisations of
me and my belief as delusional and as cause for their sado-masochistic
perversity to which I was then subject to their pleasure and the
pretence as beneficial claim of a therapeutic process. In having
furnished statements and these documents, in substantiation of my legal
entitlements and claim against Saint Vincent’s Hospital, theirs
similarly, is now a requirement as an accord with immediacy and a
priority towards an unequivocal awareness, of their obligation which is
without any further grounds for delay, as a requirement for them to
provide an accountability for their actions and in their absence any
credibility as lawful criteria to provide an apology and restitution for
their past and continuing persecutions. And they will afford me an
appropriate and sovereign dignity in the acknowledgement of the
superiority and correctness of my substantial claim to Christian belief
and over that which was previously claimed of Roman Catholic belief.

That until they all expire, every remaining Roman Catholic, from this
time forward will afford to me an appropriate dignity as my entitlement
which is attained by the sovereign basis of my substantiated claim to
Christian belief and identity--such recognition of my superiority over
the Roman Catholic Church and its fraudulent claims to Christian
identity is to be accompanied by an appropriate gesturing as bowing in
respect of my dignity and a verbalisation which acknowledges the majesty
of my triumphantism over you all.
vince garcia
2012-05-29 22:39:58 UTC
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As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

--Apostle paul
A thousand may pray until their knees are bloody, but if they are not
keeping His Commandments, God says their prayer is an abomination to
Him. Yet the prayers of one one man who abides in Him can change the
"The effectual fervent prayer of a RIGHTEOUS man availeth much."
James 5:16 KJV
“Little children, let no one deceive you. He who DOES RIGHT is
RIGHTEOUS.” 1 John 3:7 RSV
Sounds good, doesn't it? SOUNDS like something a believer in Christ
might really say.

But what is the truth behind what Donna Kupp teaches and believes?

How can we know if this woman is of God or actually a false teacher when
she speaks?

Paul gives us the answer:

2 cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve
through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the
simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not
preached, or if ye receive ANOTHER SPIRIT, which ye have not received,
or ANOTHER GOSPEL, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with
him.

2 cor 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming
themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of
light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed
as the MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS; whose end shall be according to their
works.

Donna Kupp, for those who do not know, is a woman preaching a false
gospel with a false Christ that denies virtually every possible
essential of the Christian faith.

Note here paul's words about false teachers: they will actually be
"MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS"!!!!! Not antinomians, teaching lawlessness
and freedom to sin, but MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, teaching an
apparently good-sounding Gospel that is actually ANOTHER GOSPEL about
ANOTHER JESUS!

Let us test Donna Kupp's own words against the doctrines of
the New Testament and the Christian church, and see if we can determine
whether she is a servant of God, or actually a minister of Satan!

1. First, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach "ANOTHER
JESUS."

Is Donna Kupp's Jesus YOUR Jesus? Is her Jesus the Jesus of
Scripture?

While Donna Kupp just made a number of statements sound like something a
real Christian might make, we cannot make a judgment whether she is or
is not a true Christian based only on what she just posted here. We must
determine if she really teaches the same Jesus REAL Christians follow by
looking at statements she, herself, has made about Christ in the past,
that she may not throw out on a regular basis, because she knows it
reveals what she REALLY thinks about Christ.

So what does she actually say about the Jesus she follows, and
supposedly places faith in?

This...
"In the beginning was Jesus
and Jesus was with THE RULER,
and Jesus was Ruler.
The same was in the beginning with THE RULER."
John was teaching that Jesus was our Ruler (our theos) and that
Jesus was with the Father from the very beginning of creation.
(Not that Jesus was one third of some mysterious and mind-
boggling "Trinity" that no one had ever heard of.)
We can stop right there. Donna Kupp, denying the deity of Christ,
rewrites the Gospel of John in a manner that affirms that denial, so we
can either change all our Bibles to her new trenslation that "proves"
Jesus is NOT fully God, but some other sort of created lesser being, or
we can allow the sacred words of the apostle John to stand AS WRITTEN!

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the WORD
WAS GOD.

So we see her Jesus is ANOTHER JESUS that orthodox Protestants and
Evangelicals (and Catholics) DO NOT believe in.

For US, Jesus is God in flesh, fully God and fully man, and 2nd Person
of the Trinity she goes on to mock and deny.


2. Next, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach or operate under
a "DIFFERENT SPIRIT".

Does Donna Kupp teach and receive anoining by the same Holy Spirit that
REAL Christians follow?

Judge for yourself by her own words.
The concept that the Holy Spirit is God is based on a single verse in
Acts (5:3) where it says that Ananias lied to the Holy Spirit - and
later it says that he lied to God.
To conclude that the Holy Spirit is God on the basis of those verses is
merely an interpretation which adds to what is actually written. Since
the Spirit is the means of communciation between God and man, if you
lie to the Spirit you are in effect lying to God. Are there any verses
which actually say that the Holy Spirit is God?
Not one!
Jesus did not teach the Trinity, the apostles did not teach it, and it
was not taught by church leaders for three hundred years after the
death of Christ.
All REAL Christians believe not only in the deity of Christ, but also
the Godhood of the Holy Spirit. As we see from her own words, Donna
Kupp denies those two essentials of the faith, and proclaims the Holy
Spirit is only some nebulous "means of communication between God and
man"

So now we see she has fulfilled the SECOND warning of Paul--she has
A DIFFERENT SPIRIT than REAL Christians do.

By the way, her LIES about the history of the Trinity are instantly
refutable:

The deity of Christ was EXPLICITLY taught by Ignatius in the early 2nd
century

"To the Church at Ephesus in Asia . . . chosen through true suffering by
the will of the Father in Jesus Christ our God"
"FOR OUR GOD, Jesus Christ, was conceived by Mary in accord with God�s
plan: of the seed of David, it is true, but also of the Holy Spirit"

Letter to the Ephesians 1 110 AD
There is no record of the co-equal, co-eternal, three-in-one God
being taught by a single one of the early church fathers. It
was not a part of Christian teaching until it was formulated by the
Second Ecumenical Council at Constantinople in 381.A.D.
"No record"?


For the Church, although dispersed throughout the whole world even to
the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and from their
disciples the faith in one God, the Father Almighty . . . and in one
Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who became flesh for our salvation; and in
the Holy Spirit

Irenaeus, before 200 AD

And at the same time the mystery of the oikonomia is safeguarded, for
the unity is distributed in a TRINITY. Placed in order, the three are
the Father, Son, and Spirit. They are three, however, not in condition,
but in degree; not in being, but in form; not in power, but in kind; of
one being, however, and one condition and one power, because he is one
God of whom degrees and forms and kinds are taken into account in the
name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit"

Tertullian "Against Praxeas" early 200s AD

For Scripture as much announces Christ AS ALSO GOD, as it announces God
himself as man. It has as much described Jesus Christ to be man, as
moreover it has also described Christ the Lord to be God. Because it
does not set forth him to be the Son of God only, but also the son of
man; nor does it only say, the son of man, but it has also been
accustomed to speak of him as the Son of God. So that being of both, he
is both, lest if he should be one only, he could not be the other. For
as nature itself has prescribed that he must be believed to be a man who
is of man, so the same nature prescribes also that he must be believed
to be God who is of God. . . . Let them, therefore, who read that Jesus
Christ the son of man is man, read also that this same Jesus is called
also God and the Son of God"

Novatian, Treatise on the Trinity 11 235 AD

And now the capstone to Kupp's historial and TEXTUAL illiteracy:

The Lord says: 'I and the Father are one.' And again of the Father and
Son and the Holy Spirit it is written: 'And these three are one'.
Cyprian --Treatise 1 on the unity of the Catholic Church, chapter 6,
early 3rd century, PROVING THE LEGITIMACY OF THE COMMA JOHANNEUM KUPP
(and other historical illiterates) SAY IS A FRAUD.


3. The minister of Satan will also teach "ANOTHER GOSPEL."

Does Donna Kupp uphold the CHRISTIAN gospel? We've already seen she
denies and perverts the nature of Jesus Himself and the precious Holy
Spirit. But what is her actual gospel message? She talks about
obedience, and making Jesus Lord...but what does she really believe
about sin, justification, and sanctification? Does she ever lay out her
beliefs in clear language so the body of Christ can see and judge
whether she is or is not a fellow believer?

Yes!
To be saved is the first step in the process of salvation. Those who
are saved do not have eternal life -
Did you get that? THOSE WHO ARE SAVED ___DO NOT___HAVE ETERNAL LIFE!!!

LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

jn 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, HATH eternal life;
and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name
of the Son of God; that YE MAY KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that
ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of
yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
"If one who is born of God has truly repented of committing sin
(chosen to cease from sin) and then deliberately commits sin he has
despised the Holy Spirit, just as the OT the Israelites despised the
Law of God. It is blasphemy!"
"When we are converted all past sins are forgiven. After a person is
born-again, only sins of ignorance are forgiven. If a person sins
with knowledge and intent after that time, they have blasphemed
the Holy Spirit and there is no more sacrifice for sin. See Hebrews
6:1-8; Hebrews 10:26-31."
LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves
are ALSO FOUND SINNERS, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God
forbid.

Apparently, paul understood that even those justified in Christ STILL
SINNED!

Are we sure? Well, let's again test the doctrine of donna kupp by Paul's
own words, written in the last months of his life:

1 tim 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation,
that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I AM
CHIEF.

Wait a minute--I thought Donna said any Christian who willingly commits
even ONE SIN is eternally damned!

Apparently, paul did not realize this when he acknowledged he was the
WORST of sinners in 67 AD when he wrote this, 30+ years after finding
Christ! Thus, he must have been guilty of blaspheming the spirit
according to false teachers harold and donna kupp

What else did Paul have to say about whether Christians do or do not
commit sin in romans 7?

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing:
for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I
find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: BUT THE EVIL WHICH I WOULD NOT,
____THAT I DO___.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin
that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with
me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my
mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my
members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this
death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I
myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Does THAT sound like a man who has reached the state of sinless
perfection like Donna Kupp, who claims any sin she commits is 100%
accidental and unintentional??????

And this is her ultimate blasphemy regarding the blood of Christ...
Blood of Christ covers: 1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light,
as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the
blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. (Only sins
of ignorance)
Notice how donna kupp added the words "Only sins of ignorance" to
pervert John's words? Just as she did with the powerful passage in John
1:1, she rejects the message and inserts her own heretical words flat
out CONTRADICTING what was actually written! John says Christ's blood
cleanses us from ALL sin; Donna adds words to change it to all
UNINTENTIONAL sins, making the blood of Christ LIMITED in its ability to
atone for sin.

Kupp also has missed what Jesus said about how imperfect His followers
will always be:

Luke 4:4 And FORGIVE US OUR SINS; for we also forgive every one that is
indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from
evil.

Meanwhile, THIS is God's true message of salvation:

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become
the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

And while Donna Kupp blasphemes the gospel by claiming we keep--and
actually earn--our salvation through keeping the 10 commandments
perfectly, here is what the SCRIPTURE says about how we stay in right
standing security with God:

1 peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a
lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not
away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 WHO ARE KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD __THROUGH FAITH__ UNTO SALVATION
ready to be revealed in the last time.

So now we see her "gospel" IS NOT the gospel of the New testament. It is
a false gospel that...

A. Requires Bible verses to be rewritten in a heretical manner.
B. Requires adding a clarification to Scripture that TOTALLY overturns
what the Scripture actually SAYS.
C. Must deny the deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit.
D. Requires remaining in a state of salvation by keeping the 10
commandments PERFECTLY, or else the person is now damned without
possibility of repentance.
E. Blasphemes and limits the atoning power of Christ's blood to
"Only sins of ignorance."


4. As we noted, Paul says the MINISTER OF SATAN will actually appear to
be a MINISTER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS! That is what makes them so deceptive.
They are serpents in the guise of sheep, preaching righteous living and
'keeping God's holy law' while in their hearts is satan himself, drawing
people away from TRUE righteousness, to a perverted notion of it based
on keeping commandments!

Take a look at Donna Kupp's deceptive posts, including this one. Every
one touts the keeping of biblical commandments, threatens people with
damnation for failing to keep biblical commandments, and threatenes them
with damnation if anyone should ever--EVEN ONE TIME--willingly BREAK a
biblical commandment.

So Kupp APPEARS to be preaching the righteousness of 'keeping God's holy
commandments'...yet she does it in a way that is an UTTER PERVERSION of
the gospel of grace, and comes right from the mouth of satan speaking
good things, and making her LOOK like a minister of righetousness.

So, summing it up, Paul says that a minister of satan will...

Preach another Jesus...
Preach under another spirit...
Preach a different gospel...
While appearing to be a minister of righteousness while doing so!

I believe Donna Kupp meets ALL FOUR CRITERIA.

Based on the totality of her teachings, I see no conclusion other than
that the "Jesus" she follows is a demon spirit, and the "Yahweh" she
speaks for is actually SATAN.


I am dead to the law by the crucified body of Christ. Are you?
dolf
2012-05-29 21:11:37 UTC
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The Catholic Fascist Voice in Our Country is going to perish and will no
longer be heard.

Did you like the earthquake in Parma, Italy? The bins weren't in
disarray at least.

dolf (0822 hrs 20120529): "The Garbage collectors failed to empty my
bins correctly. Left them in a disarray and physically checked them for
compliance before emptying them.

Obviously this is related to my past complaint about their
non-participation in ANZAC day.

שלא
lo'-not (H3808): #331 = #300, #30, #1

1) not, no
1a) not (with verb - absolute prohibition)
1b) not (with modifier - negation)
1c) nothing (subst)
1d) without (with particle)
1e) before (of time)

- http://www.grapple369.com/grapple.html?zen:3,row:5,col:7

Waste Pariah Dogs & Forgotten Garbage (Butcher Paper & Foam) by a Lone
Gum Tree @ Fitzroy Street, Sale

טבחת
tabach-kill (H2873): #419 = #9, #2, #8, #400

1) to slaughter, slay, butcher, kill ruthlessly
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to slaughter, butcher
1a2) to slay, kill ruthlessly (fig.)

Should any further disparity as preferential service be noted, a legal
claim will be made against you."

Just yesterday, I said, the Catholic (Italian) fascist dogs don't seem
interested in my ANZAC Day miracle:

Where I read out the following in association to a mathematical model
and biblical text as substance of belief and an earthquake occurred in
the Tamar River area of Tasmania, killing one miner.

- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/nous.gif

“We are not ANZACs, We have done nobler deeds than they, Of which you
know nothing. We are not ANZACs because Australians subject us to
Religious persecution. We are not ANZACs because you deny us fair
Justice. We are not ANZACs because you think your race is better than
ours. We are not ANZACs because you deny us Community and Equal
Opportunity. O God Lord of retribution, LORD, God, Lord of retribution,
shine forth. Rise up O judge of the earth, and render an evil recompense
to the proud. How long will the wicked dwell in error? That pour out and
speak blasphemy, all those who deal falsely utter words of shame. They
crush your people. O LORD, and impoverish your inheritance. They kill
the widow and the sojourner and murder the orphans.

And they say, ‘The LORD does not see, and the God of Jacob does not pay
heed.’” [© 2004 The Order of Saint Benedict, Aramaic Targum of Psalm 94:1-7]

“We have Jesus on the cross
Your cold love put him there.
What is now your human loss?
Forever gone and despair.”

As an authoritative statement of fact about one’s own religious belief
as a substance which supersedes and is sovereign to your own unbelief or
disbelief as the belief (accompanying ritual practice) may be such as
Roman Catholicism. We seem to have Catholic et al managing and
disrupting Internet based conversations for years so as to prevent the
fostering of any viable alternative (as degree of belief) to Catholic
dogma as their disbelief in blasphemy which is the lack any real and
tangible Christian identity as unbelief.

I joked with him about what would likely to have happened yesterday and
whether I would have been involuntarily sectioned, if they had known,
that my singular intention was to effect a disdainful brutalisation of
them by the slaughter of the nuns who own the shop--And I proudly
expressed the view of its anticipated effectiveness, in being for them
an especially enhanced and grievous reality by virtue of the fact that
the Catholic nuns live within a worldview as delusional claim to
superiority, where they mistakenly believe there is no verity and surety
greater to their own belief. As they simply have no awareness of
something much greater than them. It therefore has the very real
capability of manifesting a most pronounced distress as uncontrolled
anxieties and palpitations. A loss of bodily function and breathing
control, an incapacity of speech and most probably resulting in death,
as my intentioned act of a most discomforting awareness of a loss of
soul. A judgement and revenge made against them. What do you think is
implied by the claim that I would effect a collapse and forfeiture by
the Catholic Religious Order, who have no remaining legitimacy within
Australian life?

I described to him, my well intentioned purpose, which I conveyed before
even beginning the 3 hrs of pleading my own cause of liberty with the
psychiatrists yesterday. I had sought to protect them (purposefully left
in draft disposition in that specific regard) in relation to the
mechanics of the document. And described it’s capability for manifesting
trauma as notionally equivalent to getting on the cross with Jesus. And
explained to them that whilst no harm was being intentioned towards
them. That should their sensibilities be moved to an empathy with my
representations, they should clearly convey their free accept of it. The
course of my presentation, would then focus on how the methodology, as
recourse to the habitual use of obstructions, which move one towards the
concealment of any intentioned process and instead having a reliance
upon scurrilous distortions of any immediacy and capability for threat
for actuality, has a mitigating effect on the permissibility of
authority under the legislation.

At one point I brought to their attention, the expressed need to avoid
the risky action of reading and consuming the document at too rapid and
careless rate. As you may unnecessarily enter into a painful anxious
state of fear which rendered them incapable of speech. That I was
responding to the outstanding matter of psychiatrist Peter Sternhell’s
slanderous characterisations of the substantial reality, vital
effectiveness and the substance of my own religious belief. The
improper, immodest and blasphemous characterisation by them, as being
irrational and delusional was often repeated without substantiation by
Dr. Meredith Stone (and I have seen her with child). To whom I have also
intentioned to effect a similar retaliation against those persons, as a
consequence to their slanderous, false and haughty characterisations of
me and my belief as delusional and as cause for their sado-masochistic
perversity to which I was then subject to their pleasure and the
pretence as beneficial claim of a therapeutic process. In having
furnished statements and these documents, in substantiation of my legal
entitlements and claim against Saint Vincent’s Hospital, theirs
similarly, is now a requirement as an accord with immediacy and a
priority towards an unequivocal awareness, of their obligation which is
without any further grounds for delay, as a requirement for them to
provide an accountability for their actions and in their absence any
credibility as lawful criteria to provide an apology and restitution for
their past and continuing persecutions. And they will afford me an
appropriate and sovereign dignity in the acknowledgement of the
superiority and correctness of my substantial claim to Christian belief
and over that which was previously claimed of Roman Catholic belief.

That until they all expire, every remaining Roman Catholic, from this
time forward will afford to me an appropriate dignity as my entitlement
which is attained by the sovereign basis of my substantiated claim to
Christian belief and identity--such recognition of my superiority over
the Roman Catholic Church and its fraudulent claims to Christian
identity is to be accompanied by an appropriate gesturing as bowing in
respect of my dignity and a verbalisation which acknowledges the majesty
of my triumphantism over you all.
vince garcia
2012-05-29 22:39:51 UTC
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As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

--Apostle paul
A thousand may pray until their knees are bloody, but if they are not
keeping His Commandments, God says their prayer is an abomination to
Him. Yet the prayers of one one man who abides in Him can change the
"The effectual fervent prayer of a RIGHTEOUS man availeth much."
James 5:16 KJV
“Little children, let no one deceive you. He who DOES RIGHT is
RIGHTEOUS.” 1 John 3:7 RSV
Sounds good, doesn't it? SOUNDS like something a believer in Christ
might really say.

But what is the truth behind what Donna Kupp teaches and believes?

How can we know if this woman is of God or actually a false teacher when
she speaks?

Paul gives us the answer:

2 cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve
through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the
simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not
preached, or if ye receive ANOTHER SPIRIT, which ye have not received,
or ANOTHER GOSPEL, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with
him.

2 cor 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming
themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of
light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed
as the MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS; whose end shall be according to their
works.

Donna Kupp, for those who do not know, is a woman preaching a false
gospel with a false Christ that denies virtually every possible
essential of the Christian faith.

Note here paul's words about false teachers: they will actually be
"MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS"!!!!! Not antinomians, teaching lawlessness
and freedom to sin, but MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, teaching an
apparently good-sounding Gospel that is actually ANOTHER GOSPEL about
ANOTHER JESUS!

Let us test Donna Kupp's own words against the doctrines of
the New Testament and the Christian church, and see if we can determine
whether she is a servant of God, or actually a minister of Satan!

1. First, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach "ANOTHER
JESUS."

Is Donna Kupp's Jesus YOUR Jesus? Is her Jesus the Jesus of
Scripture?

While Donna Kupp just made a number of statements sound like something a
real Christian might make, we cannot make a judgment whether she is or
is not a true Christian based only on what she just posted here. We must
determine if she really teaches the same Jesus REAL Christians follow by
looking at statements she, herself, has made about Christ in the past,
that she may not throw out on a regular basis, because she knows it
reveals what she REALLY thinks about Christ.

So what does she actually say about the Jesus she follows, and
supposedly places faith in?

This...
"In the beginning was Jesus
and Jesus was with THE RULER,
and Jesus was Ruler.
The same was in the beginning with THE RULER."
John was teaching that Jesus was our Ruler (our theos) and that
Jesus was with the Father from the very beginning of creation.
(Not that Jesus was one third of some mysterious and mind-
boggling "Trinity" that no one had ever heard of.)
We can stop right there. Donna Kupp, denying the deity of Christ,
rewrites the Gospel of John in a manner that affirms that denial, so we
can either change all our Bibles to her new trenslation that "proves"
Jesus is NOT fully God, but some other sort of created lesser being, or
we can allow the sacred words of the apostle John to stand AS WRITTEN!

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the WORD
WAS GOD.

So we see her Jesus is ANOTHER JESUS that orthodox Protestants and
Evangelicals (and Catholics) DO NOT believe in.

For US, Jesus is God in flesh, fully God and fully man, and 2nd Person
of the Trinity she goes on to mock and deny.


2. Next, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach or operate under
a "DIFFERENT SPIRIT".

Does Donna Kupp teach and receive anoining by the same Holy Spirit that
REAL Christians follow?

Judge for yourself by her own words.
The concept that the Holy Spirit is God is based on a single verse in
Acts (5:3) where it says that Ananias lied to the Holy Spirit - and
later it says that he lied to God.
To conclude that the Holy Spirit is God on the basis of those verses is
merely an interpretation which adds to what is actually written. Since
the Spirit is the means of communciation between God and man, if you
lie to the Spirit you are in effect lying to God. Are there any verses
which actually say that the Holy Spirit is God?
Not one!
Jesus did not teach the Trinity, the apostles did not teach it, and it
was not taught by church leaders for three hundred years after the
death of Christ.
All REAL Christians believe not only in the deity of Christ, but also
the Godhood of the Holy Spirit. As we see from her own words, Donna
Kupp denies those two essentials of the faith, and proclaims the Holy
Spirit is only some nebulous "means of communication between God and
man"

So now we see she has fulfilled the SECOND warning of Paul--she has
A DIFFERENT SPIRIT than REAL Christians do.

By the way, her LIES about the history of the Trinity are instantly
refutable:

The deity of Christ was EXPLICITLY taught by Ignatius in the early 2nd
century

"To the Church at Ephesus in Asia . . . chosen through true suffering by
the will of the Father in Jesus Christ our God"
"FOR OUR GOD, Jesus Christ, was conceived by Mary in accord with God�s
plan: of the seed of David, it is true, but also of the Holy Spirit"

Letter to the Ephesians 1 110 AD
There is no record of the co-equal, co-eternal, three-in-one God
being taught by a single one of the early church fathers. It
was not a part of Christian teaching until it was formulated by the
Second Ecumenical Council at Constantinople in 381.A.D.
"No record"?


For the Church, although dispersed throughout the whole world even to
the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and from their
disciples the faith in one God, the Father Almighty . . . and in one
Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who became flesh for our salvation; and in
the Holy Spirit

Irenaeus, before 200 AD

And at the same time the mystery of the oikonomia is safeguarded, for
the unity is distributed in a TRINITY. Placed in order, the three are
the Father, Son, and Spirit. They are three, however, not in condition,
but in degree; not in being, but in form; not in power, but in kind; of
one being, however, and one condition and one power, because he is one
God of whom degrees and forms and kinds are taken into account in the
name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit"

Tertullian "Against Praxeas" early 200s AD

For Scripture as much announces Christ AS ALSO GOD, as it announces God
himself as man. It has as much described Jesus Christ to be man, as
moreover it has also described Christ the Lord to be God. Because it
does not set forth him to be the Son of God only, but also the son of
man; nor does it only say, the son of man, but it has also been
accustomed to speak of him as the Son of God. So that being of both, he
is both, lest if he should be one only, he could not be the other. For
as nature itself has prescribed that he must be believed to be a man who
is of man, so the same nature prescribes also that he must be believed
to be God who is of God. . . . Let them, therefore, who read that Jesus
Christ the son of man is man, read also that this same Jesus is called
also God and the Son of God"

Novatian, Treatise on the Trinity 11 235 AD

And now the capstone to Kupp's historial and TEXTUAL illiteracy:

The Lord says: 'I and the Father are one.' And again of the Father and
Son and the Holy Spirit it is written: 'And these three are one'.
Cyprian --Treatise 1 on the unity of the Catholic Church, chapter 6,
early 3rd century, PROVING THE LEGITIMACY OF THE COMMA JOHANNEUM KUPP
(and other historical illiterates) SAY IS A FRAUD.


3. The minister of Satan will also teach "ANOTHER GOSPEL."

Does Donna Kupp uphold the CHRISTIAN gospel? We've already seen she
denies and perverts the nature of Jesus Himself and the precious Holy
Spirit. But what is her actual gospel message? She talks about
obedience, and making Jesus Lord...but what does she really believe
about sin, justification, and sanctification? Does she ever lay out her
beliefs in clear language so the body of Christ can see and judge
whether she is or is not a fellow believer?

Yes!
To be saved is the first step in the process of salvation. Those who
are saved do not have eternal life -
Did you get that? THOSE WHO ARE SAVED ___DO NOT___HAVE ETERNAL LIFE!!!

LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

jn 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, HATH eternal life;
and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name
of the Son of God; that YE MAY KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that
ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of
yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
"If one who is born of God has truly repented of committing sin
(chosen to cease from sin) and then deliberately commits sin he has
despised the Holy Spirit, just as the OT the Israelites despised the
Law of God. It is blasphemy!"
"When we are converted all past sins are forgiven. After a person is
born-again, only sins of ignorance are forgiven. If a person sins
with knowledge and intent after that time, they have blasphemed
the Holy Spirit and there is no more sacrifice for sin. See Hebrews
6:1-8; Hebrews 10:26-31."
LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves
are ALSO FOUND SINNERS, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God
forbid.

Apparently, paul understood that even those justified in Christ STILL
SINNED!

Are we sure? Well, let's again test the doctrine of donna kupp by Paul's
own words, written in the last months of his life:

1 tim 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation,
that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I AM
CHIEF.

Wait a minute--I thought Donna said any Christian who willingly commits
even ONE SIN is eternally damned!

Apparently, paul did not realize this when he acknowledged he was the
WORST of sinners in 67 AD when he wrote this, 30+ years after finding
Christ! Thus, he must have been guilty of blaspheming the spirit
according to false teachers harold and donna kupp

What else did Paul have to say about whether Christians do or do not
commit sin in romans 7?

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing:
for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I
find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: BUT THE EVIL WHICH I WOULD NOT,
____THAT I DO___.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin
that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with
me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my
mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my
members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this
death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I
myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Does THAT sound like a man who has reached the state of sinless
perfection like Donna Kupp, who claims any sin she commits is 100%
accidental and unintentional??????

And this is her ultimate blasphemy regarding the blood of Christ...
Blood of Christ covers: 1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light,
as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the
blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. (Only sins
of ignorance)
Notice how donna kupp added the words "Only sins of ignorance" to
pervert John's words? Just as she did with the powerful passage in John
1:1, she rejects the message and inserts her own heretical words flat
out CONTRADICTING what was actually written! John says Christ's blood
cleanses us from ALL sin; Donna adds words to change it to all
UNINTENTIONAL sins, making the blood of Christ LIMITED in its ability to
atone for sin.

Kupp also has missed what Jesus said about how imperfect His followers
will always be:

Luke 4:4 And FORGIVE US OUR SINS; for we also forgive every one that is
indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from
evil.

Meanwhile, THIS is God's true message of salvation:

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become
the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

And while Donna Kupp blasphemes the gospel by claiming we keep--and
actually earn--our salvation through keeping the 10 commandments
perfectly, here is what the SCRIPTURE says about how we stay in right
standing security with God:

1 peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a
lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not
away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 WHO ARE KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD __THROUGH FAITH__ UNTO SALVATION
ready to be revealed in the last time.

So now we see her "gospel" IS NOT the gospel of the New testament. It is
a false gospel that...

A. Requires Bible verses to be rewritten in a heretical manner.
B. Requires adding a clarification to Scripture that TOTALLY overturns
what the Scripture actually SAYS.
C. Must deny the deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit.
D. Requires remaining in a state of salvation by keeping the 10
commandments PERFECTLY, or else the person is now damned without
possibility of repentance.
E. Blasphemes and limits the atoning power of Christ's blood to
"Only sins of ignorance."


4. As we noted, Paul says the MINISTER OF SATAN will actually appear to
be a MINISTER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS! That is what makes them so deceptive.
They are serpents in the guise of sheep, preaching righteous living and
'keeping God's holy law' while in their hearts is satan himself, drawing
people away from TRUE righteousness, to a perverted notion of it based
on keeping commandments!

Take a look at Donna Kupp's deceptive posts, including this one. Every
one touts the keeping of biblical commandments, threatens people with
damnation for failing to keep biblical commandments, and threatenes them
with damnation if anyone should ever--EVEN ONE TIME--willingly BREAK a
biblical commandment.

So Kupp APPEARS to be preaching the righteousness of 'keeping God's holy
commandments'...yet she does it in a way that is an UTTER PERVERSION of
the gospel of grace, and comes right from the mouth of satan speaking
good things, and making her LOOK like a minister of righetousness.

So, summing it up, Paul says that a minister of satan will...

Preach another Jesus...
Preach under another spirit...
Preach a different gospel...
While appearing to be a minister of righteousness while doing so!

I believe Donna Kupp meets ALL FOUR CRITERIA.

Based on the totality of her teachings, I see no conclusion other than
that the "Jesus" she follows is a demon spirit, and the "Yahweh" she
speaks for is actually SATAN.


I am dead to the law by the crucified body of Christ. Are you?
dolf
2012-05-30 21:35:39 UTC
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Do you know what that means Ike?

About the war in Iraq?

About the war in Afghanistan?

About the second World War?

Mr Peter Bowditch has a lot to answer for.

From dust he has come and to dust he will return.
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Post by dolf
"Did u pee on the Eternal Flame, yet again Dufus?"
Mr Peter Bowditch is as a person of British decent who is engaged
in racial, sexual and religious vilification of our Constitutional
Rights.
And I am most adamant about eventually bringing that fascist cunt
to his knees in showing a proper respect.
Dolt - please fuck off.
<snip evidence of insanity>
Post by dolf
"Dolf the dolt fails Turing test" [BARRY OGRADY]
Let me repeat it for you Barry: "Irish dogs such as Barry OGRADY
make ANZAC day a day to forget!"
...said the fool relying on Babylonian-originating Kabbalist
teachings.
Oh no Ike, I make no dependency on an indestructible atom as a geometric
construction and usage of manufactured spacial overlay:

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As any other legislative obligations enacted and given assent to by any
particular dispensation {ie. a system of order, government, or
organization of a nation, community, etc., especially as existing at a
particular time} of governance having power to rule as enumerated within
its Kabbalistic systemic conception by the Theory of Number (the Decade)
as: #1 - KETHER (Crown) to #10 - MALKUTH (Kingdom).

I don't even make a dependency on the emanation of MAGIC SQUARE #0 CE as
HETEROS (MALE/FEMALE MARRIAGE -- WHAT IS SIN & WICKEDNESS?) autonomic
transformative prototype and symbolic associator to the series #15 CE,
#34 CE, #65 CE, #111 CE, #175 CE, #260 CE, #369 CE ... #2000 Y2K

I get the dispensational basis of governance shown above by memetic
specific colour attributions {ie. vBronze: #69, vPurple: #9, vRed: #32,
vBlue: #20, vOrange: #61, vGreen: #73, vYellow: #35, vCyan: #58, vCoral:
#41} accompanying the conception of SEPTET MAGIC SQUARES which provides
an equitable distribution of NUMBER and MEMETIC NATURAL PROCESS OF ORDER
& CHANGE AS “CHAD” GOVERNANCE

So, summing it up, Paul says that a minister of satan will...

Preach another Jesus...
Preach under another spirit...
Preach a different gospel...
While appearing to be a minister of righteousness while doing so!

I believe Vince Garcia and the Roman Catholic Chuch meets ALL FOUR CRITERIA.

Based on the totality of their teachings, I see no conclusion other than
that the "Jesus" they follow is a demon spirit, and the "Yahweh" they
speaks for is actually SATAN.

I am dead to the law by the crucified body of Christ. Are you?

The Catholic Fascist Voice in Our Country is going to perish and will no
longer be heard.

Did you like the earthquake in Parma, Italy? The bins weren't in
disarray at least.

dolf (0822 hrs 20120529): "The Garbage collectors failed to empty my
bins correctly. Left them in a disarray and physically checked them for
compliance before emptying them.

Obviously this is related to my past complaint about their
non-participation in ANZAC day.

שלא
lo'-not (H3808): #331 = #300, #30, #1

1) not, no
1a) not (with verb - absolute prohibition)
1b) not (with modifier - negation)
1c) nothing (subst)
1d) without (with particle)
1e) before (of time)

- http://www.grapple369.com/grapple.html?zen:3,row:5,col:7

Waste Pariah Dogs & Forgotten Garbage (Butcher Paper & Foam) by a Lone
Gum Tree @ Fitzroy Street, Sale

טבחת
tabach-kill (H2873): #419 = #9, #2, #8, #400

1) to slaughter, slay, butcher, kill ruthlessly
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to slaughter, butcher
1a2) to slay, kill ruthlessly (fig.)

Should any further disparity as preferential service be noted, a legal
claim will be made against you."

Just yesterday, I said, the Catholic (Italian) fascist dogs don't seem
interested in my ANZAC Day miracle:

Where I read out the following in association to a mathematical model
and biblical text as substance of belief and an earthquake occurred in
the Tamar River area of Tasmania, killing one miner.

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“We are not ANZACs, We have done nobler deeds than they, Of which you
know nothing. We are not ANZACs because Australians subject us to
Religious persecution. We are not ANZACs because you deny us fair
Justice. We are not ANZACs because you think your race is better than
ours. We are not ANZACs because you deny us Community and Equal
Opportunity. O God Lord of retribution, LORD, God, Lord of retribution,
shine forth. Rise up O judge of the earth, and render an evil recompense
to the proud. How long will the wicked dwell in error? That pour out and
speak blasphemy, all those who deal falsely utter words of shame. They
crush your people. O LORD, and impoverish your inheritance. They kill
the widow and the sojourner and murder the orphans.

And they say, ‘The LORD does not see, and the God of Jacob does not pay
heed.’” [© 2004 The Order of Saint Benedict, Aramaic Targum of Psalm 94:1-7]

“We have Jesus on the cross
Your cold love put him there.
What is now your human loss?
Forever gone and despair.”

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As an authoritative statement of fact about one’s own religious belief
as a substance which supersedes and is sovereign to your own unbelief or
disbelief as the belief (accompanying ritual practice) may be such as
Roman Catholicism. We seem to have Catholic et al managing and
disrupting Internet based conversations for years so as to prevent the
fostering of any viable alternative (as degree of belief) to Catholic
dogma as their disbelief in blasphemy which is the lack any real and
tangible Christian identity as unbelief.

I joked with him about what would likely to have happened yesterday and
whether I would have been involuntarily sectioned, if they had known,
that my singular intention was to effect a disdainful brutalisation of
them by the slaughter of the nuns who own the shop--And I proudly
expressed the view of its anticipated effectiveness, in being for them
an especially enhanced and grievous reality by virtue of the fact that
the Catholic nuns live within a worldview as delusional claim to
superiority, where they mistakenly believe there is no verity and surety
greater to their own belief. As they simply have no awareness of
something much greater than them. It therefore has the very real
capability of manifesting a most pronounced distress as uncontrolled
anxieties and palpitations. A loss of bodily function and breathing
control, an incapacity of speech and most probably resulting in death,
as my intentioned act of a most discomforting awareness of a loss of
soul. A judgement and revenge made against them. What do you think is
implied by the claim that I would effect a collapse and forfeiture by
the Catholic Religious Order, who have no remaining legitimacy within
Australian life?

I described to him, my well intentioned purpose, which I conveyed before
even beginning the 3 hrs of pleading my own cause of liberty with the
psychiatrists yesterday. I had sought to protect them (purposefully left
in draft disposition in that specific regard) in relation to the
mechanics of the document. And described it’s capability for manifesting
trauma as notionally equivalent to getting on the cross with Jesus. And
explained to them that whilst no harm was being intentioned towards
them. That should their sensibilities be moved to an empathy with my
representations, they should clearly convey their free accept of it. The
course of my presentation, would then focus on how the methodology, as
recourse to the habitual use of obstructions, which move one towards the
concealment of any intentioned process and instead having a reliance
upon scurrilous distortions of any immediacy and capability for threat
for actuality, has a mitigating effect on the permissibility of
authority under the legislation.

At one point I brought to their attention, the expressed need to avoid
the risky action of reading and consuming the document at too rapid and
careless rate. As you may unnecessarily enter into a painful anxious
state of fear which rendered them incapable of speech. That I was
responding to the outstanding matter of psychiatrist Peter Sternhell’s
slanderous characterisations of the substantial reality, vital
effectiveness and the substance of my own religious belief. The
improper, immodest and blasphemous characterisation by them, as being
irrational and delusional was often repeated without substantiation by
Dr. Meredith Stone (and I have seen her with child). To whom I have also
intentioned to effect a similar retaliation against those persons, as a
consequence to their slanderous, false and haughty characterisations of
me and my belief as delusional and as cause for their sado-masochistic
perversity to which I was then subject to their pleasure and the
pretence as beneficial claim of a therapeutic process. In having
furnished statements and these documents, in substantiation of my legal
entitlements and claim against Saint Vincent’s Hospital, theirs
similarly, is now a requirement as an accord with immediacy and a
priority towards an unequivocal awareness, of their obligation which is
without any further grounds for delay, as a requirement for them to
provide an accountability for their actions and in their absence any
credibility as lawful criteria to provide an apology and restitution for
their past and continuing persecutions. And they will afford me an
appropriate and sovereign dignity in the acknowledgement of the
superiority and correctness of my substantial claim to Christian belief
and over that which was previously claimed of Roman Catholic belief.

That until they all expire, every remaining Roman Catholic, from this
time forward will afford to me an appropriate dignity as my entitlement
which is attained by the sovereign basis of my substantiated claim to
Christian belief and identity--such recognition of my superiority over
the Roman Catholic Church and its fraudulent claims to Christian
identity is to be accompanied by an appropriate gesturing as bowing in
respect of my dignity and a verbalisation which acknowledges the majesty
of my triumphantism over you all.

On 29/05/12 9:17 PM, vince garcia wrote:
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#20 / ***@zen: 5, row: 3, col: 3, nous: 7 [Super: #397 / #46 -
Guiding Contentment, Moderation of Desire; I-Ching: H1 - Creative
Principle/Heaven; Tetra: 37 - Purity, Ego: #403 / #7 - Intentional
Reversal, Dimming Radiance; I-Ching: H12 - Stagnation; Tetra: 56 -
Closed Mouth] {Transforming Nature {DOUBLE: Form of Nature {Autonomous
Nature}}}

In relation to this notion of The Decade is the meaning of Yom Kippur as
a ritual of nullification held over a 10 day period commencing a new
Moon on 18 September 2001 (as my particular interest for synchronising
the centre of the Grapple Temporal / Noumenal Reality for a 5 day period
being #41 on 13 September 2001 as a centrifugal model comprising septet
#369 magic squares with the solar / lunar chronological cycle and
rational representation of PI / ENNEAD) and the Dead Sea Scroll
chronological principle which is a cosmological straight line--hence
transcendent--in having a starting point on the Equinox of Wednesday 20
March 1996 with a new Moon on Thursday 21 March for a base 7 Numbering
system intrinsic to the cosmogony as rational representation of PI.

In that for 3 x 364 days = 1092 days there was a lunar/solar comparison
of 3 x 354 lunar years + 30 days = 1092 days. There are in a cycle of 5
x 364 days + 182 days (as a 1/2 cycle) two fragments in the Dead Sea
Scroll relics related to the 1st day of the 7th solar month as occurring
on 12 September 2001 and the 21st priestly course starting on Sunday 16
September 2001 which fragment also brings together an association of the
solar and lunar cycles which appear to have been a readily observable
phenomenon.

In that this has according to the Dead Sea Scrolls, a reprise in a 294 x
364 day years as 6 Jubilees or 293 x 365.2423 days (just short of the
tropical years, but technologically better than the Julian calendar of
365.25 days instigated in 45 BCE and reformed in 1582 CE (1751 CE in
British Empire) by the Gregorian calendar reforms due to an
intercalation error resulting in a lost of synchronicity comprising a
magnitude loss of one day every 128 years. This forms the basis for
arguing a metaphysical and cosmological origin of language as 22
elements of the Hebrew letters which is otherwise shown geometrically as
an indestructible object (atom) in the association of the 10 as Decade
(as Greek and Ennead as Egyptian notions) and counts (number) and the 22
letters as 3 horizontal (Mother letters), 7 vertical lines (Double
letters) and 12 diagonal lines (Single letters):


Kabbalistic Tree of Life
ATZILUTH {1st as “World of Emanation” also known as Olam Atzilut, עולם
אצילות in Hebrew}
BRIYAH {2nd as “World of Creation” also known as Olam Briyah, עולם בריאה
in Hebrew}
YETZIRAH {3rd as “World of Formation” also known as Olam Yetsirah, עולם
יצירה in Hebrew}
ASSIYAH {4th as “World of Action” also known as Olam Asiyah, עולם עשיה
in Hebrew}

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This is Chaldean / Babylonian in Origins: Hebrew letters as described in
the “Sefer Yetzirah”

YETZIRAH as in “Making" is as opposed to BRIYAH as in "Creating"
Actually taking whatever matter that was created in the BRIYAH and
shaping it into the basic elements.

It is also possible to divide the number of days in 400 years in the
Gregorian calendar reforms as 146,097 days by 7 and that when made
divisible by 22 to obtain the remainder, and to arrange the Hebrew
letters in a pattern which has a remainder of #13 as being in the middle
of the Chinese 2 BCE published DAO TE CHING / I CHING division of the
year into 364.5 days and the Jewish Kabbalah equivalent which deployed a
magic square of #369 having a distinct mathematical property at centre
of #41 for the equivalent date of 13 September.

#0 MOD 22 = 22 [#TAU / #400] as 4000 BCE
#400 MOD 22 = 17 [#PE / #80]
#800 MOD 22 = 12 [#LAMED / #30]
#1200 MOD 22 = 7 [#ZAYIN / #7]
#1600 MOD 22 = 2 [#BETH / #2]
#2000 MOD 22 = 19 [#QOPH / #100]
#2400 MOD 22 = 14 [#NUN / #50]
#2800 MOD 22 = 9 [#TETH / #9]
#3200 MOD 22 = 4 [#DALETH / #4]
#3600 MOD 22 = 21 [#SHIN / #300]
#4000 MOD 22 = 16 [#'AYIN / #70] = #0 CE as HETEROS (MALE/FEMALE
MARRIAGE -- WHAT IS SIN & WICKEDNESS?) autonomic transformative
prototype and symbolic associator to the series #15 CE, #34 CE, #65 CE,
#111 CE, #175 CE, #260 CE, #369 CE ... #2000 Y2K
#4400 MOD 22 = 11 [#KAF / #20] = #400 CE
#4800 MOD 22 = 6 [#VAV / #6] = #800 CE
#5200 MOD 22 = 1 [#ALEPH / #1] = #1200 CE
#5600 MOD 22 = 18 [#TSADE / #90] = #1600 CE
#6000 MOD 22 = 13 [#MEM / #40] = #2000 Y2K / Equinox of DATE(1996,3,20)
+ (5 * 364) + 182 days = Wednesday DATE(2001,9,12) with Equinox of
Saturday DATE(2001,9,23) commencing the Sabbath year of 'oth cycle

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#6400 MOD 22 = 8 [#CHET / #8]
#6800 MOD 22 = 3 [#GIMEL / #3]
#7200 MOD 22 = 20 [#RESH / #200]
#7600 MOD 22 = 15 [#SAMEK / #60]
#8000 MOD 22 = 10 [#YOD / #10]
#8400 MOD 22 = 5 [#HE / #5]
#8800 MOD 22 = 22 [#TAU / #400] as 8800 CE

In many instances, the Torah also uses words and phrases in ways that
cannot be understood in their literal sense. There are a number of very
obvious examples of this in the narrative of the Creation, for the
metaphysical events that took place at that time were far removed from
the natural order of the world we know today. They could not have been
accurately described in ways that we can understand, nor in language
that we can relate to. For example, the Torah tells us how God brought
the world into being through speech, when in fact He created the world
through a form of thought. When the Torah describes God's thought
process as speech, it makes it easier for us to grasp the idea on our
own level. [Copyright © 2001 by Rabbi Daniel Travis and www.Torah.org]

dolf: “Fascist Dogs BroilJAB & Uergil discuss their creation denial!”

BroilJAB (***@wmconnect.com): “The deviant creationists twist
and turn, twist the words of the faithful.

Sad it is to see them like this.”

Uergil (***@uer.net): “If there is any damnation, it is the nation
creationists inhabit.”

dolf: “Vurgil or Uirgit? (***@arg.erg / ***@uirgil.ur)

Or is it now Uergil?

Creationist denial has its roots in German political theatre.

Numerological and mystic speculation was especially rife amongst German
Romantics and Naturphilosophien during the nineteenth century and grew
out of ancient teleological speculations concerning the harmonious
distribution of the heavenly bodies. Such speculation was by no means
confined to the celestial motions; in 1818 the Kantian mineralogist
Christian Weiss even argues for a link between aspects of
rhombic-dodecahedral crystal structure and the musical scale of tones!
However, such flights of imaginative fancy generally had little impact
upon the work of serious scientists; with one notable exception.

In 1766 Johann Daniel Titius von Wittenberg was preparing a German
translation of Charles Bonnet’s Contemplation de la Nature. To the
section on planetary motions he added a now famous footnote pointing out
that the radii of all the planetary orbits can be generated by the
following simple algorithm, where r is measured in astronomical units (1
AU = 1.496 x 1013 cm):


rn = 0.4 + 0.3 x 2n; n = 0,1,2…


This formula provided a striking approximation for the distance from the
Sun to the six then-known planets: Mercury {Measured: 0.39, Predicted:
0.4}, Venus {Measured: 0.72, Predicted: 0.7}, Earth {Measured: 1.00,
Predicted: 1.0}, Mars {Measured: 1.52, Predicted: 1.6}, Jupiter
{Measured: 5.20, Predicted: 5.2}, Saturn {Measured: 9.55, Predicted:
10.0}. Their measured distances from the Sun at the time of the Law’s
inception are indicated together with Titius’ predictions. [Rediscovery
of the Anthropic Principle, John Barrow & Frank Tipler, The Anthropic
Cosmological Principle, © 1996, p 221]

There is no more opportunity for repentance--and neither for forgiveness.

To hell with you!”

#21 / ***@zen: 5, row: 3, col: 7, nous: 67 [Super: #313 / #24 -
Important Distinctions, Trouble from Indulgence; I-Ching: H5 - Delay;
Tetra: 18 - Waiting, Ego: #462 / #67 - Three Treasures; I-Ching: H10 -
Tread Carefully; Tetra: 48 - Ritual] {Autonomous Nature {MOTHER: Scales
of Liability}}

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Post by dolf
More bankrupt apologies from catholic dogs.
They can be reqarded as equally fascist because they wanted the same
crown and control of marriage as the basis for global governance.
Post by dolf
I'm still waiting for the Catholic nuns of Saint Vincent's
Hospital to give an accountability for their persecution as
racial, sexual and religious vilification of me.
You deserved it.
vince garcia
2012-05-30 21:36:45 UTC
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As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

--Apostle paul
A thousand may pray until their knees are bloody, but if they are not
keeping His Commandments, God says their prayer is an abomination to
Him. Yet the prayers of one one man who abides in Him can change the
"The effectual fervent prayer of a RIGHTEOUS man availeth much."
James 5:16 KJV
“Little children, let no one deceive you. He who DOES RIGHT is
RIGHTEOUS.” 1 John 3:7 RSV
Sounds good, doesn't it? SOUNDS like something a believer in Christ
might really say.

But what is the truth behind what Donna Kupp teaches and believes?

How can we know if this woman is of God or actually a false teacher when
she speaks?

Paul gives us the answer:

2 cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve
through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the
simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not
preached, or if ye receive ANOTHER SPIRIT, which ye have not received,
or ANOTHER GOSPEL, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with
him.

2 cor 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming
themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of
light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed
as the MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS; whose end shall be according to their
works.

Donna Kupp, for those who do not know, is a woman preaching a false
gospel with a false Christ that denies virtually every possible
essential of the Christian faith.

Note here paul's words about false teachers: they will actually be
"MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS"!!!!! Not antinomians, teaching lawlessness
and freedom to sin, but MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, teaching an
apparently good-sounding Gospel that is actually ANOTHER GOSPEL about
ANOTHER JESUS!

Let us test Donna Kupp's own words against the doctrines of
the New Testament and the Christian church, and see if we can determine
whether she is a servant of God, or actually a minister of Satan!

1. First, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach "ANOTHER
JESUS."

Is Donna Kupp's Jesus YOUR Jesus? Is her Jesus the Jesus of
Scripture?

While Donna Kupp just made a number of statements sound like something a
real Christian might make, we cannot make a judgment whether she is or
is not a true Christian based only on what she just posted here. We must
determine if she really teaches the same Jesus REAL Christians follow by
looking at statements she, herself, has made about Christ in the past,
that she may not throw out on a regular basis, because she knows it
reveals what she REALLY thinks about Christ.

So what does she actually say about the Jesus she follows, and
supposedly places faith in?

This...
"In the beginning was Jesus
and Jesus was with THE RULER,
and Jesus was Ruler.
The same was in the beginning with THE RULER."
John was teaching that Jesus was our Ruler (our theos) and that
Jesus was with the Father from the very beginning of creation.
(Not that Jesus was one third of some mysterious and mind-
boggling "Trinity" that no one had ever heard of.)
We can stop right there. Donna Kupp, denying the deity of Christ,
rewrites the Gospel of John in a manner that affirms that denial, so we
can either change all our Bibles to her new trenslation that "proves"
Jesus is NOT fully God, but some other sort of created lesser being, or
we can allow the sacred words of the apostle John to stand AS WRITTEN!

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the WORD
WAS GOD.

So we see her Jesus is ANOTHER JESUS that orthodox Protestants and
Evangelicals (and Catholics) DO NOT believe in.

For US, Jesus is God in flesh, fully God and fully man, and 2nd Person
of the Trinity she goes on to mock and deny.


2. Next, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach or operate under
a "DIFFERENT SPIRIT".

Does Donna Kupp teach and receive anoining by the same Holy Spirit that
REAL Christians follow?

Judge for yourself by her own words.
The concept that the Holy Spirit is God is based on a single verse in
Acts (5:3) where it says that Ananias lied to the Holy Spirit - and
later it says that he lied to God.
To conclude that the Holy Spirit is God on the basis of those verses is
merely an interpretation which adds to what is actually written. Since
the Spirit is the means of communciation between God and man, if you
lie to the Spirit you are in effect lying to God. Are there any verses
which actually say that the Holy Spirit is God?
Not one!
Jesus did not teach the Trinity, the apostles did not teach it, and it
was not taught by church leaders for three hundred years after the
death of Christ.
All REAL Christians believe not only in the deity of Christ, but also
the Godhood of the Holy Spirit. As we see from her own words, Donna
Kupp denies those two essentials of the faith, and proclaims the Holy
Spirit is only some nebulous "means of communication between God and
man"

So now we see she has fulfilled the SECOND warning of Paul--she has
A DIFFERENT SPIRIT than REAL Christians do.

By the way, her LIES about the history of the Trinity are instantly
refutable:

The deity of Christ was EXPLICITLY taught by Ignatius in the early 2nd
century

"To the Church at Ephesus in Asia . . . chosen through true suffering by
the will of the Father in Jesus Christ our God"
"FOR OUR GOD, Jesus Christ, was conceived by Mary in accord with God�s
plan: of the seed of David, it is true, but also of the Holy Spirit"

Letter to the Ephesians 1 110 AD
There is no record of the co-equal, co-eternal, three-in-one God
being taught by a single one of the early church fathers. It
was not a part of Christian teaching until it was formulated by the
Second Ecumenical Council at Constantinople in 381.A.D.
"No record"?


For the Church, although dispersed throughout the whole world even to
the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and from their
disciples the faith in one God, the Father Almighty . . . and in one
Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who became flesh for our salvation; and in
the Holy Spirit

Irenaeus, before 200 AD

And at the same time the mystery of the oikonomia is safeguarded, for
the unity is distributed in a TRINITY. Placed in order, the three are
the Father, Son, and Spirit. They are three, however, not in condition,
but in degree; not in being, but in form; not in power, but in kind; of
one being, however, and one condition and one power, because he is one
God of whom degrees and forms and kinds are taken into account in the
name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit"

Tertullian "Against Praxeas" early 200s AD

For Scripture as much announces Christ AS ALSO GOD, as it announces God
himself as man. It has as much described Jesus Christ to be man, as
moreover it has also described Christ the Lord to be God. Because it
does not set forth him to be the Son of God only, but also the son of
man; nor does it only say, the son of man, but it has also been
accustomed to speak of him as the Son of God. So that being of both, he
is both, lest if he should be one only, he could not be the other. For
as nature itself has prescribed that he must be believed to be a man who
is of man, so the same nature prescribes also that he must be believed
to be God who is of God. . . . Let them, therefore, who read that Jesus
Christ the son of man is man, read also that this same Jesus is called
also God and the Son of God"

Novatian, Treatise on the Trinity 11 235 AD

And now the capstone to Kupp's historial and TEXTUAL illiteracy:

The Lord says: 'I and the Father are one.' And again of the Father and
Son and the Holy Spirit it is written: 'And these three are one'.
Cyprian --Treatise 1 on the unity of the Catholic Church, chapter 6,
early 3rd century, PROVING THE LEGITIMACY OF THE COMMA JOHANNEUM KUPP
(and other historical illiterates) SAY IS A FRAUD.


3. The minister of Satan will also teach "ANOTHER GOSPEL."

Does Donna Kupp uphold the CHRISTIAN gospel? We've already seen she
denies and perverts the nature of Jesus Himself and the precious Holy
Spirit. But what is her actual gospel message? She talks about
obedience, and making Jesus Lord...but what does she really believe
about sin, justification, and sanctification? Does she ever lay out her
beliefs in clear language so the body of Christ can see and judge
whether she is or is not a fellow believer?

Yes!
To be saved is the first step in the process of salvation. Those who
are saved do not have eternal life -
Did you get that? THOSE WHO ARE SAVED ___DO NOT___HAVE ETERNAL LIFE!!!

LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

jn 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, HATH eternal life;
and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name
of the Son of God; that YE MAY KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that
ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of
yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
"If one who is born of God has truly repented of committing sin
(chosen to cease from sin) and then deliberately commits sin he has
despised the Holy Spirit, just as the OT the Israelites despised the
Law of God. It is blasphemy!"
"When we are converted all past sins are forgiven. After a person is
born-again, only sins of ignorance are forgiven. If a person sins
with knowledge and intent after that time, they have blasphemed
the Holy Spirit and there is no more sacrifice for sin. See Hebrews
6:1-8; Hebrews 10:26-31."
LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves
are ALSO FOUND SINNERS, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God
forbid.

Apparently, paul understood that even those justified in Christ STILL
SINNED!

Are we sure? Well, let's again test the doctrine of donna kupp by Paul's
own words, written in the last months of his life:

1 tim 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation,
that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I AM
CHIEF.

Wait a minute--I thought Donna said any Christian who willingly commits
even ONE SIN is eternally damned!

Apparently, paul did not realize this when he acknowledged he was the
WORST of sinners in 67 AD when he wrote this, 30+ years after finding
Christ! Thus, he must have been guilty of blaspheming the spirit
according to false teachers harold and donna kupp

What else did Paul have to say about whether Christians do or do not
commit sin in romans 7?

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing:
for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I
find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: BUT THE EVIL WHICH I WOULD NOT,
____THAT I DO___.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin
that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with
me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my
mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my
members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this
death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I
myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Does THAT sound like a man who has reached the state of sinless
perfection like Donna Kupp, who claims any sin she commits is 100%
accidental and unintentional??????

And this is her ultimate blasphemy regarding the blood of Christ...
Blood of Christ covers: 1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light,
as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the
blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. (Only sins
of ignorance)
Notice how donna kupp added the words "Only sins of ignorance" to
pervert John's words? Just as she did with the powerful passage in John
1:1, she rejects the message and inserts her own heretical words flat
out CONTRADICTING what was actually written! John says Christ's blood
cleanses us from ALL sin; Donna adds words to change it to all
UNINTENTIONAL sins, making the blood of Christ LIMITED in its ability to
atone for sin.

Kupp also has missed what Jesus said about how imperfect His followers
will always be:

Luke 4:4 And FORGIVE US OUR SINS; for we also forgive every one that is
indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from
evil.

Meanwhile, THIS is God's true message of salvation:

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become
the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

And while Donna Kupp blasphemes the gospel by claiming we keep--and
actually earn--our salvation through keeping the 10 commandments
perfectly, here is what the SCRIPTURE says about how we stay in right
standing security with God:

1 peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a
lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not
away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 WHO ARE KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD __THROUGH FAITH__ UNTO SALVATION
ready to be revealed in the last time.

So now we see her "gospel" IS NOT the gospel of the New testament. It is
a false gospel that...

A. Requires Bible verses to be rewritten in a heretical manner.
B. Requires adding a clarification to Scripture that TOTALLY overturns
what the Scripture actually SAYS.
C. Must deny the deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit.
D. Requires remaining in a state of salvation by keeping the 10
commandments PERFECTLY, or else the person is now damned without
possibility of repentance.
E. Blasphemes and limits the atoning power of Christ's blood to
"Only sins of ignorance."


4. As we noted, Paul says the MINISTER OF SATAN will actually appear to
be a MINISTER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS! That is what makes them so deceptive.
They are serpents in the guise of sheep, preaching righteous living and
'keeping God's holy law' while in their hearts is satan himself, drawing
people away from TRUE righteousness, to a perverted notion of it based
on keeping commandments!

Take a look at Donna Kupp's deceptive posts, including this one. Every
one touts the keeping of biblical commandments, threatens people with
damnation for failing to keep biblical commandments, and threatenes them
with damnation if anyone should ever--EVEN ONE TIME--willingly BREAK a
biblical commandment.

So Kupp APPEARS to be preaching the righteousness of 'keeping God's holy
commandments'...yet she does it in a way that is an UTTER PERVERSION of
the gospel of grace, and comes right from the mouth of satan speaking
good things, and making her LOOK like a minister of righetousness.

So, summing it up, Paul says that a minister of satan will...

Preach another Jesus...
Preach under another spirit...
Preach a different gospel...
While appearing to be a minister of righteousness while doing so!

I believe Donna Kupp meets ALL FOUR CRITERIA.

Based on the totality of her teachings, I see no conclusion other than
that the "Jesus" she follows is a demon spirit, and the "Yahweh" she
speaks for is actually SATAN.


I am dead to the law by the crucified body of Christ. Are you?
dolf
2012-05-30 21:34:23 UTC
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Do you know what that means Ike?

About the war in Iraq?

About the war in Afghanistan?

About the second World War?

Mr Peter Bowditch has a lot to answer for.

From dust he has come and to dust he will return.
Post by dolf
Post by dolf
"Did u pee on the Eternal Flame, yet again Dufus?"
Mr Peter Bowditch is as a person of British decent who is engaged
in racial, sexual and religious vilification of our Constitutional
Rights.
And I am most adamant about eventually bringing that fascist cunt
to his knees in showing a proper respect.
Dolt - please fuck off.
<snip evidence of insanity>
Post by dolf
"Dolf the dolt fails Turing test" [BARRY OGRADY]
Let me repeat it for you Barry: "Irish dogs such as Barry OGRADY
make ANZAC day a day to forget!"
...said the fool relying on Babylonian-originating Kabbalist
teachings.
Oh no Ike, I make no dependency on an indestructible atom as a geometric
construction and usage of manufactured spacial overlay:

- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/tree.gif
- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/yetziratic_wheel.png

As any other legislative obligations enacted and given assent to by any
particular dispensation {ie. a system of order, government, or
organization of a nation, community, etc., especially as existing at a
particular time} of governance having power to rule as enumerated within
its Kabbalistic systemic conception by the Theory of Number (the Decade)
as: #1 - KETHER (Crown) to #10 - MALKUTH (Kingdom).

I don't even make a dependency on the emanation of MAGIC SQUARE #0 CE as
HETEROS (MALE/FEMALE MARRIAGE -- WHAT IS SIN & WICKEDNESS?) autonomic
transformative prototype and symbolic associator to the series #15 CE,
#34 CE, #65 CE, #111 CE, #175 CE, #260 CE, #369 CE ... #2000 Y2K

I get the dispensational basis of governance shown above by memetic
specific colour attributions {ie. vBronze: #69, vPurple: #9, vRed: #32,
vBlue: #20, vOrange: #61, vGreen: #73, vYellow: #35, vCyan: #58, vCoral:
#41} accompanying the conception of SEPTET MAGIC SQUARES which provides
an equitable distribution of NUMBER and MEMETIC NATURAL PROCESS OF ORDER
& CHANGE AS “CHAD” GOVERNANCE

So, summing it up, Paul says that a minister of satan will...

Preach another Jesus...
Preach under another spirit...
Preach a different gospel...
While appearing to be a minister of righteousness while doing so!

I believe Vince Garcia and the Roman Catholic Chuch meets ALL FOUR CRITERIA.

Based on the totality of their teachings, I see no conclusion other than
that the "Jesus" they follow is a demon spirit, and the "Yahweh" they
speaks for is actually SATAN.

I am dead to the law by the crucified body of Christ. Are you?

The Catholic Fascist Voice in Our Country is going to perish and will no
longer be heard.

Did you like the earthquake in Parma, Italy? The bins weren't in
disarray at least.

dolf (0822 hrs 20120529): "The Garbage collectors failed to empty my
bins correctly. Left them in a disarray and physically checked them for
compliance before emptying them.

Obviously this is related to my past complaint about their
non-participation in ANZAC day.

שלא
lo'-not (H3808): #331 = #300, #30, #1

1) not, no
1a) not (with verb - absolute prohibition)
1b) not (with modifier - negation)
1c) nothing (subst)
1d) without (with particle)
1e) before (of time)

- http://www.grapple369.com/grapple.html?zen:3,row:5,col:7

Waste Pariah Dogs & Forgotten Garbage (Butcher Paper & Foam) by a Lone
Gum Tree @ Fitzroy Street, Sale

טבחת
tabach-kill (H2873): #419 = #9, #2, #8, #400

1) to slaughter, slay, butcher, kill ruthlessly
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to slaughter, butcher
1a2) to slay, kill ruthlessly (fig.)

Should any further disparity as preferential service be noted, a legal
claim will be made against you."

Just yesterday, I said, the Catholic (Italian) fascist dogs don't seem
interested in my ANZAC Day miracle:

Where I read out the following in association to a mathematical model
and biblical text as substance of belief and an earthquake occurred in
the Tamar River area of Tasmania, killing one miner.

- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/nous.gif

“We are not ANZACs, We have done nobler deeds than they, Of which you
know nothing. We are not ANZACs because Australians subject us to
Religious persecution. We are not ANZACs because you deny us fair
Justice. We are not ANZACs because you think your race is better than
ours. We are not ANZACs because you deny us Community and Equal
Opportunity. O God Lord of retribution, LORD, God, Lord of retribution,
shine forth. Rise up O judge of the earth, and render an evil recompense
to the proud. How long will the wicked dwell in error? That pour out and
speak blasphemy, all those who deal falsely utter words of shame. They
crush your people. O LORD, and impoverish your inheritance. They kill
the widow and the sojourner and murder the orphans.

And they say, ‘The LORD does not see, and the God of Jacob does not pay
heed.’” [© 2004 The Order of Saint Benedict, Aramaic Targum of Psalm 94:1-7]

“We have Jesus on the cross
Your cold love put him there.
What is now your human loss?
Forever gone and despair.”

- http://www.grapple369.com/Being_files/crucified.gif

As an authoritative statement of fact about one’s own religious belief
as a substance which supersedes and is sovereign to your own unbelief or
disbelief as the belief (accompanying ritual practice) may be such as
Roman Catholicism. We seem to have Catholic et al managing and
disrupting Internet based conversations for years so as to prevent the
fostering of any viable alternative (as degree of belief) to Catholic
dogma as their disbelief in blasphemy which is the lack any real and
tangible Christian identity as unbelief.

I joked with him about what would likely to have happened yesterday and
whether I would have been involuntarily sectioned, if they had known,
that my singular intention was to effect a disdainful brutalisation of
them by the slaughter of the nuns who own the shop--And I proudly
expressed the view of its anticipated effectiveness, in being for them
an especially enhanced and grievous reality by virtue of the fact that
the Catholic nuns live within a worldview as delusional claim to
superiority, where they mistakenly believe there is no verity and surety
greater to their own belief. As they simply have no awareness of
something much greater than them. It therefore has the very real
capability of manifesting a most pronounced distress as uncontrolled
anxieties and palpitations. A loss of bodily function and breathing
control, an incapacity of speech and most probably resulting in death,
as my intentioned act of a most discomforting awareness of a loss of
soul. A judgement and revenge made against them. What do you think is
implied by the claim that I would effect a collapse and forfeiture by
the Catholic Religious Order, who have no remaining legitimacy within
Australian life?

I described to him, my well intentioned purpose, which I conveyed before
even beginning the 3 hrs of pleading my own cause of liberty with the
psychiatrists yesterday. I had sought to protect them (purposefully left
in draft disposition in that specific regard) in relation to the
mechanics of the document. And described it’s capability for manifesting
trauma as notionally equivalent to getting on the cross with Jesus. And
explained to them that whilst no harm was being intentioned towards
them. That should their sensibilities be moved to an empathy with my
representations, they should clearly convey their free accept of it. The
course of my presentation, would then focus on how the methodology, as
recourse to the habitual use of obstructions, which move one towards the
concealment of any intentioned process and instead having a reliance
upon scurrilous distortions of any immediacy and capability for threat
for actuality, has a mitigating effect on the permissibility of
authority under the legislation.

At one point I brought to their attention, the expressed need to avoid
the risky action of reading and consuming the document at too rapid and
careless rate. As you may unnecessarily enter into a painful anxious
state of fear which rendered them incapable of speech. That I was
responding to the outstanding matter of psychiatrist Peter Sternhell’s
slanderous characterisations of the substantial reality, vital
effectiveness and the substance of my own religious belief. The
improper, immodest and blasphemous characterisation by them, as being
irrational and delusional was often repeated without substantiation by
Dr. Meredith Stone (and I have seen her with child). To whom I have also
intentioned to effect a similar retaliation against those persons, as a
consequence to their slanderous, false and haughty characterisations of
me and my belief as delusional and as cause for their sado-masochistic
perversity to which I was then subject to their pleasure and the
pretence as beneficial claim of a therapeutic process. In having
furnished statements and these documents, in substantiation of my legal
entitlements and claim against Saint Vincent’s Hospital, theirs
similarly, is now a requirement as an accord with immediacy and a
priority towards an unequivocal awareness, of their obligation which is
without any further grounds for delay, as a requirement for them to
provide an accountability for their actions and in their absence any
credibility as lawful criteria to provide an apology and restitution for
their past and continuing persecutions. And they will afford me an
appropriate and sovereign dignity in the acknowledgement of the
superiority and correctness of my substantial claim to Christian belief
and over that which was previously claimed of Roman Catholic belief.

That until they all expire, every remaining Roman Catholic, from this
time forward will afford to me an appropriate dignity as my entitlement
which is attained by the sovereign basis of my substantiated claim to
Christian belief and identity--such recognition of my superiority over
the Roman Catholic Church and its fraudulent claims to Christian
identity is to be accompanied by an appropriate gesturing as bowing in
respect of my dignity and a verbalisation which acknowledges the majesty
of my triumphantism over you all.

On 29/05/12 9:17 PM, vince garcia wrote:
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#20 / ***@zen: 5, row: 3, col: 3, nous: 7 [Super: #397 / #46 -
Guiding Contentment, Moderation of Desire; I-Ching: H1 - Creative
Principle/Heaven; Tetra: 37 - Purity, Ego: #403 / #7 - Intentional
Reversal, Dimming Radiance; I-Ching: H12 - Stagnation; Tetra: 56 -
Closed Mouth] {Transforming Nature {DOUBLE: Form of Nature {Autonomous
Nature}}}

In relation to this notion of The Decade is the meaning of Yom Kippur as
a ritual of nullification held over a 10 day period commencing a new
Moon on 18 September 2001 (as my particular interest for synchronising
the centre of the Grapple Temporal / Noumenal Reality for a 5 day period
being #41 on 13 September 2001 as a centrifugal model comprising septet
#369 magic squares with the solar / lunar chronological cycle and
rational representation of PI / ENNEAD) and the Dead Sea Scroll
chronological principle which is a cosmological straight line--hence
transcendent--in having a starting point on the Equinox of Wednesday 20
March 1996 with a new Moon on Thursday 21 March for a base 7 Numbering
system intrinsic to the cosmogony as rational representation of PI.

In that for 3 x 364 days = 1092 days there was a lunar/solar comparison
of 3 x 354 lunar years + 30 days = 1092 days. There are in a cycle of 5
x 364 days + 182 days (as a 1/2 cycle) two fragments in the Dead Sea
Scroll relics related to the 1st day of the 7th solar month as occurring
on 12 September 2001 and the 21st priestly course starting on Sunday 16
September 2001 which fragment also brings together an association of the
solar and lunar cycles which appear to have been a readily observable
phenomenon.

In that this has according to the Dead Sea Scrolls, a reprise in a 294 x
364 day years as 6 Jubilees or 293 x 365.2423 days (just short of the
tropical years, but technologically better than the Julian calendar of
365.25 days instigated in 45 BCE and reformed in 1582 CE (1751 CE in
British Empire) by the Gregorian calendar reforms due to an
intercalation error resulting in a lost of synchronicity comprising a
magnitude loss of one day every 128 years. This forms the basis for
arguing a metaphysical and cosmological origin of language as 22
elements of the Hebrew letters which is otherwise shown geometrically as
an indestructible object (atom) in the association of the 10 as Decade
(as Greek and Ennead as Egyptian notions) and counts (number) and the 22
letters as 3 horizontal (Mother letters), 7 vertical lines (Double
letters) and 12 diagonal lines (Single letters):


Kabbalistic Tree of Life
ATZILUTH {1st as “World of Emanation” also known as Olam Atzilut, עולם
אצילות in Hebrew}
BRIYAH {2nd as “World of Creation” also known as Olam Briyah, עולם בריאה
in Hebrew}
YETZIRAH {3rd as “World of Formation” also known as Olam Yetsirah, עולם
יצירה in Hebrew}
ASSIYAH {4th as “World of Action” also known as Olam Asiyah, עולם עשיה
in Hebrew}

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- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/yetziratic_wheel.png

This is Chaldean / Babylonian in Origins: Hebrew letters as described in
the “Sefer Yetzirah”

YETZIRAH as in “Making" is as opposed to BRIYAH as in "Creating"
Actually taking whatever matter that was created in the BRIYAH and
shaping it into the basic elements.

It is also possible to divide the number of days in 400 years in the
Gregorian calendar reforms as 146,097 days by 7 and that when made
divisible by 22 to obtain the remainder, and to arrange the Hebrew
letters in a pattern which has a remainder of #13 as being in the middle
of the Chinese 2 BCE published DAO TE CHING / I CHING division of the
year into 364.5 days and the Jewish Kabbalah equivalent which deployed a
magic square of #369 having a distinct mathematical property at centre
of #41 for the equivalent date of 13 September.

#0 MOD 22 = 22 [#TAU / #400] as 4000 BCE
#400 MOD 22 = 17 [#PE / #80]
#800 MOD 22 = 12 [#LAMED / #30]
#1200 MOD 22 = 7 [#ZAYIN / #7]
#1600 MOD 22 = 2 [#BETH / #2]
#2000 MOD 22 = 19 [#QOPH / #100]
#2400 MOD 22 = 14 [#NUN / #50]
#2800 MOD 22 = 9 [#TETH / #9]
#3200 MOD 22 = 4 [#DALETH / #4]
#3600 MOD 22 = 21 [#SHIN / #300]
#4000 MOD 22 = 16 [#'AYIN / #70] = #0 CE as HETEROS (MALE/FEMALE
MARRIAGE -- WHAT IS SIN & WICKEDNESS?) autonomic transformative
prototype and symbolic associator to the series #15 CE, #34 CE, #65 CE,
#111 CE, #175 CE, #260 CE, #369 CE ... #2000 Y2K
#4400 MOD 22 = 11 [#KAF / #20] = #400 CE
#4800 MOD 22 = 6 [#VAV / #6] = #800 CE
#5200 MOD 22 = 1 [#ALEPH / #1] = #1200 CE
#5600 MOD 22 = 18 [#TSADE / #90] = #1600 CE
#6000 MOD 22 = 13 [#MEM / #40] = #2000 Y2K / Equinox of DATE(1996,3,20)
+ (5 * 364) + 182 days = Wednesday DATE(2001,9,12) with Equinox of
Saturday DATE(2001,9,23) commencing the Sabbath year of 'oth cycle

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#6400 MOD 22 = 8 [#CHET / #8]
#6800 MOD 22 = 3 [#GIMEL / #3]
#7200 MOD 22 = 20 [#RESH / #200]
#7600 MOD 22 = 15 [#SAMEK / #60]
#8000 MOD 22 = 10 [#YOD / #10]
#8400 MOD 22 = 5 [#HE / #5]
#8800 MOD 22 = 22 [#TAU / #400] as 8800 CE

In many instances, the Torah also uses words and phrases in ways that
cannot be understood in their literal sense. There are a number of very
obvious examples of this in the narrative of the Creation, for the
metaphysical events that took place at that time were far removed from
the natural order of the world we know today. They could not have been
accurately described in ways that we can understand, nor in language
that we can relate to. For example, the Torah tells us how God brought
the world into being through speech, when in fact He created the world
through a form of thought. When the Torah describes God's thought
process as speech, it makes it easier for us to grasp the idea on our
own level. [Copyright © 2001 by Rabbi Daniel Travis and www.Torah.org]

dolf: “Fascist Dogs BroilJAB & Uergil discuss their creation denial!”

BroilJAB (***@wmconnect.com): “The deviant creationists twist
and turn, twist the words of the faithful.

Sad it is to see them like this.”

Uergil (***@uer.net): “If there is any damnation, it is the nation
creationists inhabit.”

dolf: “Vurgil or Uirgit? (***@arg.erg / ***@uirgil.ur)

Or is it now Uergil?

Creationist denial has its roots in German political theatre.

Numerological and mystic speculation was especially rife amongst German
Romantics and Naturphilosophien during the nineteenth century and grew
out of ancient teleological speculations concerning the harmonious
distribution of the heavenly bodies. Such speculation was by no means
confined to the celestial motions; in 1818 the Kantian mineralogist
Christian Weiss even argues for a link between aspects of
rhombic-dodecahedral crystal structure and the musical scale of tones!
However, such flights of imaginative fancy generally had little impact
upon the work of serious scientists; with one notable exception.

In 1766 Johann Daniel Titius von Wittenberg was preparing a German
translation of Charles Bonnet’s Contemplation de la Nature. To the
section on planetary motions he added a now famous footnote pointing out
that the radii of all the planetary orbits can be generated by the
following simple algorithm, where r is measured in astronomical units (1
AU = 1.496 x 1013 cm):


rn = 0.4 + 0.3 x 2n; n = 0,1,2…


This formula provided a striking approximation for the distance from the
Sun to the six then-known planets: Mercury {Measured: 0.39, Predicted:
0.4}, Venus {Measured: 0.72, Predicted: 0.7}, Earth {Measured: 1.00,
Predicted: 1.0}, Mars {Measured: 1.52, Predicted: 1.6}, Jupiter
{Measured: 5.20, Predicted: 5.2}, Saturn {Measured: 9.55, Predicted:
10.0}. Their measured distances from the Sun at the time of the Law’s
inception are indicated together with Titius’ predictions. [Rediscovery
of the Anthropic Principle, John Barrow & Frank Tipler, The Anthropic
Cosmological Principle, © 1996, p 221]

There is no more opportunity for repentance--and neither for forgiveness.

To hell with you!”

#21 / ***@zen: 5, row: 3, col: 7, nous: 67 [Super: #313 / #24 -
Important Distinctions, Trouble from Indulgence; I-Ching: H5 - Delay;
Tetra: 18 - Waiting, Ego: #462 / #67 - Three Treasures; I-Ching: H10 -
Tread Carefully; Tetra: 48 - Ritual] {Autonomous Nature {MOTHER: Scales
of Liability}}

"dolf" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:***@hotmail.com...
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Post by dolf
More bankrupt apologies from catholic dogs.
They can be reqarded as equally fascist because they wanted the same
crown and control of marriage as the basis for global governance.
Post by dolf
I'm still waiting for the Catholic nuns of Saint Vincent's
Hospital to give an accountability for their persecution as
racial, sexual and religious vilification of me.
You deserved it.
vince garcia
2012-05-30 21:37:17 UTC
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As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

--Apostle paul
A thousand may pray until their knees are bloody, but if they are not
keeping His Commandments, God says their prayer is an abomination to
Him. Yet the prayers of one one man who abides in Him can change the
"The effectual fervent prayer of a RIGHTEOUS man availeth much."
James 5:16 KJV
“Little children, let no one deceive you. He who DOES RIGHT is
RIGHTEOUS.” 1 John 3:7 RSV
Sounds good, doesn't it? SOUNDS like something a believer in Christ
might really say.

But what is the truth behind what Donna Kupp teaches and believes?

How can we know if this woman is of God or actually a false teacher when
she speaks?

Paul gives us the answer:

2 cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve
through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the
simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not
preached, or if ye receive ANOTHER SPIRIT, which ye have not received,
or ANOTHER GOSPEL, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with
him.

2 cor 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming
themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of
light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed
as the MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS; whose end shall be according to their
works.

Donna Kupp, for those who do not know, is a woman preaching a false
gospel with a false Christ that denies virtually every possible
essential of the Christian faith.

Note here paul's words about false teachers: they will actually be
"MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS"!!!!! Not antinomians, teaching lawlessness
and freedom to sin, but MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, teaching an
apparently good-sounding Gospel that is actually ANOTHER GOSPEL about
ANOTHER JESUS!

Let us test Donna Kupp's own words against the doctrines of
the New Testament and the Christian church, and see if we can determine
whether she is a servant of God, or actually a minister of Satan!

1. First, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach "ANOTHER
JESUS."

Is Donna Kupp's Jesus YOUR Jesus? Is her Jesus the Jesus of
Scripture?

While Donna Kupp just made a number of statements sound like something a
real Christian might make, we cannot make a judgment whether she is or
is not a true Christian based only on what she just posted here. We must
determine if she really teaches the same Jesus REAL Christians follow by
looking at statements she, herself, has made about Christ in the past,
that she may not throw out on a regular basis, because she knows it
reveals what she REALLY thinks about Christ.

So what does she actually say about the Jesus she follows, and
supposedly places faith in?

This...
"In the beginning was Jesus
and Jesus was with THE RULER,
and Jesus was Ruler.
The same was in the beginning with THE RULER."
John was teaching that Jesus was our Ruler (our theos) and that
Jesus was with the Father from the very beginning of creation.
(Not that Jesus was one third of some mysterious and mind-
boggling "Trinity" that no one had ever heard of.)
We can stop right there. Donna Kupp, denying the deity of Christ,
rewrites the Gospel of John in a manner that affirms that denial, so we
can either change all our Bibles to her new trenslation that "proves"
Jesus is NOT fully God, but some other sort of created lesser being, or
we can allow the sacred words of the apostle John to stand AS WRITTEN!

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the WORD
WAS GOD.

So we see her Jesus is ANOTHER JESUS that orthodox Protestants and
Evangelicals (and Catholics) DO NOT believe in.

For US, Jesus is God in flesh, fully God and fully man, and 2nd Person
of the Trinity she goes on to mock and deny.


2. Next, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach or operate under
a "DIFFERENT SPIRIT".

Does Donna Kupp teach and receive anoining by the same Holy Spirit that
REAL Christians follow?

Judge for yourself by her own words.
The concept that the Holy Spirit is God is based on a single verse in
Acts (5:3) where it says that Ananias lied to the Holy Spirit - and
later it says that he lied to God.
To conclude that the Holy Spirit is God on the basis of those verses is
merely an interpretation which adds to what is actually written. Since
the Spirit is the means of communciation between God and man, if you
lie to the Spirit you are in effect lying to God. Are there any verses
which actually say that the Holy Spirit is God?
Not one!
Jesus did not teach the Trinity, the apostles did not teach it, and it
was not taught by church leaders for three hundred years after the
death of Christ.
All REAL Christians believe not only in the deity of Christ, but also
the Godhood of the Holy Spirit. As we see from her own words, Donna
Kupp denies those two essentials of the faith, and proclaims the Holy
Spirit is only some nebulous "means of communication between God and
man"

So now we see she has fulfilled the SECOND warning of Paul--she has
A DIFFERENT SPIRIT than REAL Christians do.

By the way, her LIES about the history of the Trinity are instantly
refutable:

The deity of Christ was EXPLICITLY taught by Ignatius in the early 2nd
century

"To the Church at Ephesus in Asia . . . chosen through true suffering by
the will of the Father in Jesus Christ our God"
"FOR OUR GOD, Jesus Christ, was conceived by Mary in accord with God�s
plan: of the seed of David, it is true, but also of the Holy Spirit"

Letter to the Ephesians 1 110 AD
There is no record of the co-equal, co-eternal, three-in-one God
being taught by a single one of the early church fathers. It
was not a part of Christian teaching until it was formulated by the
Second Ecumenical Council at Constantinople in 381.A.D.
"No record"?


For the Church, although dispersed throughout the whole world even to
the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and from their
disciples the faith in one God, the Father Almighty . . . and in one
Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who became flesh for our salvation; and in
the Holy Spirit

Irenaeus, before 200 AD

And at the same time the mystery of the oikonomia is safeguarded, for
the unity is distributed in a TRINITY. Placed in order, the three are
the Father, Son, and Spirit. They are three, however, not in condition,
but in degree; not in being, but in form; not in power, but in kind; of
one being, however, and one condition and one power, because he is one
God of whom degrees and forms and kinds are taken into account in the
name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit"

Tertullian "Against Praxeas" early 200s AD

For Scripture as much announces Christ AS ALSO GOD, as it announces God
himself as man. It has as much described Jesus Christ to be man, as
moreover it has also described Christ the Lord to be God. Because it
does not set forth him to be the Son of God only, but also the son of
man; nor does it only say, the son of man, but it has also been
accustomed to speak of him as the Son of God. So that being of both, he
is both, lest if he should be one only, he could not be the other. For
as nature itself has prescribed that he must be believed to be a man who
is of man, so the same nature prescribes also that he must be believed
to be God who is of God. . . . Let them, therefore, who read that Jesus
Christ the son of man is man, read also that this same Jesus is called
also God and the Son of God"

Novatian, Treatise on the Trinity 11 235 AD

And now the capstone to Kupp's historial and TEXTUAL illiteracy:

The Lord says: 'I and the Father are one.' And again of the Father and
Son and the Holy Spirit it is written: 'And these three are one'.
Cyprian --Treatise 1 on the unity of the Catholic Church, chapter 6,
early 3rd century, PROVING THE LEGITIMACY OF THE COMMA JOHANNEUM KUPP
(and other historical illiterates) SAY IS A FRAUD.


3. The minister of Satan will also teach "ANOTHER GOSPEL."

Does Donna Kupp uphold the CHRISTIAN gospel? We've already seen she
denies and perverts the nature of Jesus Himself and the precious Holy
Spirit. But what is her actual gospel message? She talks about
obedience, and making Jesus Lord...but what does she really believe
about sin, justification, and sanctification? Does she ever lay out her
beliefs in clear language so the body of Christ can see and judge
whether she is or is not a fellow believer?

Yes!
To be saved is the first step in the process of salvation. Those who
are saved do not have eternal life -
Did you get that? THOSE WHO ARE SAVED ___DO NOT___HAVE ETERNAL LIFE!!!

LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

jn 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, HATH eternal life;
and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name
of the Son of God; that YE MAY KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that
ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of
yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
"If one who is born of God has truly repented of committing sin
(chosen to cease from sin) and then deliberately commits sin he has
despised the Holy Spirit, just as the OT the Israelites despised the
Law of God. It is blasphemy!"
"When we are converted all past sins are forgiven. After a person is
born-again, only sins of ignorance are forgiven. If a person sins
with knowledge and intent after that time, they have blasphemed
the Holy Spirit and there is no more sacrifice for sin. See Hebrews
6:1-8; Hebrews 10:26-31."
LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves
are ALSO FOUND SINNERS, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God
forbid.

Apparently, paul understood that even those justified in Christ STILL
SINNED!

Are we sure? Well, let's again test the doctrine of donna kupp by Paul's
own words, written in the last months of his life:

1 tim 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation,
that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I AM
CHIEF.

Wait a minute--I thought Donna said any Christian who willingly commits
even ONE SIN is eternally damned!

Apparently, paul did not realize this when he acknowledged he was the
WORST of sinners in 67 AD when he wrote this, 30+ years after finding
Christ! Thus, he must have been guilty of blaspheming the spirit
according to false teachers harold and donna kupp

What else did Paul have to say about whether Christians do or do not
commit sin in romans 7?

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing:
for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I
find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: BUT THE EVIL WHICH I WOULD NOT,
____THAT I DO___.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin
that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with
me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my
mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my
members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this
death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I
myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Does THAT sound like a man who has reached the state of sinless
perfection like Donna Kupp, who claims any sin she commits is 100%
accidental and unintentional??????

And this is her ultimate blasphemy regarding the blood of Christ...
Blood of Christ covers: 1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light,
as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the
blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. (Only sins
of ignorance)
Notice how donna kupp added the words "Only sins of ignorance" to
pervert John's words? Just as she did with the powerful passage in John
1:1, she rejects the message and inserts her own heretical words flat
out CONTRADICTING what was actually written! John says Christ's blood
cleanses us from ALL sin; Donna adds words to change it to all
UNINTENTIONAL sins, making the blood of Christ LIMITED in its ability to
atone for sin.

Kupp also has missed what Jesus said about how imperfect His followers
will always be:

Luke 4:4 And FORGIVE US OUR SINS; for we also forgive every one that is
indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from
evil.

Meanwhile, THIS is God's true message of salvation:

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become
the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

And while Donna Kupp blasphemes the gospel by claiming we keep--and
actually earn--our salvation through keeping the 10 commandments
perfectly, here is what the SCRIPTURE says about how we stay in right
standing security with God:

1 peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a
lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not
away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 WHO ARE KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD __THROUGH FAITH__ UNTO SALVATION
ready to be revealed in the last time.

So now we see her "gospel" IS NOT the gospel of the New testament. It is
a false gospel that...

A. Requires Bible verses to be rewritten in a heretical manner.
B. Requires adding a clarification to Scripture that TOTALLY overturns
what the Scripture actually SAYS.
C. Must deny the deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit.
D. Requires remaining in a state of salvation by keeping the 10
commandments PERFECTLY, or else the person is now damned without
possibility of repentance.
E. Blasphemes and limits the atoning power of Christ's blood to
"Only sins of ignorance."


4. As we noted, Paul says the MINISTER OF SATAN will actually appear to
be a MINISTER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS! That is what makes them so deceptive.
They are serpents in the guise of sheep, preaching righteous living and
'keeping God's holy law' while in their hearts is satan himself, drawing
people away from TRUE righteousness, to a perverted notion of it based
on keeping commandments!

Take a look at Donna Kupp's deceptive posts, including this one. Every
one touts the keeping of biblical commandments, threatens people with
damnation for failing to keep biblical commandments, and threatenes them
with damnation if anyone should ever--EVEN ONE TIME--willingly BREAK a
biblical commandment.

So Kupp APPEARS to be preaching the righteousness of 'keeping God's holy
commandments'...yet she does it in a way that is an UTTER PERVERSION of
the gospel of grace, and comes right from the mouth of satan speaking
good things, and making her LOOK like a minister of righetousness.

So, summing it up, Paul says that a minister of satan will...

Preach another Jesus...
Preach under another spirit...
Preach a different gospel...
While appearing to be a minister of righteousness while doing so!

I believe Donna Kupp meets ALL FOUR CRITERIA.

Based on the totality of her teachings, I see no conclusion other than
that the "Jesus" she follows is a demon spirit, and the "Yahweh" she
speaks for is actually SATAN.


I am dead to the law by the crucified body of Christ. Are you?
dolf
2012-05-27 20:42:25 UTC
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We seem to have Catholic dogs like vince garcia and duke managing
conversations for years so as to prevent the fostering of any viable
alternative (as degree of belief) to Catholic dogma as their disbelief
in blasphemy which is the lack any real and tangible Christian identity
as unbelief.
Post by vince garcia
I belive she is NOT struggling, but simplky giving into full blown
heresy.
FYI: Want some reading material?
Prayers to the apostles, saints and Mary are an abomination!
http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/1789862/prayers-to-the-apostles-saints-and-mary-are-an-abomination
The legion of mary
http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/1140570/the-legion-of-mary
It would seem that we are being subject to a systematic campaign of
fascist based religious, racial and sexual prejudices by Uergil and his
supposed atheist mates.

"We have Jesus on the cross
Your cold love put him there.
What is now your human loss?
Forever gone and despair."

What gives BroilJAB (***@wmconnect.com) away is his unusual
capacity as a claimed atheist, to call the Pontiff holy when he is in
fact perverse.

It would appear that once again, we have mongrel catholic dogs engaged
in public campaigns of disinformation and vilification of the truth,
which diminishes our human rights.

dolf: “Wasn’t the Pope recently asked on: ‘Creationists need [for a]
Catholic vision’?”



BroilJAB (***@wmconnect.com): “Lets hope the Holy Pontiff
sets many creationists back on the right path.”



Vurgil or Uirgit? (***@arg.erg / ***@uirgil.ur): “It would be a
great improvement.”



dolf: “He knows Greedy!”



BroilJAB (***@wmconnect.com): “From what I understand.”



Vurgil or Uirgit? (***@arg.erg / ***@uirgil.ur): “Which is nothing!”



dolf: “Is it painful? 

Very soon being Roman Catholic will be prima
facie proof of guilt in claims of crimes against the dignity of the
'Sovereign Autonomy' made under the Commonwealth of Australia.”



#20 / ***@zen: 5, row: 3, col: 3, nous: 7 [Super: #397 / #46 -
Guiding Contentment, Moderation of Desire; I-Ching: H1 - Creative
Principle/Heaven; Tetra: 37 - Purity, Ego: #403 / #7 - Intentional
Reversal, Dimming Radiance; I-Ching: H12 - Stagnation; Tetra: 56 -
Closed Mouth] {Transforming Nature {DOUBLE: Form of Nature {Autonomous
Nature}}}

In relation to this notion of The Decade is the meaning of Yom Kippur as
a ritual of nullification held over a 10 day period commencing a new
Moon on 18 September 2001 (as my particular interest for synchronising
the centre of the Grapple Temporal / Noumenal Reality for a 5 day period
being #41 on 13 September 2001 as a centrifugal model comprising septet
#369 magic squares with the solar / lunar chronological cycle and
rational representation of PI / ENNEAD) and the Dead Sea Scroll
chronological principle which is a cosmological straight line--hence
transcendent--in having a starting point on the Equinox of Wednesday 20
March 1996 with a new Moon on Thursday 21 March for a base 7 Numbering
system intrinsic to the cosmogony as rational representation of PI.

In that for 3 x 364 days = 1092 days there was a lunar/solar comparison
of 3 x 354 lunar years + 30 days = 1092 days. There are in a cycle of 5
x 364 days + 182 days (as a 1/2 cycle) two fragments in the Dead Sea
Scroll relics related to the 1st day of the 7th solar month as occurring
on 12 September 2001 and the 21st priestly course starting on Sunday 16
September 2001 which fragment also brings together an association of the
solar and lunar cycles which appear to have been a readily observable
phenomenon.

In that this has according to the Dead Sea Scrolls, a reprise in a 294 x
364 day years as 6 Jubilees or 293 x 365.2423 days (just short of the
tropical years, but technologically better than the Julian calendar of
365.25 days instigated in 45 BCE and reformed in 1582 CE (1751 CE in
British Empire) by the Gregorian calendar reforms due to an
intercalation error resulting in a lost of synchronicity comprising a
magnitude loss of one day every 128 years. This forms the basis for
arguing a metaphysical and cosmological origin of language as 22
elements of the Hebrew letters which is otherwise shown geometrically as
an indestructible object (atom) in the association of the 10 as Decade
(as Greek and Ennead as Egyptian notions) and counts (number) and the 22
letters as 3 horizontal (Mother letters), 7 vertical lines (Double
letters) and 12 diagonal lines (Single letters):

Kabbalistic Tree of Life

ATZILUTH {1st as “World of Emanation” also known as Olam Atzilut, עולם
אצילות in Hebrew}

BRIYAH {2nd as “World of Creation” also known as Olam Briyah, עולם בריאה
in Hebrew}

YETZIRAH {3rd as “World of Formation” also known as Olam Yetsirah, עולם
יצירה in Hebrew}

ASSIYAH {4th as “World of Action” also known as Olam Asiyah, עולם עשיה
in Hebrew}

- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/tree.gif
- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/yetziratic_wheel.png

This is Chaldean / Babylonian in Origins: Hebrew letters as described in
the “Sefer Yetzirah”

YETZIRAH as in “Making" is as opposed to BRIYAH as in "Creating"
Actually taking whatever matter that was created in the BRIYAH and
shaping it into the basic elements.

It is also possible to divide the number of days in 400 years in the
Gregorian calendar reforms as 146,097 days by 7 and that when made
divisible by 22 to obtain the remainder, and to arrange the Hebrew
letters in a pattern which has a remainder of #13 as being in the middle
of the Chinese 2 BCE published DAO TE CHING / I CHING division of the
year into 364.5 days and the Jewish Kabbalah equivalent which deployed a
magic square of #369 having a distinct mathematical property at centre
of #41 for the equivalent date of 13 September.

#0 MOD 22 = 22 [#TAU / #400] as 4000 BCE
#400 MOD 22 = 17 [#PE / #80]
#800 MOD 22 = 12 [#LAMED / #30]
#1200 MOD 22 = 7 [#ZAYIN / #7]
#1600 MOD 22 = 2 [#BETH / #2]
#2000 MOD 22 = 19 [#QOPH / #100]
#2400 MOD 22 = 14 [#NUN / #50]
#2800 MOD 22 = 9 [#TETH / #9]
#3200 MOD 22 = 4 [#DALETH / #4]
#3600 MOD 22 = 21 [#SHIN / #300]
#4000 MOD 22 = 16 [#'AYIN / #70] = #0 CE as HETEROS (MALE/FEMALE
MARRIAGE -- WHAT IS SIN & WICKEDNESS?) autonomic transformative
prototype and symbolic associator to the series #15 CE, #34 CE, #65 CE,
#111 CE, #175 CE, #260 CE, #369 CE ... #2000 Y2K
#4400 MOD 22 = 11 [#KAF / #20] = #400 CE
#4800 MOD 22 = 6 [#VAV / #6] = #800 CE
#5200 MOD 22 = 1 [#ALEPH / #1] = #1200 CE
#5600 MOD 22 = 18 [#TSADE / #90] = #1600 CE
#6000 MOD 22 = 13 [#MEM / #40] = #2000 Y2K / Equinox of DATE(1996,3,20)
+ (5 * 364) + 182 days = Wednesday DATE(2001,9,12) with Equinox of
Saturday DATE(2001,9,23) commencing the Sabbath year of 'oth cycle

- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/toth9.gif

#6400 MOD 22 = 8 [#CHET / #8]
#6800 MOD 22 = 3 [#GIMEL / #3]
#7200 MOD 22 = 20 [#RESH / #200]
#7600 MOD 22 = 15 [#SAMEK / #60]
#8000 MOD 22 = 10 [#YOD / #10]
#8400 MOD 22 = 5 [#HE / #5]
#8800 MOD 22 = 22 [#TAU / #400] as 8800 CE

In many instances, the Torah also uses words and phrases in ways that
cannot be understood in their literal sense. There are a number of very
obvious examples of this in the narrative of the Creation, for the
metaphysical events that took place at that time were far removed from
the natural order of the world we know today. They could not have been
accurately described in ways that we can understand, nor in language
that we can relate to. For example, the Torah tells us how God brought
the world into being through speech, when in fact He created the world
through a form of thought. When the Torah describes God's thought
process as speech, it makes it easier for us to grasp the idea on our
own level. [Copyright © 2001 by Rabbi Daniel Travis and www.Torah.org]

dolf: “Fascist Dogs BroilJAB & Uergil discuss their creation denial!”

BroilJAB (***@wmconnect.com): “The deviant creationists twist
and turn, twist the words of the faithful.

Sad it is to see them like this.”

Uergil (***@uer.net): “If there is any damnation, it is the nation
creationists inhabit.”

dolf: “Vurgil or Uirgit? (***@arg.erg / ***@uirgil.ur)

Or is it now Uergil?

Creationist denial has its roots in German political theatre.

Numerological and mystic speculation was especially rife amongst German
Romantics and Naturphilosophien during the nineteenth century and grew
out of ancient teleological speculations concerning the harmonious
distribution of the heavenly bodies. Such speculation was by no means
confined to the celestial motions; in 1818 the Kantian mineralogist
Christian Weiss even argues for a link between aspects of
rhombic-dodecahedral crystal structure and the musical scale of tones!
However, such flights of imaginative fancy generally had little impact
upon the work of serious scientists; with one notable exception.

In 1766 Johann Daniel Titius von Wittenberg was preparing a German
translation of Charles Bonnet’s Contemplation de la Nature. To the
section on planetary motions he added a now famous footnote pointing out
that the radii of all the planetary orbits can be generated by the
following simple algorithm, where r is measured in astronomical units (1
AU = 1.496 x 1013 cm):


rn = 0.4 + 0.3 x 2n; n = 0,1,2…


This formula provided a striking approximation for the distance from the
Sun to the six then-known planets: Mercury {Measured: 0.39, Predicted:
0.4}, Venus {Measured: 0.72, Predicted: 0.7}, Earth {Measured: 1.00,
Predicted: 1.0}, Mars {Measured: 1.52, Predicted: 1.6}, Jupiter
{Measured: 5.20, Predicted: 5.2}, Saturn {Measured: 9.55, Predicted:
10.0}. Their measured distances from the Sun at the time of the Law’s
inception are indicated together with Titius’ predictions. [Rediscovery
of the Anthropic Principle, John Barrow & Frank Tipler, The Anthropic
Cosmological Principle, © 1996, p 221]

There is no more opportunity for repentance--and neither for forgiveness.

To hell with you!”

#21 / ***@zen: 5, row: 3, col: 7, nous: 67 [Super: #313 / #24 -
Important Distinctions, Trouble from Indulgence; I-Ching: H5 - Delay;
Tetra: 18 - Waiting, Ego: #462 / #67 - Three Treasures; I-Ching: H10 -
Tread Carefully; Tetra: 48 - Ritual] {Autonomous Nature {MOTHER: Scales
of Liability}}
vince garcia
2012-05-27 22:22:24 UTC
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As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, LET HIM BE ACCURSED.

--Apostle paul



John 1:1 DKV
Donna Kupp version
"In the beginning was Jesus
and Jesus was with THE RULER,
and Jesus was Ruler.
vs

Everyone else's translations...
_______________________________________________________________________


John 1:1 CJB
Complete Jewish Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 ESV
English Standard Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 HNV
Hebrew Names Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 KJV
King James Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 ASV
American Standard Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 BBE
Bible in Basic English
From the first he was the Word, and the Word was in relation with God
and was God.


John 1:1 CEB
Common English Bible
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was
God.


John 1:1 RHE
Douay-Rheims
In the beginning was the Word: and the Word was with God: and the Word
was God.

John 1:1 GW
GOD'S WORD Translation
In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and
the Word was God.

John 1:1 GNT
Good News Translation
In the beginning the Word already existed; the Word was with God, and
the Word was God.


John 1:1 CSB
Holman Christian Standard
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 LEB
Lexham English Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.

New American Standard
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 NCV
New Century Version
In the beginning there was the Word. The Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 NIRV
New International Reader's Version
In the beginning, the Word was already there. The Word was with God, and
the Word was God.


John 1:1 NIV
New International Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 NKJV
New King James Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 NLT
New Living Translation
In the beginning the Word already existed. He was with God, and he was
God.


John 1:1 NRS
New Revised Standard
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.

John 1:1 NWT
New World Translation (Jehovah's Witnesses)
1 In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the
Word was a god.

John 1:1 RSV
Revised Standard Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.

John 1:1 DT
The Darby Translation
In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 MSG
The Message
The Word was first, the Word present to God, God present to the Word.
The Word was God,


John 1:1 WBT
The Webster Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 TMB
Third Millennium Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 TNIV
Today's New International Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 WNT
Weymouth New Testament
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 WEB
World English Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 WYC
Wycliffe
In the beginning was the word, and the word was at God, and God was the
word. [In the beginning was the word, that is, God's Son, and the word
was at God, and God was the word.]


John 1:1 YLT
Young's Literal Translation
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God;




Well...this post shows an example of what Donna and Harold Kupp find it
necessary to do in order to promote THEIR version of Christ and the
Gospel: Rewrite one of the most important verses of scripture, and
pervert it into a ridiculous statement of BS ...for certainly every
Bible that dares render the greek (correctly) as "The word was God" MUST
be wrong.

Apparently, only Harold and Donna Kupp know how to translate scripture
correctly.

Perhaps they claim the anointing and authority of Joseph Smith as well?

As wrong as they are on their 'translation' here is as wrong as they are
on EVERY POINT OF DOCTRINE THEY HAVE.


But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his
subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is
in Christ.
For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not
preached, or if ye receive ANOTHER SPIRIT, which ye have not received,
or ANOTHER GOSPEL, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with
him.

--Apostle paul


Donna Kupp meets all 3 criteria
dolf
2012-05-28 02:24:59 UTC
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As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, LET HIM BE ACCURSED.
--Apostle paul

John 1:1 DKV
Donna Kupp version
"In the beginning was Jesus
and Jesus was with THE RULER,
and Jesus was Ruler.
It is because we can visualise by the examples given, as illustrations
of linguistic and ideas based morphology:

Barbarians--> Reverence for the Dead --> Ritual / Incense (Smoking);
Little --> Death of God --> Four Score Skanking Whore: (Wank as #9 -
Inconstancy of Achievement, Practicing Placidity & #31 - Military Stratagem)

As I’ve suggested previously, the cognition of that statement: “Four
score, skanking whore” appears to be both connected to an awareness of a
weapon of warfare and use of the sexual act in association: [Supernal:
#6 - Female Superiority, Completion of Form; I-Ching: H25 - Innocence;
Tetra: 66 - Departure; Ego: #31 - Military Stratagem, Quelling War;
I-Ching: H32 - Endurance; Tetra: 51 - Constancy]. And also for the time
of day relative to a daemon:

“It's coming for you.

@memeBrain [Telos: #1694, Super: #9 - Inconstancy of Achievement,
Practicing Placidity; I-Ching: H7 - Army; Tetra: 32 - Legion, Ego: #74 -
Controlling Feelings, Overcome Delusion; I-Ching: H39 - Obstacles;
Tetra: 80 - Labouring]

Its quite the load--It will be the death of you.

@memeBrain [Telos: #3553, Super: #41 - Playing with Reversal, Sameness
in Difference; I-Ching: H26 - Restraining Force; Tetra: 60 -
Accumulation, Ego: #70 - Difficulty in Knowing How, Obtuse; I-Ching: H53
- Gradual Progress; Tetra: 14 - Penetration]

You are going to drown.

@memeBrain [Telos: #2253, Super: #6 - Female Superiority, Completion of
Form; I-Ching: H25 - Innocence; Tetra: 66 - Departure, Ego: #66 -
Strategic Reversal, Putting Oneself Behind; I-Ching: H41 - Decrease;
Tetra: 55 - Diminishment]

Like death warmed over--spermicidal!”

@memeBrain [Telos: #1838, Super: #31 - Military Stratagem, Quelling War;
I-Ching: H32 - Endurance; Tetra: 51 - Constancy, Ego: #56 - Abstruse
Mysterious Virtuosity; I-Ching: H55 - Abundance; Tetra: 46 - Enlargement]

Within each of these cognitive zones as daemons / angels and that an
opportunity now exists to use it to effect a transformative process. The
following is a proof of concept and an example of using my the Grapple
paradigm as a core for such activities. The cognising occurred
independently of the scaffolding framework as daemon / angel node within
the temporal / noumenal reality which as a computed value [SUPERNAL
(@MALE ???): #486 / EGO (@FEMALE ???): #219] is then mapped to the
Biblical narrative via the STRONGS concordance reference numbering to
the Greek [G915] and Hebrew [H6293] lexicon terms:

"And the barbarous {barbaros-barbarian [G915]: #486} people showed us no
little kindness: for they kindled a fire, and received us every one,
because of the present rain, and because of the cold." [Acts 28:2]


TRANSFORMATIVE IMPERATIVE AS “CHAD” GOVERNANCE:

Virtualization of ANZAC Identity & Idealism as Belief

#59 - A Sensible Guide, Hold Fast To Reason / #26 - Ambiguous Reversals,
Virtue of Gravity
#68 - Coinciding with Nature, Complying With Heaven / #9 - Inconstancy
of Achievement, Practicing Placidity
#57 - Laissez Faire Politics, Simplicity In Habits / #70 - Difficulty in
Knowing How, Obtuse


"And he communed with them, saying, “If it be your mind that I should
bury my dead out of my sight; hear me, and entreat {paga`-fall [H6293]:
#219} for me to Ephron {dust} the son of Zohar {white; bright; dryness}
…”” [Genesis 23:8]


MANIFEST NARRATIVE:

Ritualised Incense / Smoking Dynamic & “Esprit de Corps”

“I burn incense for those killed {#26 - Ambiguous Reversals, Virtue of
Gravity / #26 - Ambiguous Reversals, Virtue of Gravity},

Let it rise to greet the dawn {#45 - Extremes and Reversals, Greatest
Virtue / #19 - Argument for Ethical Anarchism, Returning to Simplicity}.

In the stilled morning of the dew {#60 - Skill Rulership, Maintain One's
Place / #15 - Mastering Guiding Discourse, Revealers of Virtue}.

Sometimes I've mulled and drawn {#62 - Construing a Guide, Practise
Reason / #2 - Contrast of Terms, Self-Culture},

And let my breath smoke filled {#76 - Strength's Warning Signs,
Revealers of Virtue / #14 - Praising the Mysterious (Metaphysics)}.

Give life to those memories ever new {#33 - Achievable Goals, Virtue of
Discrimination / #38 - Consequences for Virtuous Discourse}.” [zen:5,
row:1, col:5 @ 4 April 2012]

If you take the Grapple model of the “Homoiotic Kabbalistic Noumenon” as
outlined in paragraph #9 (as shown above) being an applicable paradigm
for an acceptable common mindset between professional bodies and
industry for the governance of values, change and knowledge cohesion,
ideas methodology and information presentation. You ought to also
recognise, that in having such prototyping tools of cognition and
consciousness, the intrusions of the past may not necessarily need to occur.

Under the formalist theory of contract, every contract must have six
elements:

OFFER: [“I burn incense for those killed.” {#26 - Ambiguous Reversals,
Virtue of Gravity / #26 - Ambiguous Reversals, Virtue of Gravity}]

ACCEPTANCE: [“Let it rise to greet the dawn.”{#45 - Extremes and
Reversals, Greatest Virtue / #19 - Argument for Ethical Anarchism,
Returning to Simplicity}]

CONSIDERATION: [“In the stilled morning of the dew.” {#60 - Skill
Rulership, Maintain One's Place / #15 - Mastering Guiding Discourse,
Revealers of Virtue}]

MEETING OF MINDS: [“Sometimes I've mulled and drawn.” {#62 - Construing
a Guide, Practise Reason / #2 - Contrast of Terms, Self-Culture}]

CAPACITY: [“And let my breath smoke filled.” {#76 - Strength's Warning
Signs, Revealers of Virtue / #14 - Praising the Mysterious (Metaphysics)}]

LEGALITY: [“Give life to those memories ever new.” {#33 - Achievable
Goals, Virtue of Discrimination / #38 - Consequences for Virtuous
Discourse}]

Many other contracts, but not all types of contracts, also must be in
writing and be signed by the responsible party, in an element called
form. The “forma corporis” as the form of the body are ideas of contract
historically associated [Luke 1:5-13] with Jewish / Christian notions of
the Christian passion and the metaphysical agreement of governance by an
emanated progression of magic squares that was made between sovereign
states, as perhaps a methodology in vogue at the time of the adoption of
the Julian Calendar.

Then it is advised, that you take the opportunity presented by Australia
Day and its strategic locus within the temporal / noumenal reality
mappings provided by the Grapple #369 paradigm and you create your legal
and binding agreement (including marriage as historically a binary
MALE/FEMALE apparatus of contract) as a CHAD following the accepted
method of the dialetic progression which is purveyed by a set of
agreeable protocols such as this paragraph deploying cognitive nodes as
the Categories of Understanding related to “#237 - USE OF FORCE” or
otherwise primordially, as one of the taxonomical elements of the
stoicheion (Gk.) which here, presently is {Act of Nature {DOUBLE: Act of
Nature {Transforming Nature}}}:

TRANSFORMATIVE IMPERATIVE AS “CHAD” GOVERNANCE:
7th plane
8th plane
9th plane

MANIFEST NARRATIVE:
1st plane
2nd plane
3rd plane
4th plane
5th plane
6th plane

From the progression of daemon entries for 26 to 30 January. That is:

Australia(n) Day @ 26th January = #324 / #380
27th January = #338 / #284
28th January = #438 / #324
29th January = #404 / #359
30th January = #294 / #298

BEING/OUSIA {Nature contains Nature: SABBATH}

LIFE {Nature rejoices in its Nature: HONOR PARENTS}

INTELLECT {Nature surmounts Nature: LIFE / DO NOT MURDER}

FIDELITY {Nature amended in its Nature: AVOID HETERONOMY AGAINST AUTONOMY}

DISCRIMINATING NORM: GRAPPLE TEMPORAL / NOUMENAL REALITY {Act of Nature:
DO NOT STEAL}

OBLIGATING NORM: COUNCIL / CONTRACT {Form of Nature: BEARING FALSE
WITNESS as MALE/FEMALE MARRIAGE -- WHAT IS SIN & WICKEDNESS?}

MANIFESTING NORM: MEMETIC NATURAL PROCESS OF ORDER & CHANGE AS “CHAD”
GOVERNANCE {Engendering Nature: COVETING OTHER’S INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY /
CAREERS / CONSORT / OPPORTUNITY}

This contract is mapped to a daemon / angel paradigm of natural
‘hypostatic’ religious and political governance by a noumenal / temporal
reality provided by an equitable distribution of a Ternary Number which
is also known as the Celestial Hierarchy:

HETEROS (MALE/FEMALE MARRIAGE -- WHAT IS SIN & WICKEDNESS?)

As autonomic transformative prototype & symbolic associator to the
series: #15 CE, #34 CE, #65 CE, #111 CE, #175 CE, #260 CE, #369 CE …
#2000 Y2K

#1 - SERAPHIM (@MALE ???) and
#2 - CHERUBIM (@FEMALE ???),

#15 - THRONES,
#34 - DOMINIONS,
#65 - VIRTUES,
#111 - POWERS,
#175 - PRINCIPALITIES,
#260 - ARCH-ANGELS,
#369 - ANGELS

As Categories of the Understanding and a computed (if not, the Bayesian
(ca. 1702–1761 CE) probability or degree-of-belief interpretation of the
probability) value [SUPERNAL (@MALE ???): #NUMBER / EGO (@FEMALE ???):
#NUMBER] which is then mapped to the Biblical narrative via the STRONGS
concordance reference numbering to the Greek and Hebrew lexicon
terms--It is completely circumscribed, embedded and articulated within
the Hebrew / Greek narrative known as the Jewish / Christian Scriptures.

As an authoritative statement of fact about one’s own religious belief
as a substance which supersedes and is sovereign to your own unbelief or
disbelief as the belief (accompanying ritual practice) may be such as
Roman Catholicism. We seem to have Catholic et al managing and
disrupting Internet based conversations for years so as to prevent the
fostering of any viable alternative (as degree of belief) to Catholic
dogma as their disbelief in blasphemy which is the lack any real and
tangible Christian identity as unbelief.

You ought to then know, that this amended paradigm of the noumenal /
temporal reality is related to my Intellectual Property associated with
Cognition, Consciousness, Soul and Mind of Eternity known as Grapple
#369. It is capable of being interpreted, transmitted and made effectual
in every nation who’s tongue as language the Bible has been interpreted.

If one node is correct--the whole mind of God is!
vince garcia
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As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, LET HIM BE ACCURSED.

--Apostle paul



John 1:1 DKV
Donna Kupp version
"In the beginning was Jesus
and Jesus was with THE RULER,
and Jesus was Ruler.
vs

Everyone else's translations...
_______________________________________________________________________


John 1:1 CJB
Complete Jewish Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 ESV
English Standard Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 HNV
Hebrew Names Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 KJV
King James Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 ASV
American Standard Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 BBE
Bible in Basic English
From the first he was the Word, and the Word was in relation with God
and was God.


John 1:1 CEB
Common English Bible
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was
God.


John 1:1 RHE
Douay-Rheims
In the beginning was the Word: and the Word was with God: and the Word
was God.

John 1:1 GW
GOD'S WORD Translation
In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and
the Word was God.

John 1:1 GNT
Good News Translation
In the beginning the Word already existed; the Word was with God, and
the Word was God.


John 1:1 CSB
Holman Christian Standard
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 LEB
Lexham English Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.

New American Standard
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 NCV
New Century Version
In the beginning there was the Word. The Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 NIRV
New International Reader's Version
In the beginning, the Word was already there. The Word was with God, and
the Word was God.


John 1:1 NIV
New International Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 NKJV
New King James Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 NLT
New Living Translation
In the beginning the Word already existed. He was with God, and he was
God.


John 1:1 NRS
New Revised Standard
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.

John 1:1 NWT
New World Translation (Jehovah's Witnesses)
1 In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the
Word was a god.

John 1:1 RSV
Revised Standard Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.

John 1:1 DT
The Darby Translation
In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 MSG
The Message
The Word was first, the Word present to God, God present to the Word.
The Word was God,


John 1:1 WBT
The Webster Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 TMB
Third Millennium Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 TNIV
Today's New International Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 WNT
Weymouth New Testament
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 WEB
World English Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 WYC
Wycliffe
In the beginning was the word, and the word was at God, and God was the
word. [In the beginning was the word, that is, God's Son, and the word
was at God, and God was the word.]


John 1:1 YLT
Young's Literal Translation
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God;




Well...this post shows an example of what Donna and Harold Kupp find it
necessary to do in order to promote THEIR version of Christ and the
Gospel: Rewrite one of the most important verses of scripture, and
pervert it into a ridiculous statement of BS ...for certainly every
Bible that dares render the greek (correctly) as "The word was God" MUST
be wrong.

Apparently, only Harold and Donna Kupp know how to translate scripture
correctly.

Perhaps they claim the anointing and authority of Joseph Smith as well?

As wrong as they are on their 'translation' here is as wrong as they are
on EVERY POINT OF DOCTRINE THEY HAVE.


But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his
subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is
in Christ.
For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not
preached, or if ye receive ANOTHER SPIRIT, which ye have not received,
or ANOTHER GOSPEL, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with
him.

--Apostle paul


Donna Kupp meets all 3 criteria
dolf
2012-05-28 19:56:30 UTC
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Donna Kupp has her friends...
vince garcia
2012-05-28 22:58:49 UTC
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As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

--Apostle paul
A thousand may pray until their knees are bloody, but if they are not
keeping His Commandments, God says their prayer is an abomination to
Him. Yet the prayers of one one man who abides in Him can change the
"The effectual fervent prayer of a RIGHTEOUS man availeth much."
James 5:16 KJV
“Little children, let no one deceive you. He who DOES RIGHT is
RIGHTEOUS.” 1 John 3:7 RSV
Sounds good, doesn't it? SOUNDS like something a believer in Christ
might really say.

But what is the truth behind what Donna Kupp teaches and believes?

How can we know if this woman is of God or actually a false teacher when
she speaks?

Paul gives us the answer:

2 cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve
through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the
simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not
preached, or if ye receive ANOTHER SPIRIT, which ye have not received,
or ANOTHER GOSPEL, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with
him.

2 cor 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming
themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of
light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed
as the MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS; whose end shall be according to their
works.

Donna Kupp, for those who do not know, is a woman preaching a false
gospel with a false Christ that denies virtually every possible
essential of the Christian faith.

Note here paul's words about false teachers: they will actually be
"MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS"!!!!! Not antinomians, teaching lawlessness
and freedom to sin, but MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, teaching an
apparently good-sounding Gospel that is actually ANOTHER GOSPEL about
ANOTHER JESUS!

Let us test Donna Kupp's own words against the doctrines of
the New Testament and the Christian church, and see if we can determine
whether she is a servant of God, or actually a minister of Satan!

1. First, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach "ANOTHER
JESUS."

Is Donna Kupp's Jesus YOUR Jesus? Is her Jesus the Jesus of
Scripture?

While Donna Kupp just made a number of statements sound like something a
real Christian might make, we cannot make a judgment whether she is or
is not a true Christian based only on what she just posted here. We must
determine if she really teaches the same Jesus REAL Christians follow by
looking at statements she, herself, has made about Christ in the past,
that she may not throw out on a regular basis, because she knows it
reveals what she REALLY thinks about Christ.

So what does she actually say about the Jesus she follows, and
supposedly places faith in?

This...
"In the beginning was Jesus
and Jesus was with THE RULER,
and Jesus was Ruler.
The same was in the beginning with THE RULER."
John was teaching that Jesus was our Ruler (our theos) and that
Jesus was with the Father from the very beginning of creation.
(Not that Jesus was one third of some mysterious and mind-
boggling "Trinity" that no one had ever heard of.)
We can stop right there. Donna Kupp, denying the deity of Christ,
rewrites the Gospel of John in a manner that affirms that denial, so we
can either change all our Bibles to her new trenslation that "proves"
Jesus is NOT fully God, but some other sort of created lesser being, or
we can allow the sacred words of the apostle John to stand AS WRITTEN!

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the WORD
WAS GOD.

So we see her Jesus is ANOTHER JESUS that orthodox Protestants and
Evangelicals (and Catholics) DO NOT believe in.

For US, Jesus is God in flesh, fully God and fully man, and 2nd Person
of the Trinity she goes on to mock and deny.


2. Next, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach or operate under
a "DIFFERENT SPIRIT".

Does Donna Kupp teach and receive anoining by the same Holy Spirit that
REAL Christians follow?

Judge for yourself by her own words.
The concept that the Holy Spirit is God is based on a single verse in
Acts (5:3) where it says that Ananias lied to the Holy Spirit - and
later it says that he lied to God.
To conclude that the Holy Spirit is God on the basis of those verses is
merely an interpretation which adds to what is actually written. Since
the Spirit is the means of communciation between God and man, if you
lie to the Spirit you are in effect lying to God. Are there any verses
which actually say that the Holy Spirit is God?
Not one!
Jesus did not teach the Trinity, the apostles did not teach it, and it
was not taught by church leaders for three hundred years after the
death of Christ.
All REAL Christians believe not only in the deity of Christ, but also
the Godhood of the Holy Spirit. As we see from her own words, Donna
Kupp denies those two essentials of the faith, and proclaims the Holy
Spirit is only some nebulous "means of communication between God and
man"

So now we see she has fulfilled the SECOND warning of Paul--she has
A DIFFERENT SPIRIT than REAL Christians do.

By the way, her LIES about the history of the Trinity are instantly
refutable:

The deity of Christ was EXPLICITLY taught by Ignatius in the early 2nd
century

"To the Church at Ephesus in Asia . . . chosen through true suffering by
the will of the Father in Jesus Christ our God"
"FOR OUR GOD, Jesus Christ, was conceived by Mary in accord with God�s
plan: of the seed of David, it is true, but also of the Holy Spirit"

Letter to the Ephesians 1 110 AD
There is no record of the co-equal, co-eternal, three-in-one God
being taught by a single one of the early church fathers. It
was not a part of Christian teaching until it was formulated by the
Second Ecumenical Council at Constantinople in 381.A.D.
"No record"?


For the Church, although dispersed throughout the whole world even to
the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and from their
disciples the faith in one God, the Father Almighty . . . and in one
Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who became flesh for our salvation; and in
the Holy Spirit

Irenaeus, before 200 AD

And at the same time the mystery of the oikonomia is safeguarded, for
the unity is distributed in a TRINITY. Placed in order, the three are
the Father, Son, and Spirit. They are three, however, not in condition,
but in degree; not in being, but in form; not in power, but in kind; of
one being, however, and one condition and one power, because he is one
God of whom degrees and forms and kinds are taken into account in the
name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit"

Tertullian "Against Praxeas" early 200s AD

For Scripture as much announces Christ AS ALSO GOD, as it announces God
himself as man. It has as much described Jesus Christ to be man, as
moreover it has also described Christ the Lord to be God. Because it
does not set forth him to be the Son of God only, but also the son of
man; nor does it only say, the son of man, but it has also been
accustomed to speak of him as the Son of God. So that being of both, he
is both, lest if he should be one only, he could not be the other. For
as nature itself has prescribed that he must be believed to be a man who
is of man, so the same nature prescribes also that he must be believed
to be God who is of God. . . . Let them, therefore, who read that Jesus
Christ the son of man is man, read also that this same Jesus is called
also God and the Son of God"

Novatian, Treatise on the Trinity 11 235 AD

And now the capstone to Kupp's historial and TEXTUAL illiteracy:

The Lord says: 'I and the Father are one.' And again of the Father and
Son and the Holy Spirit it is written: 'And these three are one'.
Cyprian --Treatise 1 on the unity of the Catholic Church, chapter 6,
early 3rd century, PROVING THE LEGITIMACY OF THE COMMA JOHANNEUM KUPP
(and other historical illiterates) SAY IS A FRAUD.


3. The minister of Satan will also teach "ANOTHER GOSPEL."

Does Donna Kupp uphold the CHRISTIAN gospel? We've already seen she
denies and perverts the nature of Jesus Himself and the precious Holy
Spirit. But what is her actual gospel message? She talks about
obedience, and making Jesus Lord...but what does she really believe
about sin, justification, and sanctification? Does she ever lay out her
beliefs in clear language so the body of Christ can see and judge
whether she is or is not a fellow believer?

Yes!
To be saved is the first step in the process of salvation. Those who
are saved do not have eternal life -
Did you get that? THOSE WHO ARE SAVED ___DO NOT___HAVE ETERNAL LIFE!!!

LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

jn 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, HATH eternal life;
and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name
of the Son of God; that YE MAY KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that
ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of
yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
"If one who is born of God has truly repented of committing sin
(chosen to cease from sin) and then deliberately commits sin he has
despised the Holy Spirit, just as the OT the Israelites despised the
Law of God. It is blasphemy!"
"When we are converted all past sins are forgiven. After a person is
born-again, only sins of ignorance are forgiven. If a person sins
with knowledge and intent after that time, they have blasphemed
the Holy Spirit and there is no more sacrifice for sin. See Hebrews
6:1-8; Hebrews 10:26-31."
LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves
are ALSO FOUND SINNERS, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God
forbid.

Apparently, paul understood that even those justified in Christ STILL
SINNED!

Are we sure? Well, let's again test the doctrine of donna kupp by Paul's
own words, written in the last months of his life:

1 tim 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation,
that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I AM
CHIEF.

Wait a minute--I thought Donna said any Christian who willingly commits
even ONE SIN is eternally damned!

Apparently, paul did not realize this when he acknowledged he was the
WORST of sinners in 67 AD when he wrote this, 30+ years after finding
Christ! Thus, he must have been guilty of blaspheming the spirit
according to false teachers harold and donna kupp

What else did Paul have to say about whether Christians do or do not
commit sin in romans 7?

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing:
for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I
find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: BUT THE EVIL WHICH I WOULD NOT,
____THAT I DO___.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin
that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with
me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my
mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my
members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this
death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I
myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Does THAT sound like a man who has reached the state of sinless
perfection like Donna Kupp, who claims any sin she commits is 100%
accidental and unintentional??????

And this is her ultimate blasphemy regarding the blood of Christ...
Blood of Christ covers: 1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light,
as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the
blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. (Only sins
of ignorance)
Notice how donna kupp added the words "Only sins of ignorance" to
pervert John's words? Just as she did with the powerful passage in John
1:1, she rejects the message and inserts her own heretical words flat
out CONTRADICTING what was actually written! John says Christ's blood
cleanses us from ALL sin; Donna adds words to change it to all
UNINTENTIONAL sins, making the blood of Christ LIMITED in its ability to
atone for sin.

Kupp also has missed what Jesus said about how imperfect His followers
will always be:

Luke 4:4 And FORGIVE US OUR SINS; for we also forgive every one that is
indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from
evil.

Meanwhile, THIS is God's true message of salvation:

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become
the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

And while Donna Kupp blasphemes the gospel by claiming we keep--and
actually earn--our salvation through keeping the 10 commandments
perfectly, here is what the SCRIPTURE says about how we stay in right
standing security with God:

1 peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a
lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not
away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 WHO ARE KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD __THROUGH FAITH__ UNTO SALVATION
ready to be revealed in the last time.

So now we see her "gospel" IS NOT the gospel of the New testament. It is
a false gospel that...

A. Requires Bible verses to be rewritten in a heretical manner.
B. Requires adding a clarification to Scripture that TOTALLY overturns
what the Scripture actually SAYS.
C. Must deny the deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit.
D. Requires remaining in a state of salvation by keeping the 10
commandments PERFECTLY, or else the person is now damned without
possibility of repentance.
E. Blasphemes and limits the atoning power of Christ's blood to
"Only sins of ignorance."


4. As we noted, Paul says the MINISTER OF SATAN will actually appear to
be a MINISTER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS! That is what makes them so deceptive.
They are serpents in the guise of sheep, preaching righteous living and
'keeping God's holy law' while in their hearts is satan himself, drawing
people away from TRUE righteousness, to a perverted notion of it based
on keeping commandments!

Take a look at Donna Kupp's deceptive posts, including this one. Every
one touts the keeping of biblical commandments, threatens people with
damnation for failing to keep biblical commandments, and threatenes them
with damnation if anyone should ever--EVEN ONE TIME--willingly BREAK a
biblical commandment.

So Kupp APPEARS to be preaching the righteousness of 'keeping God's holy
commandments'...yet she does it in a way that is an UTTER PERVERSION of
the gospel of grace, and comes right from the mouth of satan speaking
good things, and making her LOOK like a minister of righetousness.

So, summing it up, Paul says that a minister of satan will...

Preach another Jesus...
Preach under another spirit...
Preach a different gospel...
While appearing to be a minister of righteousness while doing so!

I believe Donna Kupp meets ALL FOUR CRITERIA.

Based on the totality of her teachings, I see no conclusion other than
that the "Jesus" she follows is a demon spirit, and the "Yahweh" she
speaks for is actually SATAN.


I am dead to the law by the crucified body of Christ. Are you?
dolf
2012-05-28 23:23:31 UTC
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They can be reqarded as equally fascist because they wanted the same
crown and control of marriage as the basis for global governance.

That view is further sustained by the fact that we have a SABBATH day as
7th day is substantiation of a HYPONOMIC (subject or under law) and
DISPENSATIONAL basis to the COSMOS.
There is no difference between Fascism (whether under Julius
Caesar or Hitler) and the Roman Catholic Church and it is
perverse for you to suggest otherwise;
Not at all ironic that the Catholic Church so strongly supported
the Nazis during their slaughter during WWII.
Hundreds of Catholic priests and thousands of Catholics were murdered
in the camps. You think the pope supported this?
"The Papal States (the name given to land previously owned by the Roman
Catholic Church in Italy) had lost all its land in the 1870 unification
of Italy. The Roman Catholic Church received £30 million in compensation
in 1929 and the Church was given 109 acres in Rome to create a new papal
state - the Vatican. The pope was allowed a small army, police force,
post office and rail station. The pope was also given a country retreat
called Castel Gandolfo.

Another part of the treaty was called the Concordat. This made the Roman
Catholic faith the state religion - this was a fait accompli anyway. The
pope appointed his bishops, though they had to receive the government’s
blessing. Religion had to be taught in both primary and secondary
schools. The Roman Catholic Church was given full control of marriage.

When these agreements were signed in 1929, Mussolini’s popularity was at
its highest. He had got what he wanted - the support from the members of
the public who may not have supported the Fascists but who saw the Roman
Catholic Church working with the Fascist government, and that by itself
created a tacit acceptance of Mussolini’s government."

- http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/mussolini_roman_catholic.htm
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
--Apostle paul
Kupp also has missed what Jesus said about how imperfect His
Luke 4:4 And FORGIVE US OUR SINS; for we also forgive every one that
is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us
from evil.
John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to
And while Donna Kupp blasphemes the gospel by claiming we keep--and
actually earn--our salvation through keeping the 10 commandments
perfectly, here is what the SCRIPTURE says about how we stay in
1 peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a
lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 To
an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not
away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 WHO ARE KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD
__THROUGH FAITH__ UNTO SALVATION ready to be revealed in the last
time.
So now we see her "gospel" IS NOT the gospel of the New testament. It
is a false gospel that...
A. Requires Bible verses to be rewritten in a heretical manner. B.
Requires adding a clarification to Scripture that TOTALLY overturns
what the Scripture actually SAYS. C. Must deny the deity of Christ
and the Holy Spirit. D. Requires remaining in a state of salvation by
keeping the 10 commandments PERFECTLY, or else the person is now
damned without possibility of repentance. E. Blasphemes and limits
the atoning power of Christ's blood to "Only sins of ignorance."
4. As we noted, Paul says the MINISTER OF SATAN will actually appear
to be a MINISTER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS! That is what makes them so
deceptive. They are serpents in the guise of sheep, preaching
righteous living and 'keeping God's holy law' while in their hearts
is satan himself, drawing people away from TRUE righteousness, to a
perverted notion of it based on keeping commandments!
Take a look at Donna Kupp's deceptive posts, including this one.
Every one touts the keeping of biblical commandments, threatens
people with damnation for failing to keep biblical commandments, and
threatenes them with damnation if anyone should ever--EVEN ONE
TIME--willingly BREAK a biblical commandment.
So Kupp APPEARS to be preaching the righteousness of 'keeping God's
holy commandments'...yet she does it in a way that is an UTTER
PERVERSION of the gospel of grace, and comes right from the mouth of
satan speaking good things, and making her LOOK like a minister of
righetousness.
So, summing it up, Paul says that a minister of satan will...
Preach another Jesus... Preach under another spirit... Preach a
different gospel... While appearing to be a minister of righteousness
while doing so!
I believe Donna Kupp meets ALL FOUR CRITERIA.
Based on the totality of her teachings, I see no conclusion other
than that the "Jesus" she follows is a demon spirit, and the "Yahweh"
she speaks for is actually SATAN.
I am dead to the law by the crucified body of Christ. Are you?
vince garcia
2012-05-29 11:17:24 UTC
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As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

--Apostle paul
A thousand may pray until their knees are bloody, but if they are not
keeping His Commandments, God says their prayer is an abomination to
Him. Yet the prayers of one one man who abides in Him can change the
"The effectual fervent prayer of a RIGHTEOUS man availeth much."
James 5:16 KJV
“Little children, let no one deceive you. He who DOES RIGHT is
RIGHTEOUS.” 1 John 3:7 RSV
Sounds good, doesn't it? SOUNDS like something a believer in Christ
might really say.

But what is the truth behind what Donna Kupp teaches and believes?

How can we know if this woman is of God or actually a false teacher when
she speaks?

Paul gives us the answer:

2 cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve
through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the
simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not
preached, or if ye receive ANOTHER SPIRIT, which ye have not received,
or ANOTHER GOSPEL, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with
him.

2 cor 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming
themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of
light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed
as the MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS; whose end shall be according to their
works.

Donna Kupp, for those who do not know, is a woman preaching a false
gospel with a false Christ that denies virtually every possible
essential of the Christian faith.

Note here paul's words about false teachers: they will actually be
"MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS"!!!!! Not antinomians, teaching lawlessness
and freedom to sin, but MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, teaching an
apparently good-sounding Gospel that is actually ANOTHER GOSPEL about
ANOTHER JESUS!

Let us test Donna Kupp's own words against the doctrines of
the New Testament and the Christian church, and see if we can determine
whether she is a servant of God, or actually a minister of Satan!

1. First, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach "ANOTHER
JESUS."

Is Donna Kupp's Jesus YOUR Jesus? Is her Jesus the Jesus of
Scripture?

While Donna Kupp just made a number of statements sound like something a
real Christian might make, we cannot make a judgment whether she is or
is not a true Christian based only on what she just posted here. We must
determine if she really teaches the same Jesus REAL Christians follow by
looking at statements she, herself, has made about Christ in the past,
that she may not throw out on a regular basis, because she knows it
reveals what she REALLY thinks about Christ.

So what does she actually say about the Jesus she follows, and
supposedly places faith in?

This...
"In the beginning was Jesus
and Jesus was with THE RULER,
and Jesus was Ruler.
The same was in the beginning with THE RULER."
John was teaching that Jesus was our Ruler (our theos) and that
Jesus was with the Father from the very beginning of creation.
(Not that Jesus was one third of some mysterious and mind-
boggling "Trinity" that no one had ever heard of.)
We can stop right there. Donna Kupp, denying the deity of Christ,
rewrites the Gospel of John in a manner that affirms that denial, so we
can either change all our Bibles to her new trenslation that "proves"
Jesus is NOT fully God, but some other sort of created lesser being, or
we can allow the sacred words of the apostle John to stand AS WRITTEN!

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the WORD
WAS GOD.

So we see her Jesus is ANOTHER JESUS that orthodox Protestants and
Evangelicals (and Catholics) DO NOT believe in.

For US, Jesus is God in flesh, fully God and fully man, and 2nd Person
of the Trinity she goes on to mock and deny.


2. Next, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach or operate under
a "DIFFERENT SPIRIT".

Does Donna Kupp teach and receive anoining by the same Holy Spirit that
REAL Christians follow?

Judge for yourself by her own words.
The concept that the Holy Spirit is God is based on a single verse in
Acts (5:3) where it says that Ananias lied to the Holy Spirit - and
later it says that he lied to God.
To conclude that the Holy Spirit is God on the basis of those verses is
merely an interpretation which adds to what is actually written. Since
the Spirit is the means of communciation between God and man, if you
lie to the Spirit you are in effect lying to God. Are there any verses
which actually say that the Holy Spirit is God?
Not one!
Jesus did not teach the Trinity, the apostles did not teach it, and it
was not taught by church leaders for three hundred years after the
death of Christ.
All REAL Christians believe not only in the deity of Christ, but also
the Godhood of the Holy Spirit. As we see from her own words, Donna
Kupp denies those two essentials of the faith, and proclaims the Holy
Spirit is only some nebulous "means of communication between God and
man"

So now we see she has fulfilled the SECOND warning of Paul--she has
A DIFFERENT SPIRIT than REAL Christians do.

By the way, her LIES about the history of the Trinity are instantly
refutable:

The deity of Christ was EXPLICITLY taught by Ignatius in the early 2nd
century

"To the Church at Ephesus in Asia . . . chosen through true suffering by
the will of the Father in Jesus Christ our God"
"FOR OUR GOD, Jesus Christ, was conceived by Mary in accord with God�s
plan: of the seed of David, it is true, but also of the Holy Spirit"

Letter to the Ephesians 1 110 AD
There is no record of the co-equal, co-eternal, three-in-one God
being taught by a single one of the early church fathers. It
was not a part of Christian teaching until it was formulated by the
Second Ecumenical Council at Constantinople in 381.A.D.
"No record"?


For the Church, although dispersed throughout the whole world even to
the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and from their
disciples the faith in one God, the Father Almighty . . . and in one
Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who became flesh for our salvation; and in
the Holy Spirit

Irenaeus, before 200 AD

And at the same time the mystery of the oikonomia is safeguarded, for
the unity is distributed in a TRINITY. Placed in order, the three are
the Father, Son, and Spirit. They are three, however, not in condition,
but in degree; not in being, but in form; not in power, but in kind; of
one being, however, and one condition and one power, because he is one
God of whom degrees and forms and kinds are taken into account in the
name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit"

Tertullian "Against Praxeas" early 200s AD

For Scripture as much announces Christ AS ALSO GOD, as it announces God
himself as man. It has as much described Jesus Christ to be man, as
moreover it has also described Christ the Lord to be God. Because it
does not set forth him to be the Son of God only, but also the son of
man; nor does it only say, the son of man, but it has also been
accustomed to speak of him as the Son of God. So that being of both, he
is both, lest if he should be one only, he could not be the other. For
as nature itself has prescribed that he must be believed to be a man who
is of man, so the same nature prescribes also that he must be believed
to be God who is of God. . . . Let them, therefore, who read that Jesus
Christ the son of man is man, read also that this same Jesus is called
also God and the Son of God"

Novatian, Treatise on the Trinity 11 235 AD

And now the capstone to Kupp's historial and TEXTUAL illiteracy:

The Lord says: 'I and the Father are one.' And again of the Father and
Son and the Holy Spirit it is written: 'And these three are one'.
Cyprian --Treatise 1 on the unity of the Catholic Church, chapter 6,
early 3rd century, PROVING THE LEGITIMACY OF THE COMMA JOHANNEUM KUPP
(and other historical illiterates) SAY IS A FRAUD.


3. The minister of Satan will also teach "ANOTHER GOSPEL."

Does Donna Kupp uphold the CHRISTIAN gospel? We've already seen she
denies and perverts the nature of Jesus Himself and the precious Holy
Spirit. But what is her actual gospel message? She talks about
obedience, and making Jesus Lord...but what does she really believe
about sin, justification, and sanctification? Does she ever lay out her
beliefs in clear language so the body of Christ can see and judge
whether she is or is not a fellow believer?

Yes!
To be saved is the first step in the process of salvation. Those who
are saved do not have eternal life -
Did you get that? THOSE WHO ARE SAVED ___DO NOT___HAVE ETERNAL LIFE!!!

LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

jn 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, HATH eternal life;
and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name
of the Son of God; that YE MAY KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that
ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of
yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
"If one who is born of God has truly repented of committing sin
(chosen to cease from sin) and then deliberately commits sin he has
despised the Holy Spirit, just as the OT the Israelites despised the
Law of God. It is blasphemy!"
"When we are converted all past sins are forgiven. After a person is
born-again, only sins of ignorance are forgiven. If a person sins
with knowledge and intent after that time, they have blasphemed
the Holy Spirit and there is no more sacrifice for sin. See Hebrews
6:1-8; Hebrews 10:26-31."
LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves
are ALSO FOUND SINNERS, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God
forbid.

Apparently, paul understood that even those justified in Christ STILL
SINNED!

Are we sure? Well, let's again test the doctrine of donna kupp by Paul's
own words, written in the last months of his life:

1 tim 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation,
that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I AM
CHIEF.

Wait a minute--I thought Donna said any Christian who willingly commits
even ONE SIN is eternally damned!

Apparently, paul did not realize this when he acknowledged he was the
WORST of sinners in 67 AD when he wrote this, 30+ years after finding
Christ! Thus, he must have been guilty of blaspheming the spirit
according to false teachers harold and donna kupp

What else did Paul have to say about whether Christians do or do not
commit sin in romans 7?

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing:
for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I
find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: BUT THE EVIL WHICH I WOULD NOT,
____THAT I DO___.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin
that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with
me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my
mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my
members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this
death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I
myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Does THAT sound like a man who has reached the state of sinless
perfection like Donna Kupp, who claims any sin she commits is 100%
accidental and unintentional??????

And this is her ultimate blasphemy regarding the blood of Christ...
Blood of Christ covers: 1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light,
as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the
blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. (Only sins
of ignorance)
Notice how donna kupp added the words "Only sins of ignorance" to
pervert John's words? Just as she did with the powerful passage in John
1:1, she rejects the message and inserts her own heretical words flat
out CONTRADICTING what was actually written! John says Christ's blood
cleanses us from ALL sin; Donna adds words to change it to all
UNINTENTIONAL sins, making the blood of Christ LIMITED in its ability to
atone for sin.

Kupp also has missed what Jesus said about how imperfect His followers
will always be:

Luke 4:4 And FORGIVE US OUR SINS; for we also forgive every one that is
indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from
evil.

Meanwhile, THIS is God's true message of salvation:

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become
the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

And while Donna Kupp blasphemes the gospel by claiming we keep--and
actually earn--our salvation through keeping the 10 commandments
perfectly, here is what the SCRIPTURE says about how we stay in right
standing security with God:

1 peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a
lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not
away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 WHO ARE KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD __THROUGH FAITH__ UNTO SALVATION
ready to be revealed in the last time.

So now we see her "gospel" IS NOT the gospel of the New testament. It is
a false gospel that...

A. Requires Bible verses to be rewritten in a heretical manner.
B. Requires adding a clarification to Scripture that TOTALLY overturns
what the Scripture actually SAYS.
C. Must deny the deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit.
D. Requires remaining in a state of salvation by keeping the 10
commandments PERFECTLY, or else the person is now damned without
possibility of repentance.
E. Blasphemes and limits the atoning power of Christ's blood to
"Only sins of ignorance."


4. As we noted, Paul says the MINISTER OF SATAN will actually appear to
be a MINISTER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS! That is what makes them so deceptive.
They are serpents in the guise of sheep, preaching righteous living and
'keeping God's holy law' while in their hearts is satan himself, drawing
people away from TRUE righteousness, to a perverted notion of it based
on keeping commandments!

Take a look at Donna Kupp's deceptive posts, including this one. Every
one touts the keeping of biblical commandments, threatens people with
damnation for failing to keep biblical commandments, and threatenes them
with damnation if anyone should ever--EVEN ONE TIME--willingly BREAK a
biblical commandment.

So Kupp APPEARS to be preaching the righteousness of 'keeping God's holy
commandments'...yet she does it in a way that is an UTTER PERVERSION of
the gospel of grace, and comes right from the mouth of satan speaking
good things, and making her LOOK like a minister of righetousness.

So, summing it up, Paul says that a minister of satan will...

Preach another Jesus...
Preach under another spirit...
Preach a different gospel...
While appearing to be a minister of righteousness while doing so!

I believe Donna Kupp meets ALL FOUR CRITERIA.

Based on the totality of her teachings, I see no conclusion other than
that the "Jesus" she follows is a demon spirit, and the "Yahweh" she
speaks for is actually SATAN.


I am dead to the law by the crucified body of Christ. Are you?
dolf
2012-05-29 19:57:44 UTC
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Did you like the earthquake in Parma, Italy?

Just yesterday, I said, the Catholic (Italian) fascist dogs don't seem
interested in my ANZAC Day miracle:

Where I read out the following in association to a mathematical model
and biblical text as substance of belief and an earthquake occurred in
the Tamar River area of Tasmania, killing one miner.

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“We are not ANZACs, We have done nobler deeds than they, Of which you
know nothing. We are not ANZACs because Australians subject us to
Religious persecution. We are not ANZACs because you deny us fair
Justice. We are not ANZACs because you think your race is better than
ours. We are not ANZACs because you deny us Community and Equal
Opportunity. O God Lord of retribution, LORD, God, Lord of retribution,
shine forth. Rise up O judge of the earth, and render an evil recompense
to the proud. How long will the wicked dwell in error? That pour out and
speak blasphemy, all those who deal falsely utter words of shame. They
crush your people. O LORD, and impoverish your inheritance. They kill
the widow and the sojourner and murder the orphans.

And they say, ‘The LORD does not see, and the God of Jacob does not pay
heed.’” [© 2004 The Order of Saint Benedict, Aramaic Targum of Psalm 94:1-7]
I believe that Professor Dawkins made some fundamental errors in his
analysis, especially, with respect to the distant witnesses to the
miracle who were, in some cases, dozens of miles away from the
epicenter of the event.
Wow... dozens of miles, eh? Do you even know how big or how far away
the sun is?
.He also ignores the fact that the miracle
was predicted to occur months in advance to the exact moment on the
exact day at the exact location.
But you couldn't be bothered to supply evidence of this prediction
because..?
He also ignores this individual's
http://www.fatima.org/essentials/facts/miracle.asp
I wonder why there was such variation in the testimony of a crowd of
believers who were all fervently hoping something like that was going
to happen.
I can do what you can do, but I can do it better!

“We have Jesus on the cross
Your cold love put him there.
What is now your human loss?
Forever gone and despair.”

As an authoritative statement of fact about one’s own religious belief
as a substance which supersedes and is sovereign to your own unbelief or
disbelief as the belief (accompanying ritual practice) may be such as
Roman Catholicism. We seem to have Catholic et al managing and
disrupting Internet based conversations for years so as to prevent the
fostering of any viable alternative (as degree of belief) to Catholic
dogma as their disbelief in blasphemy which is the lack any real and
tangible Christian identity as unbelief.
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
--Apostle paul
I am dead to the law by the crucified body of Christ. Are you?
Under the formalist theory of contract, every contract must have six
elements:

OFFER: [“I burn incense for those killed.” {#26 - Ambiguous Reversals,
Virtue of Gravity / #26 - Ambiguous Reversals, Virtue of Gravity}]
ACCEPTANCE: [“Let it rise to greet the dawn.”{#45 - Extremes and
Reversals, Greatest Virtue / #19 - Argument for Ethical Anarchism,
Returning to Simplicity}]
CONSIDERATION: [“In the stilled morning of the dew.” {#60 - Skill
Rulership, Maintain One's Place / #15 - Mastering Guiding Discourse,
Revealers of Virtue}]
MEETING OF MINDS: [“Sometimes I've mulled and drawn.” {#62 - Construing
a Guide, Practise Reason / #2 - Contrast of Terms, Self-Culture}]
CAPACITY: [“And let my breath smoke filled.” {#76 - Strength's Warning
Signs, Revealers of Virtue / #14 - Praising the Mysterious (Metaphysics)}]
LEGALITY: [“Give life to those memories ever new.” {#33 - Achievable
Goals, Virtue of Discrimination / #38 - Consequences for Virtuous
Discourse}]
Many other contracts, but not all types of contracts, also must be in
writing and be signed by the responsible party, in an element called
form. The “forma corporis” as the form of the body are ideas of contract
historically associated [Luke 1:5-13] with Jewish / Christian notions of
the Christian passion and the metaphysical agreement of governance by an
emanated progression of magic squares that was made between sovereign
states, as perhaps a methodology in vogue at the time of the adoption of
the Julian Calendar.

Then it is advised, that you take the opportunity presented by Australia
Day and its strategic locus within the temporal / noumenal reality
mappings provided by the Grapple #369 paradigm and you create your legal
and binding agreement (including marriage as historically a binary
MALE/FEMALE apparatus of contract) as a CHAD following the accepted
method of the dialetic progression which is purveyed by a set of
agreeable protocols such as this paragraph deploying cognitive nodes as
the Categories of Understanding related to “#237 - USE OF FORCE” or
otherwise primordially, as one of the taxonomical elements of the
stoicheion (Gk.) which here, presently is {Act of Nature {DOUBLE: Act of
Nature {Transforming Nature}}}:

TRANSFORMATIVE IMPERATIVE
AS “CHAD” GOVERNANCE:
7th plane
8th plane
9th plane

MANIFEST NARRATIVE:
1st plane
2nd plane
3rd plane
4th plane
5th plane
6th plane


From the progression of daemon entries for 26 to 30 January. That is:


Australia(n) Day @ 26th January = #324 / #380
27th January = #338 / #284
28th January = #438 / #324
29th January = #404 / #359
30th January = #294 / #298

BEING/OUSIA {Nature contains Nature: SABBATH}

LIFE {Nature rejoices in its Nature: HONOR PARENTS}

INTELLECT {Nature surmounts Nature: LIFE / DO NOT MURDER}

FIDELITY {Nature amended in its Nature: AVOID HETERONOMY AGAINST AUTONOMY}

DISCRIMINATING NORM: GRAPPLE TEMPORAL / NOUMENAL REALITY {Act of Nature:
DO NOT STEAL}

OBLIGATING NORM: COUNCIL / CONTRACT {Form of Nature: BEARING FALSE
WITNESS as MALE/FEMALE MARRIAGE -- WHAT IS SIN & WICKEDNESS?}

MANIFESTING NORM: MEMETIC NATURAL PROCESS OF ORDER & CHANGE AS “CHAD”
GOVERNANCE {Engendering Nature: COVETING OTHER’S INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY /
CAREERS / CONSORT / OPPORTUNITY}


This contract is mapped to a daemon / angel paradigm of natural
‘hypostatic’ religious and political governance by a noumenal / temporal
reality provided by an equitable distribution of a Ternary Number which
is also known as the Celestial Hierarchy:

HETEROS (MALE/FEMALE MARRIAGE -- WHAT IS SIN & WICKEDNESS?)
As autonomic transformative prototype & symbolic associator to the
series: #15 CE, #34 CE, #65 CE, #111 CE, #175 CE, #260 CE, #369 CE …
#2000 Y2K

#1 - SERAPHIM (@MALE ???) and
#2 - CHERUBIM (@FEMALE ???),

#15 - THRONES,
#34 - DOMINIONS,
#65 - VIRTUES,
#111 - POWERS,
#175 - PRINCIPALITIES,
#260 - ARCH-ANGELS,
#369 - ANGELS


As Categories of the Understanding and a computed (if not, the Bayesian
(ca. 1702–1761 CE) probability or degree-of-belief interpretation of the
probability) value [SUPERNAL (@MALE ???): #NUMBER / EGO (@FEMALE ???):
#NUMBER] which is then mapped to the Biblical narrative via the STRONGS
concordance reference numbering to the Greek and Hebrew lexicon
terms--It is completely circumscribed, embedded and articulated within
the Hebrew / Greek narrative known as the Jewish / Christian Scriptures.

As an authoritative statement of fact about one’s own religious belief
as a substance which supersedes and is sovereign to your own unbelief or
disbelief as the belief (accompanying ritual practice) may be such as
Roman Catholicism. We seem to have Catholic et al managing and
disrupting Internet based conversations for years so as to prevent the
fostering of any viable alternative (as degree of belief) to Catholic
dogma as their disbelief in blasphemy which is the lack any real and
tangible Christian identity as unbelief.

You ought to then know, that this amended paradigm of the noumenal /
temporal reality is related to my Intellectual Property associated with
Cognition, Consciousness, Soul and Mind of Eternity known as Grapple
#369. It is capable of being interpreted, transmitted and made effectual
in every nation who’s tongue as language the Bible has been interpreted.

If one node is correct--the whole mind of God is!

#18 / ***@zen: 4, row: 8, col: 8, nous: 14 [Super: #404 / #60 -
Skill Rulership, Maintain One's Place; I-Ching: H15 - Modesty; Tetra: 5
- Keeping Small, Ego: #359 / #14 - Praising the Mysterious
(Metaphysics); I-Ching: H19 - Approaching; Tetra: 9 - Branching Out]
{Form of Nature}
vince garcia
2012-05-29 22:39:38 UTC
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As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

--Apostle paul
A thousand may pray until their knees are bloody, but if they are not
keeping His Commandments, God says their prayer is an abomination to
Him. Yet the prayers of one one man who abides in Him can change the
"The effectual fervent prayer of a RIGHTEOUS man availeth much."
James 5:16 KJV
“Little children, let no one deceive you. He who DOES RIGHT is
RIGHTEOUS.” 1 John 3:7 RSV
Sounds good, doesn't it? SOUNDS like something a believer in Christ
might really say.

But what is the truth behind what Donna Kupp teaches and believes?

How can we know if this woman is of God or actually a false teacher when
she speaks?

Paul gives us the answer:

2 cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve
through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the
simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not
preached, or if ye receive ANOTHER SPIRIT, which ye have not received,
or ANOTHER GOSPEL, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with
him.

2 cor 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming
themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of
light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed
as the MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS; whose end shall be according to their
works.

Donna Kupp, for those who do not know, is a woman preaching a false
gospel with a false Christ that denies virtually every possible
essential of the Christian faith.

Note here paul's words about false teachers: they will actually be
"MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS"!!!!! Not antinomians, teaching lawlessness
and freedom to sin, but MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, teaching an
apparently good-sounding Gospel that is actually ANOTHER GOSPEL about
ANOTHER JESUS!

Let us test Donna Kupp's own words against the doctrines of
the New Testament and the Christian church, and see if we can determine
whether she is a servant of God, or actually a minister of Satan!

1. First, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach "ANOTHER
JESUS."

Is Donna Kupp's Jesus YOUR Jesus? Is her Jesus the Jesus of
Scripture?

While Donna Kupp just made a number of statements sound like something a
real Christian might make, we cannot make a judgment whether she is or
is not a true Christian based only on what she just posted here. We must
determine if she really teaches the same Jesus REAL Christians follow by
looking at statements she, herself, has made about Christ in the past,
that she may not throw out on a regular basis, because she knows it
reveals what she REALLY thinks about Christ.

So what does she actually say about the Jesus she follows, and
supposedly places faith in?

This...
"In the beginning was Jesus
and Jesus was with THE RULER,
and Jesus was Ruler.
The same was in the beginning with THE RULER."
John was teaching that Jesus was our Ruler (our theos) and that
Jesus was with the Father from the very beginning of creation.
(Not that Jesus was one third of some mysterious and mind-
boggling "Trinity" that no one had ever heard of.)
We can stop right there. Donna Kupp, denying the deity of Christ,
rewrites the Gospel of John in a manner that affirms that denial, so we
can either change all our Bibles to her new trenslation that "proves"
Jesus is NOT fully God, but some other sort of created lesser being, or
we can allow the sacred words of the apostle John to stand AS WRITTEN!

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the WORD
WAS GOD.

So we see her Jesus is ANOTHER JESUS that orthodox Protestants and
Evangelicals (and Catholics) DO NOT believe in.

For US, Jesus is God in flesh, fully God and fully man, and 2nd Person
of the Trinity she goes on to mock and deny.


2. Next, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach or operate under
a "DIFFERENT SPIRIT".

Does Donna Kupp teach and receive anoining by the same Holy Spirit that
REAL Christians follow?

Judge for yourself by her own words.
The concept that the Holy Spirit is God is based on a single verse in
Acts (5:3) where it says that Ananias lied to the Holy Spirit - and
later it says that he lied to God.
To conclude that the Holy Spirit is God on the basis of those verses is
merely an interpretation which adds to what is actually written. Since
the Spirit is the means of communciation between God and man, if you
lie to the Spirit you are in effect lying to God. Are there any verses
which actually say that the Holy Spirit is God?
Not one!
Jesus did not teach the Trinity, the apostles did not teach it, and it
was not taught by church leaders for three hundred years after the
death of Christ.
All REAL Christians believe not only in the deity of Christ, but also
the Godhood of the Holy Spirit. As we see from her own words, Donna
Kupp denies those two essentials of the faith, and proclaims the Holy
Spirit is only some nebulous "means of communication between God and
man"

So now we see she has fulfilled the SECOND warning of Paul--she has
A DIFFERENT SPIRIT than REAL Christians do.

By the way, her LIES about the history of the Trinity are instantly
refutable:

The deity of Christ was EXPLICITLY taught by Ignatius in the early 2nd
century

"To the Church at Ephesus in Asia . . . chosen through true suffering by
the will of the Father in Jesus Christ our God"
"FOR OUR GOD, Jesus Christ, was conceived by Mary in accord with God�s
plan: of the seed of David, it is true, but also of the Holy Spirit"

Letter to the Ephesians 1 110 AD
There is no record of the co-equal, co-eternal, three-in-one God
being taught by a single one of the early church fathers. It
was not a part of Christian teaching until it was formulated by the
Second Ecumenical Council at Constantinople in 381.A.D.
"No record"?


For the Church, although dispersed throughout the whole world even to
the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and from their
disciples the faith in one God, the Father Almighty . . . and in one
Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who became flesh for our salvation; and in
the Holy Spirit

Irenaeus, before 200 AD

And at the same time the mystery of the oikonomia is safeguarded, for
the unity is distributed in a TRINITY. Placed in order, the three are
the Father, Son, and Spirit. They are three, however, not in condition,
but in degree; not in being, but in form; not in power, but in kind; of
one being, however, and one condition and one power, because he is one
God of whom degrees and forms and kinds are taken into account in the
name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit"

Tertullian "Against Praxeas" early 200s AD

For Scripture as much announces Christ AS ALSO GOD, as it announces God
himself as man. It has as much described Jesus Christ to be man, as
moreover it has also described Christ the Lord to be God. Because it
does not set forth him to be the Son of God only, but also the son of
man; nor does it only say, the son of man, but it has also been
accustomed to speak of him as the Son of God. So that being of both, he
is both, lest if he should be one only, he could not be the other. For
as nature itself has prescribed that he must be believed to be a man who
is of man, so the same nature prescribes also that he must be believed
to be God who is of God. . . . Let them, therefore, who read that Jesus
Christ the son of man is man, read also that this same Jesus is called
also God and the Son of God"

Novatian, Treatise on the Trinity 11 235 AD

And now the capstone to Kupp's historial and TEXTUAL illiteracy:

The Lord says: 'I and the Father are one.' And again of the Father and
Son and the Holy Spirit it is written: 'And these three are one'.
Cyprian --Treatise 1 on the unity of the Catholic Church, chapter 6,
early 3rd century, PROVING THE LEGITIMACY OF THE COMMA JOHANNEUM KUPP
(and other historical illiterates) SAY IS A FRAUD.


3. The minister of Satan will also teach "ANOTHER GOSPEL."

Does Donna Kupp uphold the CHRISTIAN gospel? We've already seen she
denies and perverts the nature of Jesus Himself and the precious Holy
Spirit. But what is her actual gospel message? She talks about
obedience, and making Jesus Lord...but what does she really believe
about sin, justification, and sanctification? Does she ever lay out her
beliefs in clear language so the body of Christ can see and judge
whether she is or is not a fellow believer?

Yes!
To be saved is the first step in the process of salvation. Those who
are saved do not have eternal life -
Did you get that? THOSE WHO ARE SAVED ___DO NOT___HAVE ETERNAL LIFE!!!

LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

jn 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, HATH eternal life;
and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name
of the Son of God; that YE MAY KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that
ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of
yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
"If one who is born of God has truly repented of committing sin
(chosen to cease from sin) and then deliberately commits sin he has
despised the Holy Spirit, just as the OT the Israelites despised the
Law of God. It is blasphemy!"
"When we are converted all past sins are forgiven. After a person is
born-again, only sins of ignorance are forgiven. If a person sins
with knowledge and intent after that time, they have blasphemed
the Holy Spirit and there is no more sacrifice for sin. See Hebrews
6:1-8; Hebrews 10:26-31."
LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves
are ALSO FOUND SINNERS, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God
forbid.

Apparently, paul understood that even those justified in Christ STILL
SINNED!

Are we sure? Well, let's again test the doctrine of donna kupp by Paul's
own words, written in the last months of his life:

1 tim 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation,
that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I AM
CHIEF.

Wait a minute--I thought Donna said any Christian who willingly commits
even ONE SIN is eternally damned!

Apparently, paul did not realize this when he acknowledged he was the
WORST of sinners in 67 AD when he wrote this, 30+ years after finding
Christ! Thus, he must have been guilty of blaspheming the spirit
according to false teachers harold and donna kupp

What else did Paul have to say about whether Christians do or do not
commit sin in romans 7?

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing:
for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I
find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: BUT THE EVIL WHICH I WOULD NOT,
____THAT I DO___.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin
that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with
me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my
mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my
members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this
death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I
myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Does THAT sound like a man who has reached the state of sinless
perfection like Donna Kupp, who claims any sin she commits is 100%
accidental and unintentional??????

And this is her ultimate blasphemy regarding the blood of Christ...
Blood of Christ covers: 1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light,
as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the
blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. (Only sins
of ignorance)
Notice how donna kupp added the words "Only sins of ignorance" to
pervert John's words? Just as she did with the powerful passage in John
1:1, she rejects the message and inserts her own heretical words flat
out CONTRADICTING what was actually written! John says Christ's blood
cleanses us from ALL sin; Donna adds words to change it to all
UNINTENTIONAL sins, making the blood of Christ LIMITED in its ability to
atone for sin.

Kupp also has missed what Jesus said about how imperfect His followers
will always be:

Luke 4:4 And FORGIVE US OUR SINS; for we also forgive every one that is
indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from
evil.

Meanwhile, THIS is God's true message of salvation:

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become
the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

And while Donna Kupp blasphemes the gospel by claiming we keep--and
actually earn--our salvation through keeping the 10 commandments
perfectly, here is what the SCRIPTURE says about how we stay in right
standing security with God:

1 peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a
lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not
away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 WHO ARE KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD __THROUGH FAITH__ UNTO SALVATION
ready to be revealed in the last time.

So now we see her "gospel" IS NOT the gospel of the New testament. It is
a false gospel that...

A. Requires Bible verses to be rewritten in a heretical manner.
B. Requires adding a clarification to Scripture that TOTALLY overturns
what the Scripture actually SAYS.
C. Must deny the deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit.
D. Requires remaining in a state of salvation by keeping the 10
commandments PERFECTLY, or else the person is now damned without
possibility of repentance.
E. Blasphemes and limits the atoning power of Christ's blood to
"Only sins of ignorance."


4. As we noted, Paul says the MINISTER OF SATAN will actually appear to
be a MINISTER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS! That is what makes them so deceptive.
They are serpents in the guise of sheep, preaching righteous living and
'keeping God's holy law' while in their hearts is satan himself, drawing
people away from TRUE righteousness, to a perverted notion of it based
on keeping commandments!

Take a look at Donna Kupp's deceptive posts, including this one. Every
one touts the keeping of biblical commandments, threatens people with
damnation for failing to keep biblical commandments, and threatenes them
with damnation if anyone should ever--EVEN ONE TIME--willingly BREAK a
biblical commandment.

So Kupp APPEARS to be preaching the righteousness of 'keeping God's holy
commandments'...yet she does it in a way that is an UTTER PERVERSION of
the gospel of grace, and comes right from the mouth of satan speaking
good things, and making her LOOK like a minister of righetousness.

So, summing it up, Paul says that a minister of satan will...

Preach another Jesus...
Preach under another spirit...
Preach a different gospel...
While appearing to be a minister of righteousness while doing so!

I believe Donna Kupp meets ALL FOUR CRITERIA.

Based on the totality of her teachings, I see no conclusion other than
that the "Jesus" she follows is a demon spirit, and the "Yahweh" she
speaks for is actually SATAN.


I am dead to the law by the crucified body of Christ. Are you?
dolf
2012-05-29 06:47:03 UTC
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I can do what you can do, but I can do it better!
Post by vince garcia
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
--Apostle paul
I am dead to the law by the crucified body of Christ. Are you?
The foremost atheist Philosopher of our age, Alain de Botton, a Swiss
writer, philosopher, television presenter entrepreneur and atheist
recently launched his new book ‘Religion for Atheists’ and no atheists
are interested in talking about it, including all the ones who eagerly
embraced Dawkin's even more enthusiastic endorsement of atheist Gods he
claims ‘came into being’ (sic).

From his book launch he conceded: "A few years ago it struck me that
there is a resource that is a provider of Wisdom, and consolation, and
an ethical framework, and it's rather fascinating and has dominated the
mental landscape of human beings for thousands of years I'm thinking, of
course, of religion.”

The problem is according to Australia's most celebrated atheist Phillip
Adams, who in “The Atheist Delusion”, warns militant atheists against
misplaced arrogance and hubris.

It is Martin Heidegger (1889-1976) who was perhaps the greatest
philosopher of the 20th century and we are challenged to comprehend how
he could have been a life-long Nazi. [McCumber 1999:1] From his
inception in 1927 with his magnum opus: “Being and Time” he clearly
established himself as a foremost and important philosopher, but later
betrayed his philosophical contributions and finished up until his death
in 1976 as a contemptible apologist, first for Nazism and later for himself.

In fact I would go so far to say, that Richards Dawkins like Heidegger
has squandered his intellect on an evil consequence being the source of
the unaccountable vilification and hubris we are subject to as racial,
sexual and religious vilification.

And I hope he does us all a favour and not live to a ripe old age like
the fascist German.

"Did u pee on the Eternal Flame, yet again Dufus?" [Shane Dowling alias
Kangaroo Court Australia @ ***@gmail.com]

dolf: “Mr Peter Bowditch (Australian Skeptics) and fasgnadh (atheist
reformed evangelist) are presently dealing with the consequence of their
ANZAC defamation and denial…”

Peter Bowditch (Anomalous Atheist #2243) of the Australian Skeptics /
The Millennium Project [www.ratbags.com/rsoles]: “Dolt - please fuck off.”

Mr Peter Bowditch is as a person of British decent who is engaged in
racial, sexual and religious vilification of our Constitutional Rights.
And I am most adamant about eventually bringing that fascist cunt to his
knees in showing a proper respect.

Arguments from Ignorance are lame, and yours is a rather lame version of
an Argument from Ignorance. To wit: "A prominent atheist has not
explained this to my satisfaction so it must be a miracle."

Just like adding the notion of HYPONOMIC (under or subject to law) to
the consideration of COSMOLOGICAL ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE.

Didn't God tell Moses about the Sabbath (7th) day 3,500 years ago?

And didn't they observe a 293 (294 x 364 as base 7 numbering) year
calendar cycle from Wednesday 20 March?

From that we can argue the following:

1) Dawkins has no credibility and is morally bankrupt.

2) The Catholic Church can be reqarded as equally fascist because they
wanted the same crown and control of marriage as the basis for global
governance.

3) This Prime Ministerial (John Howard) statement is fascist: “marriage
means the union of a man and a woman to the exclusion of all others,
voluntarily entered into for life” occurred in August 2004 with the
passage of the Marriage Legislation Amendment Bill as an Act to amend
the Australian Commonwealth Marriage Act 1961 and Family Law Act 1975.

Thankfully I have never been defiled by being in the presence of our
Prime Minister John Howard in Briagolong whom I consider has pandered to
the desires and ambitions of the Roman Catholic Church and enemy against
the "Sovereign Autonomy" of the Commonwealth.

The fact that we have a SABBATH day as 7th day is substantiation of a
HYPONOMIC (subject or under law) and DISPENSATIONAL basis to the COSMOS
and Governance.

And tolerance of Islam is made on the basis that, long before the
emergence of any democratic sovereign and autonomous societies, they
1500 years ago had to contend with the evil of the Catholic Church.

dolf: “Is Richard Dawkins dead yet?”

That his work on “Being and Time”, for all its achievements, is no
innocent piece of philosophy. Although some have argued that it may not
have directly encouraged Nazism, it clearly leaves Heidegger open to
such an accusation. For in “Being and Time”, intelligibility is subject
to the world: I can understand nothing that is not within the horizons
of my world. Escape from this world is achievable not through critical
reason but only in a mute and mystified “resolve”. [McCumber 1999:3]

Yet for much of the Western world, the difficulty of Heidegger's thought
was for many years held to be almost insuperable in the medium of a
foreign language, especially English. That this opinion is no longer so
widely held can be seen both from the rapidly increasing number of
translations of Heidegger's works and from the interest of a growing
readership. There are signs moreover, that as a preeminent thinker of
our age, Heidegger may be of interest to many who do not claim to have a
wide knowledge of traditional metaphysics or whose concern with him may
not be primarily philosophical at all.

Such readers have a certain advantage in bringing an open mind to a new
problem, but they also have special difficulties in grappling with
Heidegger. [King 2001:xviii]

However as Gadamer (1976) suggests when the layman wonders what
philosophy really is, he has the idea that philosophising means
defining, and taking responsibility for the need to define, the concepts
in which all men think as homo[ios] sapien[tal]. Since as a rule we do
not see this happen, we have helped ourselves by means of a doctrine of
implicit definition.

In reality, however, such a “doctrine” is a mere verbalism as is the
neologism starting with the German word: Dasein--which is not another
name for ‘consciousness’, ’subject’, or ‘human being’. Heidegger
introduces a vocabulary that challenges the reader [Stambaugh
2010:xviii]. To say nothing of the Hebrew word: Dashen {(#4 - Daleth;
#300 - Shin; #50 - Nun = #354 / #390 as H1878) specifically to anoint;
figuratively to satisfy; denominatively (from H1880 ) to remove (fat)
ashes (of sacrifices):—accept, anoint, take away the (receive) ashes
(from), make (wax) fat}. For to call a definition implicit obviously
means one finally comes to notice, on the basis of a number of sentences
that someone has spoken. And he or she was thinking something
unambiguous by means of using a concept. In this respect, philosophers
are no different from other men, for other men too are in the habit of
thinking definite things and avoiding contradictions. The lay opinion
appealed to here is in fact dominated by the doctrine that universals or
general ideas are mere names without any corresponding reality as
nominalistic tradition of recent centuries, in considering linguistic
reproduction as a kind of application of signs. It is obvious that
artificial signs need an organisation and arrangement that excludes any
ambiguity. Thus the demand arises that the illusionary problems of
“metaphysics” must be unmasked by establishing the univocal use of
language. [Gadamer 1971:125-126]

In his scheme to refresh philosophy, Heidegger, like Hegel (1770-1831),
draws upon the earthy roots of his language and dialect. So a promising
way of achieving this refreshment would be the exercise of translating
“Being and Time” into the Anglo-Saxon language. Or perhaps into the
Welsh or Gaelic idioms. Or for that matter, into Hebrew with its
association to the earliest Semitic tongue and most probable origin of
language. [King 2001:xv]

How then did Heidegger's publication in 1927 of “Being and Time”, and in
1929 with his provocative book on Kant's “Critique of Pure Reason” in
his treatise on “Kant and the Problem of Metaphysics” or his 1939
lectures: “On the Essence of Language: The Metaphysics of Language and
Essencing of the Word” in relation to the German Lutheran theologian and
philosopher Johann Herder's 1772 treatise: “On the Origin of Language”,
lead to the German Reich policy on the genocidal annihilation and
nullification of Judaism as the absence of being? Herder (1744-1803) was
the progenitor of the volkgeist (“Spirit of the people”) conception and
had advanced a cultural superiority by the injunction: “Spew out the
ugly slime of the Seine. Speak German, O You German.” Yet whilst he
supported the French Revolution (1789–1799), his anti-authoritarianism,
anti-militarism, and borderless humanitarianism values would generally
have caused him to find the subsequent acts of political domination, war
and empire which make up the vast bulk of these “great” deeds and events
of history as not just morally unedifying, but morally repugnant.
[Stanford Encyclopaedia of Philosophy 2007]

Heidegger was struggling to distance his thought from the prevailing
neo-Kantian tendency in German philosophical circles of the time, and
this resulted in a highly original interpretation of Kant (1724-1804).
From the standpoint of the development of Heidegger’s own endeavour,
his book: “Kant and the Problem of Metaphysics” is of pivotal importance
because it takes up and extends a number of themes suggested in “Being
and Time”, in particular the problem of how Heidegger proposed to enact
his “destruction” of the metaphysical tradition and of what role his
reading of Kant would play in that project. It’s this problematic about
Kant’s Categories as it relates to Being in traditional metaphysics and
the phenomenon of time which accounts for what some have called the
“violence” of Heidegger’s interpretation as even he unequivocally
acknowledged in the preface to his 1950 edition. [Taft 1997:xii, xx]

Heidegger asks, “What is the human being?” If I speak, so therefore I
am. It is through and in the being, human language comes into being and
vice versa; in the coming into being of language the human being “is”
the human being. [Gregory 2004:87] How then was any one of Jewish
descent considered as less than human after the 7 November 1938
assassination of Ernst vom Rath, the third Secretary of the German
Embassy in Paris by his reputed 17yo homosexual companion, a German born
Polish Jew named Herschel Grynszpan. As the impetus for Kristallnacht
within days following and the beginning of the Final Solution as
Holocaust--Where was God? I do not desire to participate in the attitude
of silence as others have promulgated to this very time, and neither do
I consider subterfuge in the use of language as the only applicable and
acceptable answer to such questions: “Vous êtes sur un site francophone.
Yez la politesse et la correction de vous exprimer en français.”

This then relates to a little anecdote about my activities as timely
actions over the siege in Toulouse, France on 21-23 March 2012 in
relation to the earlier massacre of three paratroopers (ethnic and
muslim), school children and a Jewish Rabbi by an Islamic extremist.
Whilst enjoying a walk, I made some appraisals of the most probable
cause of the event before it was disclosed as public news. In that the 7
murders which occurred as terrorist activity were in part being
attributed to abuses as starvation of Palestinian children due to an
inability by the menfolk to pursue their livelihoods because of a
confiscation of their tools of trade at border crossings in Israel. And
as a consequence of my comments, as actions of goodwill and regard to
European friends, I found my words as ideas (unity of being, dignity and
discrimination by the State versus the animalistic behaviour of the
perpetrators) being uttered from the mouths of the French President
Nicolas Sarkozy and a Jewish Rabbi in Israel which were subsequently
reported on the news.

In querying the political motive of UNICEF workers in the street (Sale,
Victoria) that same day, I remarked that not even Kofi Annan would be
able to take the “King” of Syria (President Bashar al-Assad) out of my
hands--and indeed that is so today as Russia, China and America are all
indebted to my intellectual property associated to governance.

There was in response to my calculated statements as provocations made
towards the Republic of France (on alt.France) in their time of great
need, an attempt by some person (René Groumal) without any remorse or
apology, to falsely and slanderously characterise my public Internet
statements as being fascist or neo-nazi. I am categorically neither. The
source of my ideology as autonomic doctrines of unity, co-operation,
freedom and democracy are not derived from Adolf Hitler. But that my
prophet is Moses and therefore I am not anti-Semitic.

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Governance (religion), angels and time, set in stone: Angel Solar Watch
(replica) 1582 CE Chartres Cathedral, France
anthropo- (comb. form)
human; of a human being: anthropometry.
• relating to humankind: anthropology.
ORIGIN from Greek anthrōpos ‘human being.’

anthropic principle (noun)
the cosmological principle that theories of the universe are constrained
by the necessity to allow human existence
ORIGIN 1970s: anthropic from Greek anthrōpikos, from anthrōpos ‘human
being.’

In its ‘weak’ form the anthropic principle affirms that a universe in
which living observers cannot exist is inherently unobservable. ‘Strong’
forms take this line of reasoning further, seeking to explain features
of the universe as being so because they are necessary for human existence.


Emperor as Centre of the Universe

Our attention is then immediately drawn to the contention between the
Jewish Kabbalistic calendaring worldview which is celebrated by the New
Moon Festival on 25 January 2012 and that which is given by the Canon of
Supreme Mystery published in 2 BCE. This Chinese Lunar Calendar uses the
KAN descriptor which correlates to “Heaven’s Mystery” on #8 - KAN
(Tetragram: #8 - Opposition; I-Ching: H46 - Moving Upward) as the entry
for the New Moon festival celebrated on midnight Monday 23 January 2012
as commencing the Year of the Dragon which according to the 364.5 day
calendar of the Natural Year used at the time of the HAN Dynasty (206
BCE-220 CE), found its inception as the New Moon on the midnight of the
Winter Solstice of 21 December 103 BCE on #1 - CHUNG (Tetragram: #1 -
Centre; I-Ching: H61 - Inner Truth).

“We have Jesus on the cross
Your cold love put him there.
What is now your human loss?
Forever gone and despair.”

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According to Yang Hsiung’s 2 BCE commentary of the appraisals, the Yang
ch’i here supports things in their advance, and seems to be drilling
into solid matter. Thrusting forward like a spear, there is penetration.
The title of this tetragram means “to hit or knock against,” “to
offend,”, “to seek”, and “to violate.” The clearly negative associations
are employed by Yang in the unlucky, odd-numbered Appraisals:

“The high priest therefore asked Jesus {savior; deliverer} of his
disciples, and of his teaching. Jesus answered him, I have spoken openly
to the world; I ever taught in synagogues, and in the temple, where all
the Jews come together; and in secret spake I nothing. Why askest thou
me? Ask them that have heard me, what I spake unto them: behold, these
know the things which I said. And when he had said this, one of the
officers standing by struck Jesus with his hand, saying, Answerest thou
the high priest so? Jesus answered him, If I have spoken evil, bear
witness of the evil: but if well, why smitest thou me? Annas {one who
answers; humble} therefore sent him bound unto Caiaphas the high
priest.” [John 18:19-24 (ASV)]

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vince garcia
2012-05-29 11:17:36 UTC
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As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

--Apostle paul
A thousand may pray until their knees are bloody, but if they are not
keeping His Commandments, God says their prayer is an abomination to
Him. Yet the prayers of one one man who abides in Him can change the
"The effectual fervent prayer of a RIGHTEOUS man availeth much."
James 5:16 KJV
“Little children, let no one deceive you. He who DOES RIGHT is
RIGHTEOUS.” 1 John 3:7 RSV
Sounds good, doesn't it? SOUNDS like something a believer in Christ
might really say.

But what is the truth behind what Donna Kupp teaches and believes?

How can we know if this woman is of God or actually a false teacher when
she speaks?

Paul gives us the answer:

2 cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve
through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the
simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not
preached, or if ye receive ANOTHER SPIRIT, which ye have not received,
or ANOTHER GOSPEL, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with
him.

2 cor 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming
themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of
light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed
as the MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS; whose end shall be according to their
works.

Donna Kupp, for those who do not know, is a woman preaching a false
gospel with a false Christ that denies virtually every possible
essential of the Christian faith.

Note here paul's words about false teachers: they will actually be
"MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS"!!!!! Not antinomians, teaching lawlessness
and freedom to sin, but MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, teaching an
apparently good-sounding Gospel that is actually ANOTHER GOSPEL about
ANOTHER JESUS!

Let us test Donna Kupp's own words against the doctrines of
the New Testament and the Christian church, and see if we can determine
whether she is a servant of God, or actually a minister of Satan!

1. First, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach "ANOTHER
JESUS."

Is Donna Kupp's Jesus YOUR Jesus? Is her Jesus the Jesus of
Scripture?

While Donna Kupp just made a number of statements sound like something a
real Christian might make, we cannot make a judgment whether she is or
is not a true Christian based only on what she just posted here. We must
determine if she really teaches the same Jesus REAL Christians follow by
looking at statements she, herself, has made about Christ in the past,
that she may not throw out on a regular basis, because she knows it
reveals what she REALLY thinks about Christ.

So what does she actually say about the Jesus she follows, and
supposedly places faith in?

This...
"In the beginning was Jesus
and Jesus was with THE RULER,
and Jesus was Ruler.
The same was in the beginning with THE RULER."
John was teaching that Jesus was our Ruler (our theos) and that
Jesus was with the Father from the very beginning of creation.
(Not that Jesus was one third of some mysterious and mind-
boggling "Trinity" that no one had ever heard of.)
We can stop right there. Donna Kupp, denying the deity of Christ,
rewrites the Gospel of John in a manner that affirms that denial, so we
can either change all our Bibles to her new trenslation that "proves"
Jesus is NOT fully God, but some other sort of created lesser being, or
we can allow the sacred words of the apostle John to stand AS WRITTEN!

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the WORD
WAS GOD.

So we see her Jesus is ANOTHER JESUS that orthodox Protestants and
Evangelicals (and Catholics) DO NOT believe in.

For US, Jesus is God in flesh, fully God and fully man, and 2nd Person
of the Trinity she goes on to mock and deny.


2. Next, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach or operate under
a "DIFFERENT SPIRIT".

Does Donna Kupp teach and receive anoining by the same Holy Spirit that
REAL Christians follow?

Judge for yourself by her own words.
The concept that the Holy Spirit is God is based on a single verse in
Acts (5:3) where it says that Ananias lied to the Holy Spirit - and
later it says that he lied to God.
To conclude that the Holy Spirit is God on the basis of those verses is
merely an interpretation which adds to what is actually written. Since
the Spirit is the means of communciation between God and man, if you
lie to the Spirit you are in effect lying to God. Are there any verses
which actually say that the Holy Spirit is God?
Not one!
Jesus did not teach the Trinity, the apostles did not teach it, and it
was not taught by church leaders for three hundred years after the
death of Christ.
All REAL Christians believe not only in the deity of Christ, but also
the Godhood of the Holy Spirit. As we see from her own words, Donna
Kupp denies those two essentials of the faith, and proclaims the Holy
Spirit is only some nebulous "means of communication between God and
man"

So now we see she has fulfilled the SECOND warning of Paul--she has
A DIFFERENT SPIRIT than REAL Christians do.

By the way, her LIES about the history of the Trinity are instantly
refutable:

The deity of Christ was EXPLICITLY taught by Ignatius in the early 2nd
century

"To the Church at Ephesus in Asia . . . chosen through true suffering by
the will of the Father in Jesus Christ our God"
"FOR OUR GOD, Jesus Christ, was conceived by Mary in accord with God�s
plan: of the seed of David, it is true, but also of the Holy Spirit"

Letter to the Ephesians 1 110 AD
There is no record of the co-equal, co-eternal, three-in-one God
being taught by a single one of the early church fathers. It
was not a part of Christian teaching until it was formulated by the
Second Ecumenical Council at Constantinople in 381.A.D.
"No record"?


For the Church, although dispersed throughout the whole world even to
the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and from their
disciples the faith in one God, the Father Almighty . . . and in one
Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who became flesh for our salvation; and in
the Holy Spirit

Irenaeus, before 200 AD

And at the same time the mystery of the oikonomia is safeguarded, for
the unity is distributed in a TRINITY. Placed in order, the three are
the Father, Son, and Spirit. They are three, however, not in condition,
but in degree; not in being, but in form; not in power, but in kind; of
one being, however, and one condition and one power, because he is one
God of whom degrees and forms and kinds are taken into account in the
name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit"

Tertullian "Against Praxeas" early 200s AD

For Scripture as much announces Christ AS ALSO GOD, as it announces God
himself as man. It has as much described Jesus Christ to be man, as
moreover it has also described Christ the Lord to be God. Because it
does not set forth him to be the Son of God only, but also the son of
man; nor does it only say, the son of man, but it has also been
accustomed to speak of him as the Son of God. So that being of both, he
is both, lest if he should be one only, he could not be the other. For
as nature itself has prescribed that he must be believed to be a man who
is of man, so the same nature prescribes also that he must be believed
to be God who is of God. . . . Let them, therefore, who read that Jesus
Christ the son of man is man, read also that this same Jesus is called
also God and the Son of God"

Novatian, Treatise on the Trinity 11 235 AD

And now the capstone to Kupp's historial and TEXTUAL illiteracy:

The Lord says: 'I and the Father are one.' And again of the Father and
Son and the Holy Spirit it is written: 'And these three are one'.
Cyprian --Treatise 1 on the unity of the Catholic Church, chapter 6,
early 3rd century, PROVING THE LEGITIMACY OF THE COMMA JOHANNEUM KUPP
(and other historical illiterates) SAY IS A FRAUD.


3. The minister of Satan will also teach "ANOTHER GOSPEL."

Does Donna Kupp uphold the CHRISTIAN gospel? We've already seen she
denies and perverts the nature of Jesus Himself and the precious Holy
Spirit. But what is her actual gospel message? She talks about
obedience, and making Jesus Lord...but what does she really believe
about sin, justification, and sanctification? Does she ever lay out her
beliefs in clear language so the body of Christ can see and judge
whether she is or is not a fellow believer?

Yes!
To be saved is the first step in the process of salvation. Those who
are saved do not have eternal life -
Did you get that? THOSE WHO ARE SAVED ___DO NOT___HAVE ETERNAL LIFE!!!

LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

jn 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, HATH eternal life;
and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name
of the Son of God; that YE MAY KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that
ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of
yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
"If one who is born of God has truly repented of committing sin
(chosen to cease from sin) and then deliberately commits sin he has
despised the Holy Spirit, just as the OT the Israelites despised the
Law of God. It is blasphemy!"
"When we are converted all past sins are forgiven. After a person is
born-again, only sins of ignorance are forgiven. If a person sins
with knowledge and intent after that time, they have blasphemed
the Holy Spirit and there is no more sacrifice for sin. See Hebrews
6:1-8; Hebrews 10:26-31."
LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves
are ALSO FOUND SINNERS, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God
forbid.

Apparently, paul understood that even those justified in Christ STILL
SINNED!

Are we sure? Well, let's again test the doctrine of donna kupp by Paul's
own words, written in the last months of his life:

1 tim 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation,
that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I AM
CHIEF.

Wait a minute--I thought Donna said any Christian who willingly commits
even ONE SIN is eternally damned!

Apparently, paul did not realize this when he acknowledged he was the
WORST of sinners in 67 AD when he wrote this, 30+ years after finding
Christ! Thus, he must have been guilty of blaspheming the spirit
according to false teachers harold and donna kupp

What else did Paul have to say about whether Christians do or do not
commit sin in romans 7?

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing:
for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I
find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: BUT THE EVIL WHICH I WOULD NOT,
____THAT I DO___.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin
that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with
me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my
mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my
members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this
death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I
myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Does THAT sound like a man who has reached the state of sinless
perfection like Donna Kupp, who claims any sin she commits is 100%
accidental and unintentional??????

And this is her ultimate blasphemy regarding the blood of Christ...
Blood of Christ covers: 1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light,
as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the
blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. (Only sins
of ignorance)
Notice how donna kupp added the words "Only sins of ignorance" to
pervert John's words? Just as she did with the powerful passage in John
1:1, she rejects the message and inserts her own heretical words flat
out CONTRADICTING what was actually written! John says Christ's blood
cleanses us from ALL sin; Donna adds words to change it to all
UNINTENTIONAL sins, making the blood of Christ LIMITED in its ability to
atone for sin.

Kupp also has missed what Jesus said about how imperfect His followers
will always be:

Luke 4:4 And FORGIVE US OUR SINS; for we also forgive every one that is
indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from
evil.

Meanwhile, THIS is God's true message of salvation:

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become
the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

And while Donna Kupp blasphemes the gospel by claiming we keep--and
actually earn--our salvation through keeping the 10 commandments
perfectly, here is what the SCRIPTURE says about how we stay in right
standing security with God:

1 peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a
lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not
away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 WHO ARE KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD __THROUGH FAITH__ UNTO SALVATION
ready to be revealed in the last time.

So now we see her "gospel" IS NOT the gospel of the New testament. It is
a false gospel that...

A. Requires Bible verses to be rewritten in a heretical manner.
B. Requires adding a clarification to Scripture that TOTALLY overturns
what the Scripture actually SAYS.
C. Must deny the deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit.
D. Requires remaining in a state of salvation by keeping the 10
commandments PERFECTLY, or else the person is now damned without
possibility of repentance.
E. Blasphemes and limits the atoning power of Christ's blood to
"Only sins of ignorance."


4. As we noted, Paul says the MINISTER OF SATAN will actually appear to
be a MINISTER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS! That is what makes them so deceptive.
They are serpents in the guise of sheep, preaching righteous living and
'keeping God's holy law' while in their hearts is satan himself, drawing
people away from TRUE righteousness, to a perverted notion of it based
on keeping commandments!

Take a look at Donna Kupp's deceptive posts, including this one. Every
one touts the keeping of biblical commandments, threatens people with
damnation for failing to keep biblical commandments, and threatenes them
with damnation if anyone should ever--EVEN ONE TIME--willingly BREAK a
biblical commandment.

So Kupp APPEARS to be preaching the righteousness of 'keeping God's holy
commandments'...yet she does it in a way that is an UTTER PERVERSION of
the gospel of grace, and comes right from the mouth of satan speaking
good things, and making her LOOK like a minister of righetousness.

So, summing it up, Paul says that a minister of satan will...

Preach another Jesus...
Preach under another spirit...
Preach a different gospel...
While appearing to be a minister of righteousness while doing so!

I believe Donna Kupp meets ALL FOUR CRITERIA.

Based on the totality of her teachings, I see no conclusion other than
that the "Jesus" she follows is a demon spirit, and the "Yahweh" she
speaks for is actually SATAN.


I am dead to the law by the crucified body of Christ. Are you?
Rod
2012-05-30 21:57:17 UTC
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On 5/27/2012 3:42 PM, dolf wrote:


Shutup Dolt...
dolf
2012-05-27 21:33:13 UTC
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We seem to have Catholic dogs like vince garcia and duke managing
conversations for years so as to prevent the fostering of any viable
alternative (as degree of belief) to Catholic dogma as their disbelief
in blasphemy which is the lack any real and tangible Christian identity
as unbelief.
Post by vince garcia
I belive she is NOT struggling, but simplky giving into full blown
heresy.
FYI: Want some reading material?
Prayers to the apostles, saints and Mary are an abomination!
http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/1789862/prayers-to-the-apostles-saints-and-mary-are-an-abomination
The legion of mary
http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/1140570/the-legion-of-mary
It would seem that we are being subject to a systematic campaign of
fascist based religious, racial and sexual prejudices by Uergil and his
supposed atheist mates.

"We have Jesus on the cross
Your cold love put him there.
What is now your human loss?
Forever gone and despair."

What gives BroilJAB (***@wmconnect.com) away is his unusual
capacity as a claimed atheist, to call the Pontiff holy when he is in
fact perverse.

It would appear that once again, we have mongrel catholic dogs engaged
in public campaigns of disinformation and vilification of the truth,
which diminishes our human rights.

dolf: “Wasn’t the Pope recently asked on: ‘Creationists need [for a]
Catholic vision’?”



BroilJAB (***@wmconnect.com): “Lets hope the Holy Pontiff
sets many creationists back on the right path.”



Vurgil or Uirgit? (***@arg.erg / ***@uirgil.ur): “It would be a
great improvement.”



dolf: “He knows Greedy!”



BroilJAB (***@wmconnect.com): “From what I understand.”



Vurgil or Uirgit? (***@arg.erg / ***@uirgil.ur): “Which is nothing!”



dolf: “Is it painful? 

Very soon being Roman Catholic will be prima
facie proof of guilt in claims of crimes against the dignity of the
'Sovereign Autonomy' made under the Commonwealth of Australia.”



#20 / ***@zen: 5, row: 3, col: 3, nous: 7 [Super: #397 / #46 -
Guiding Contentment, Moderation of Desire; I-Ching: H1 - Creative
Principle/Heaven; Tetra: 37 - Purity, Ego: #403 / #7 - Intentional
Reversal, Dimming Radiance; I-Ching: H12 - Stagnation; Tetra: 56 -
Closed Mouth] {Transforming Nature {DOUBLE: Form of Nature {Autonomous
Nature}}}

In relation to this notion of The Decade is the meaning of Yom Kippur as
a ritual of nullification held over a 10 day period commencing a new
Moon on 18 September 2001 (as my particular interest for synchronising
the centre of the Grapple Temporal / Noumenal Reality for a 5 day period
being #41 on 13 September 2001 as a centrifugal model comprising septet
#369 magic squares with the solar / lunar chronological cycle and
rational representation of PI / ENNEAD) and the Dead Sea Scroll
chronological principle which is a cosmological straight line--hence
transcendent--in having a starting point on the Equinox of Wednesday 20
March 1996 with a new Moon on Thursday 21 March for a base 7 Numbering
system intrinsic to the cosmogony as rational representation of PI.

In that for 3 x 364 days = 1092 days there was a lunar/solar comparison
of 3 x 354 lunar years + 30 days = 1092 days. There are in a cycle of 5
x 364 days + 182 days (as a 1/2 cycle) two fragments in the Dead Sea
Scroll relics related to the 1st day of the 7th solar month as occurring
on 12 September 2001 and the 21st priestly course starting on Sunday 16
September 2001 which fragment also brings together an association of the
solar and lunar cycles which appear to have been a readily observable
phenomenon.

In that this has according to the Dead Sea Scrolls, a reprise in a 294 x
364 day years as 6 Jubilees or 293 x 365.2423 days (just short of the
tropical years, but technologically better than the Julian calendar of
365.25 days instigated in 45 BCE and reformed in 1582 CE (1751 CE in
British Empire) by the Gregorian calendar reforms due to an
intercalation error resulting in a lost of synchronicity comprising a
magnitude loss of one day every 128 years. This forms the basis for
arguing a metaphysical and cosmological origin of language as 22
elements of the Hebrew letters which is otherwise shown geometrically as
an indestructible object (atom) in the association of the 10 as Decade
(as Greek and Ennead as Egyptian notions) and counts (number) and the 22
letters as 3 horizontal (Mother letters), 7 vertical lines (Double
letters) and 12 diagonal lines (Single letters):

Kabbalistic Tree of Life

ATZILUTH {1st as “World of Emanation” also known as Olam Atzilut, עולם
אצילות in Hebrew}

BRIYAH {2nd as “World of Creation” also known as Olam Briyah, עולם בריאה
in Hebrew}

YETZIRAH {3rd as “World of Formation” also known as Olam Yetsirah, עולם
יצירה in Hebrew}

ASSIYAH {4th as “World of Action” also known as Olam Asiyah, עולם עשיה
in Hebrew}

- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/tree.gif
- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/yetziratic_wheel.png

This is Chaldean / Babylonian in Origins: Hebrew letters as described in
the “Sefer Yetzirah”

YETZIRAH as in “Making" is as opposed to BRIYAH as in "Creating"
Actually taking whatever matter that was created in the BRIYAH and
shaping it into the basic elements.

It is also possible to divide the number of days in 400 years in the
Gregorian calendar reforms as 146,097 days by 7 and that when made
divisible by 22 to obtain the remainder, and to arrange the Hebrew
letters in a pattern which has a remainder of #13 as being in the middle
of the Chinese 2 BCE published DAO TE CHING / I CHING division of the
year into 364.5 days and the Jewish Kabbalah equivalent which deployed a
magic square of #369 having a distinct mathematical property at centre
of #41 for the equivalent date of 13 September.

#0 MOD 22 = 22 [#TAU / #400] as 4000 BCE
#400 MOD 22 = 17 [#PE / #80]
#800 MOD 22 = 12 [#LAMED / #30]
#1200 MOD 22 = 7 [#ZAYIN / #7]
#1600 MOD 22 = 2 [#BETH / #2]
#2000 MOD 22 = 19 [#QOPH / #100]
#2400 MOD 22 = 14 [#NUN / #50]
#2800 MOD 22 = 9 [#TETH / #9]
#3200 MOD 22 = 4 [#DALETH / #4]
#3600 MOD 22 = 21 [#SHIN / #300]
#4000 MOD 22 = 16 [#'AYIN / #70] = #0 CE as HETEROS (MALE/FEMALE
MARRIAGE -- WHAT IS SIN & WICKEDNESS?) autonomic transformative
prototype and symbolic associator to the series #15 CE, #34 CE, #65 CE,
#111 CE, #175 CE, #260 CE, #369 CE ... #2000 Y2K
#4400 MOD 22 = 11 [#KAF / #20] = #400 CE
#4800 MOD 22 = 6 [#VAV / #6] = #800 CE
#5200 MOD 22 = 1 [#ALEPH / #1] = #1200 CE
#5600 MOD 22 = 18 [#TSADE / #90] = #1600 CE
#6000 MOD 22 = 13 [#MEM / #40] = #2000 Y2K / Equinox of DATE(1996,3,20)
+ (5 * 364) + 182 days = Wednesday DATE(2001,9,12) with Equinox of
Saturday DATE(2001,9,23) commencing the Sabbath year of 'oth cycle

- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/toth9.gif

#6400 MOD 22 = 8 [#CHET / #8]
#6800 MOD 22 = 3 [#GIMEL / #3]
#7200 MOD 22 = 20 [#RESH / #200]
#7600 MOD 22 = 15 [#SAMEK / #60]
#8000 MOD 22 = 10 [#YOD / #10]
#8400 MOD 22 = 5 [#HE / #5]
#8800 MOD 22 = 22 [#TAU / #400] as 8800 CE

In many instances, the Torah also uses words and phrases in ways that
cannot be understood in their literal sense. There are a number of very
obvious examples of this in the narrative of the Creation, for the
metaphysical events that took place at that time were far removed from
the natural order of the world we know today. They could not have been
accurately described in ways that we can understand, nor in language
that we can relate to. For example, the Torah tells us how God brought
the world into being through speech, when in fact He created the world
through a form of thought. When the Torah describes God's thought
process as speech, it makes it easier for us to grasp the idea on our
own level. [Copyright © 2001 by Rabbi Daniel Travis and www.Torah.org]

dolf: “Fascist Dogs BroilJAB & Uergil discuss their creation denial!”

BroilJAB (***@wmconnect.com): “The deviant creationists twist
and turn, twist the words of the faithful.

Sad it is to see them like this.”

Uergil (***@uer.net): “If there is any damnation, it is the nation
creationists inhabit.”

dolf: “Vurgil or Uirgit? (***@arg.erg / ***@uirgil.ur)

Or is it now Uergil?

Creationist denial has its roots in German political theatre.

Numerological and mystic speculation was especially rife amongst German
Romantics and Naturphilosophien during the nineteenth century and grew
out of ancient teleological speculations concerning the harmonious
distribution of the heavenly bodies. Such speculation was by no means
confined to the celestial motions; in 1818 the Kantian mineralogist
Christian Weiss even argues for a link between aspects of
rhombic-dodecahedral crystal structure and the musical scale of tones!
However, such flights of imaginative fancy generally had little impact
upon the work of serious scientists; with one notable exception.

In 1766 Johann Daniel Titius von Wittenberg was preparing a German
translation of Charles Bonnet’s Contemplation de la Nature. To the
section on planetary motions he added a now famous footnote pointing out
that the radii of all the planetary orbits can be generated by the
following simple algorithm, where r is measured in astronomical units (1
AU = 1.496 x 1013 cm):


rn = 0.4 + 0.3 x 2n; n = 0,1,2…


This formula provided a striking approximation for the distance from the
Sun to the six then-known planets: Mercury {Measured: 0.39, Predicted:
0.4}, Venus {Measured: 0.72, Predicted: 0.7}, Earth {Measured: 1.00,
Predicted: 1.0}, Mars {Measured: 1.52, Predicted: 1.6}, Jupiter
{Measured: 5.20, Predicted: 5.2}, Saturn {Measured: 9.55, Predicted:
10.0}. Their measured distances from the Sun at the time of the Law’s
inception are indicated together with Titius’ predictions. [Rediscovery
of the Anthropic Principle, John Barrow & Frank Tipler, The Anthropic
Cosmological Principle, © 1996, p 221]

There is no more opportunity for repentance--and neither for forgiveness.

To hell with you!”

#21 / ***@zen: 5, row: 3, col: 7, nous: 67 [Super: #313 / #24 -
Important Distinctions, Trouble from Indulgence; I-Ching: H5 - Delay;
Tetra: 18 - Waiting, Ego: #462 / #67 - Three Treasures; I-Ching: H10 -
Tread Carefully; Tetra: 48 - Ritual] {Autonomous Nature {MOTHER: Scales
of Liability}}
vince garcia
2012-05-27 22:22:36 UTC
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As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, LET HIM BE ACCURSED.

--Apostle paul



John 1:1 DKV
Donna Kupp version
"In the beginning was Jesus
and Jesus was with THE RULER,
and Jesus was Ruler.
vs

Everyone else's translations...
_______________________________________________________________________


John 1:1 CJB
Complete Jewish Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 ESV
English Standard Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 HNV
Hebrew Names Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 KJV
King James Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 ASV
American Standard Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 BBE
Bible in Basic English
From the first he was the Word, and the Word was in relation with God
and was God.


John 1:1 CEB
Common English Bible
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was
God.


John 1:1 RHE
Douay-Rheims
In the beginning was the Word: and the Word was with God: and the Word
was God.

John 1:1 GW
GOD'S WORD Translation
In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and
the Word was God.

John 1:1 GNT
Good News Translation
In the beginning the Word already existed; the Word was with God, and
the Word was God.


John 1:1 CSB
Holman Christian Standard
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 LEB
Lexham English Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.

New American Standard
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 NCV
New Century Version
In the beginning there was the Word. The Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 NIRV
New International Reader's Version
In the beginning, the Word was already there. The Word was with God, and
the Word was God.


John 1:1 NIV
New International Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 NKJV
New King James Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 NLT
New Living Translation
In the beginning the Word already existed. He was with God, and he was
God.


John 1:1 NRS
New Revised Standard
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.

John 1:1 NWT
New World Translation (Jehovah's Witnesses)
1 In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the
Word was a god.

John 1:1 RSV
Revised Standard Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.

John 1:1 DT
The Darby Translation
In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 MSG
The Message
The Word was first, the Word present to God, God present to the Word.
The Word was God,


John 1:1 WBT
The Webster Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 TMB
Third Millennium Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 TNIV
Today's New International Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 WNT
Weymouth New Testament
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 WEB
World English Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.


John 1:1 WYC
Wycliffe
In the beginning was the word, and the word was at God, and God was the
word. [In the beginning was the word, that is, God's Son, and the word
was at God, and God was the word.]


John 1:1 YLT
Young's Literal Translation
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God;




Well...this post shows an example of what Donna and Harold Kupp find it
necessary to do in order to promote THEIR version of Christ and the
Gospel: Rewrite one of the most important verses of scripture, and
pervert it into a ridiculous statement of BS ...for certainly every
Bible that dares render the greek (correctly) as "The word was God" MUST
be wrong.

Apparently, only Harold and Donna Kupp know how to translate scripture
correctly.

Perhaps they claim the anointing and authority of Joseph Smith as well?

As wrong as they are on their 'translation' here is as wrong as they are
on EVERY POINT OF DOCTRINE THEY HAVE.


But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his
subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is
in Christ.
For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not
preached, or if ye receive ANOTHER SPIRIT, which ye have not received,
or ANOTHER GOSPEL, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with
him.

--Apostle paul


Donna Kupp meets all 3 criteria
Jim
2012-05-28 04:33:36 UTC
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Php 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given
him a name which is above every name:
Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of
things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ
is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

my salvation :)


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dolf
2012-05-28 23:32:00 UTC
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The Catholic Church can be reqarded as equally fascist because they
wanted the same crown and control of marriage as the basis for global
governance.

That view is further sustained by the fact that we have a SABBATH day as
7th day is substantiation of a HYPONOMIC (subject or under law) and
DISPENSATIONAL basis to the COSMOS and Governance.

And tolerance of Islam is made on the basis that, long before the
emergence of democratic sovereign and autonomous societies, they 1500
years ago had to contend with the evil of the Catholic Church.
There is no difference between Fascism (whether under Julius
Caesar or Hitler) and the Roman Catholic Church and it is
perverse for you to suggest otherwise;
Not at all ironic that the Catholic Church so strongly supported
the Nazis during their slaughter during WWII.
Hundreds of Catholic priests and thousands of Catholics were murdered
in the camps. You think the pope supported this?
"The Papal States (the name given to land previously owned by the Roman
Catholic Church in Italy) had lost all its land in the 1870 unification
of Italy. The Roman Catholic Church received £30 million in compensation
in 1929 and the Church was given 109 acres in Rome to create a new papal
state - the Vatican. The pope was allowed a small army, police force,
post office and rail station. The pope was also given a country retreat
called Castel Gandolfo.

Another part of the treaty was called the Concordat. This made the Roman
Catholic faith the state religion - this was a fait accompli anyway. The
pope appointed his bishops, though they had to receive the government’s
blessing. Religion had to be taught in both primary and secondary
schools. The Roman Catholic Church was given full control of marriage.

When these agreements were signed in 1929, Mussolini’s popularity was at
its highest. He had got what he wanted - the support from the members of
the public who may not have supported the Fascists but who saw the Roman
Catholic Church working with the Fascist government, and that by itself
created a tacit acceptance of Mussolini’s government."

- http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/mussolini_roman_catholic.htm
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
--Apostle paul
Kupp also has missed what Jesus said about how imperfect His
Luke 4:4 And FORGIVE US OUR SINS; for we also forgive every one that
is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us
from evil.
John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to
And while Donna Kupp blasphemes the gospel by claiming we keep--and
actually earn--our salvation through keeping the 10 commandments
perfectly, here is what the SCRIPTURE says about how we stay in
1 peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a
lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 To
an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not
away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 WHO ARE KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD
__THROUGH FAITH__ UNTO SALVATION ready to be revealed in the last
time.
So now we see her "gospel" IS NOT the gospel of the New testament. It
is a false gospel that...
A. Requires Bible verses to be rewritten in a heretical manner. B.
Requires adding a clarification to Scripture that TOTALLY overturns
what the Scripture actually SAYS. C. Must deny the deity of Christ
and the Holy Spirit. D. Requires remaining in a state of salvation by
keeping the 10 commandments PERFECTLY, or else the person is now
damned without possibility of repentance. E. Blasphemes and limits
the atoning power of Christ's blood to "Only sins of ignorance."
4. As we noted, Paul says the MINISTER OF SATAN will actually appear
to be a MINISTER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS! That is what makes them so
deceptive. They are serpents in the guise of sheep, preaching
righteous living and 'keeping God's holy law' while in their hearts
is satan himself, drawing people away from TRUE righteousness, to a
perverted notion of it based on keeping commandments!
Take a look at Donna Kupp's deceptive posts, including this one.
Every one touts the keeping of biblical commandments, threatens
people with damnation for failing to keep biblical commandments, and
threatenes them with damnation if anyone should ever--EVEN ONE
TIME--willingly BREAK a biblical commandment.
So Kupp APPEARS to be preaching the righteousness of 'keeping God's
holy commandments'...yet she does it in a way that is an UTTER
PERVERSION of the gospel of grace, and comes right from the mouth of
satan speaking good things, and making her LOOK like a minister of
righetousness.
So, summing it up, Paul says that a minister of satan will...
Preach another Jesus... Preach under another spirit... Preach a
different gospel... While appearing to be a minister of righteousness
while doing so!
I believe Donna Kupp meets ALL FOUR CRITERIA.
Based on the totality of her teachings, I see no conclusion other
than that the "Jesus" she follows is a demon spirit, and the "Yahweh"
she speaks for is actually SATAN.
I am dead to the law by the crucified body of Christ. Are you?
vince garcia
2012-05-29 11:17:31 UTC
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As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

--Apostle paul
A thousand may pray until their knees are bloody, but if they are not
keeping His Commandments, God says their prayer is an abomination to
Him. Yet the prayers of one one man who abides in Him can change the
"The effectual fervent prayer of a RIGHTEOUS man availeth much."
James 5:16 KJV
“Little children, let no one deceive you. He who DOES RIGHT is
RIGHTEOUS.” 1 John 3:7 RSV
Sounds good, doesn't it? SOUNDS like something a believer in Christ
might really say.

But what is the truth behind what Donna Kupp teaches and believes?

How can we know if this woman is of God or actually a false teacher when
she speaks?

Paul gives us the answer:

2 cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve
through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the
simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not
preached, or if ye receive ANOTHER SPIRIT, which ye have not received,
or ANOTHER GOSPEL, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with
him.

2 cor 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming
themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of
light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed
as the MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS; whose end shall be according to their
works.

Donna Kupp, for those who do not know, is a woman preaching a false
gospel with a false Christ that denies virtually every possible
essential of the Christian faith.

Note here paul's words about false teachers: they will actually be
"MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS"!!!!! Not antinomians, teaching lawlessness
and freedom to sin, but MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, teaching an
apparently good-sounding Gospel that is actually ANOTHER GOSPEL about
ANOTHER JESUS!

Let us test Donna Kupp's own words against the doctrines of
the New Testament and the Christian church, and see if we can determine
whether she is a servant of God, or actually a minister of Satan!

1. First, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach "ANOTHER
JESUS."

Is Donna Kupp's Jesus YOUR Jesus? Is her Jesus the Jesus of
Scripture?

While Donna Kupp just made a number of statements sound like something a
real Christian might make, we cannot make a judgment whether she is or
is not a true Christian based only on what she just posted here. We must
determine if she really teaches the same Jesus REAL Christians follow by
looking at statements she, herself, has made about Christ in the past,
that she may not throw out on a regular basis, because she knows it
reveals what she REALLY thinks about Christ.

So what does she actually say about the Jesus she follows, and
supposedly places faith in?

This...
"In the beginning was Jesus
and Jesus was with THE RULER,
and Jesus was Ruler.
The same was in the beginning with THE RULER."
John was teaching that Jesus was our Ruler (our theos) and that
Jesus was with the Father from the very beginning of creation.
(Not that Jesus was one third of some mysterious and mind-
boggling "Trinity" that no one had ever heard of.)
We can stop right there. Donna Kupp, denying the deity of Christ,
rewrites the Gospel of John in a manner that affirms that denial, so we
can either change all our Bibles to her new trenslation that "proves"
Jesus is NOT fully God, but some other sort of created lesser being, or
we can allow the sacred words of the apostle John to stand AS WRITTEN!

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the WORD
WAS GOD.

So we see her Jesus is ANOTHER JESUS that orthodox Protestants and
Evangelicals (and Catholics) DO NOT believe in.

For US, Jesus is God in flesh, fully God and fully man, and 2nd Person
of the Trinity she goes on to mock and deny.


2. Next, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach or operate under
a "DIFFERENT SPIRIT".

Does Donna Kupp teach and receive anoining by the same Holy Spirit that
REAL Christians follow?

Judge for yourself by her own words.
The concept that the Holy Spirit is God is based on a single verse in
Acts (5:3) where it says that Ananias lied to the Holy Spirit - and
later it says that he lied to God.
To conclude that the Holy Spirit is God on the basis of those verses is
merely an interpretation which adds to what is actually written. Since
the Spirit is the means of communciation between God and man, if you
lie to the Spirit you are in effect lying to God. Are there any verses
which actually say that the Holy Spirit is God?
Not one!
Jesus did not teach the Trinity, the apostles did not teach it, and it
was not taught by church leaders for three hundred years after the
death of Christ.
All REAL Christians believe not only in the deity of Christ, but also
the Godhood of the Holy Spirit. As we see from her own words, Donna
Kupp denies those two essentials of the faith, and proclaims the Holy
Spirit is only some nebulous "means of communication between God and
man"

So now we see she has fulfilled the SECOND warning of Paul--she has
A DIFFERENT SPIRIT than REAL Christians do.

By the way, her LIES about the history of the Trinity are instantly
refutable:

The deity of Christ was EXPLICITLY taught by Ignatius in the early 2nd
century

"To the Church at Ephesus in Asia . . . chosen through true suffering by
the will of the Father in Jesus Christ our God"
"FOR OUR GOD, Jesus Christ, was conceived by Mary in accord with God�s
plan: of the seed of David, it is true, but also of the Holy Spirit"

Letter to the Ephesians 1 110 AD
There is no record of the co-equal, co-eternal, three-in-one God
being taught by a single one of the early church fathers. It
was not a part of Christian teaching until it was formulated by the
Second Ecumenical Council at Constantinople in 381.A.D.
"No record"?


For the Church, although dispersed throughout the whole world even to
the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and from their
disciples the faith in one God, the Father Almighty . . . and in one
Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who became flesh for our salvation; and in
the Holy Spirit

Irenaeus, before 200 AD

And at the same time the mystery of the oikonomia is safeguarded, for
the unity is distributed in a TRINITY. Placed in order, the three are
the Father, Son, and Spirit. They are three, however, not in condition,
but in degree; not in being, but in form; not in power, but in kind; of
one being, however, and one condition and one power, because he is one
God of whom degrees and forms and kinds are taken into account in the
name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit"

Tertullian "Against Praxeas" early 200s AD

For Scripture as much announces Christ AS ALSO GOD, as it announces God
himself as man. It has as much described Jesus Christ to be man, as
moreover it has also described Christ the Lord to be God. Because it
does not set forth him to be the Son of God only, but also the son of
man; nor does it only say, the son of man, but it has also been
accustomed to speak of him as the Son of God. So that being of both, he
is both, lest if he should be one only, he could not be the other. For
as nature itself has prescribed that he must be believed to be a man who
is of man, so the same nature prescribes also that he must be believed
to be God who is of God. . . . Let them, therefore, who read that Jesus
Christ the son of man is man, read also that this same Jesus is called
also God and the Son of God"

Novatian, Treatise on the Trinity 11 235 AD

And now the capstone to Kupp's historial and TEXTUAL illiteracy:

The Lord says: 'I and the Father are one.' And again of the Father and
Son and the Holy Spirit it is written: 'And these three are one'.
Cyprian --Treatise 1 on the unity of the Catholic Church, chapter 6,
early 3rd century, PROVING THE LEGITIMACY OF THE COMMA JOHANNEUM KUPP
(and other historical illiterates) SAY IS A FRAUD.


3. The minister of Satan will also teach "ANOTHER GOSPEL."

Does Donna Kupp uphold the CHRISTIAN gospel? We've already seen she
denies and perverts the nature of Jesus Himself and the precious Holy
Spirit. But what is her actual gospel message? She talks about
obedience, and making Jesus Lord...but what does she really believe
about sin, justification, and sanctification? Does she ever lay out her
beliefs in clear language so the body of Christ can see and judge
whether she is or is not a fellow believer?

Yes!
To be saved is the first step in the process of salvation. Those who
are saved do not have eternal life -
Did you get that? THOSE WHO ARE SAVED ___DO NOT___HAVE ETERNAL LIFE!!!

LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

jn 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, HATH eternal life;
and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name
of the Son of God; that YE MAY KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that
ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of
yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
"If one who is born of God has truly repented of committing sin
(chosen to cease from sin) and then deliberately commits sin he has
despised the Holy Spirit, just as the OT the Israelites despised the
Law of God. It is blasphemy!"
"When we are converted all past sins are forgiven. After a person is
born-again, only sins of ignorance are forgiven. If a person sins
with knowledge and intent after that time, they have blasphemed
the Holy Spirit and there is no more sacrifice for sin. See Hebrews
6:1-8; Hebrews 10:26-31."
LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves
are ALSO FOUND SINNERS, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God
forbid.

Apparently, paul understood that even those justified in Christ STILL
SINNED!

Are we sure? Well, let's again test the doctrine of donna kupp by Paul's
own words, written in the last months of his life:

1 tim 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation,
that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I AM
CHIEF.

Wait a minute--I thought Donna said any Christian who willingly commits
even ONE SIN is eternally damned!

Apparently, paul did not realize this when he acknowledged he was the
WORST of sinners in 67 AD when he wrote this, 30+ years after finding
Christ! Thus, he must have been guilty of blaspheming the spirit
according to false teachers harold and donna kupp

What else did Paul have to say about whether Christians do or do not
commit sin in romans 7?

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing:
for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I
find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: BUT THE EVIL WHICH I WOULD NOT,
____THAT I DO___.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin
that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with
me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my
mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my
members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this
death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I
myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Does THAT sound like a man who has reached the state of sinless
perfection like Donna Kupp, who claims any sin she commits is 100%
accidental and unintentional??????

And this is her ultimate blasphemy regarding the blood of Christ...
Blood of Christ covers: 1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light,
as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the
blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. (Only sins
of ignorance)
Notice how donna kupp added the words "Only sins of ignorance" to
pervert John's words? Just as she did with the powerful passage in John
1:1, she rejects the message and inserts her own heretical words flat
out CONTRADICTING what was actually written! John says Christ's blood
cleanses us from ALL sin; Donna adds words to change it to all
UNINTENTIONAL sins, making the blood of Christ LIMITED in its ability to
atone for sin.

Kupp also has missed what Jesus said about how imperfect His followers
will always be:

Luke 4:4 And FORGIVE US OUR SINS; for we also forgive every one that is
indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from
evil.

Meanwhile, THIS is God's true message of salvation:

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become
the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

And while Donna Kupp blasphemes the gospel by claiming we keep--and
actually earn--our salvation through keeping the 10 commandments
perfectly, here is what the SCRIPTURE says about how we stay in right
standing security with God:

1 peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a
lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not
away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 WHO ARE KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD __THROUGH FAITH__ UNTO SALVATION
ready to be revealed in the last time.

So now we see her "gospel" IS NOT the gospel of the New testament. It is
a false gospel that...

A. Requires Bible verses to be rewritten in a heretical manner.
B. Requires adding a clarification to Scripture that TOTALLY overturns
what the Scripture actually SAYS.
C. Must deny the deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit.
D. Requires remaining in a state of salvation by keeping the 10
commandments PERFECTLY, or else the person is now damned without
possibility of repentance.
E. Blasphemes and limits the atoning power of Christ's blood to
"Only sins of ignorance."


4. As we noted, Paul says the MINISTER OF SATAN will actually appear to
be a MINISTER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS! That is what makes them so deceptive.
They are serpents in the guise of sheep, preaching righteous living and
'keeping God's holy law' while in their hearts is satan himself, drawing
people away from TRUE righteousness, to a perverted notion of it based
on keeping commandments!

Take a look at Donna Kupp's deceptive posts, including this one. Every
one touts the keeping of biblical commandments, threatens people with
damnation for failing to keep biblical commandments, and threatenes them
with damnation if anyone should ever--EVEN ONE TIME--willingly BREAK a
biblical commandment.

So Kupp APPEARS to be preaching the righteousness of 'keeping God's holy
commandments'...yet she does it in a way that is an UTTER PERVERSION of
the gospel of grace, and comes right from the mouth of satan speaking
good things, and making her LOOK like a minister of righetousness.

So, summing it up, Paul says that a minister of satan will...

Preach another Jesus...
Preach under another spirit...
Preach a different gospel...
While appearing to be a minister of righteousness while doing so!

I believe Donna Kupp meets ALL FOUR CRITERIA.

Based on the totality of her teachings, I see no conclusion other than
that the "Jesus" she follows is a demon spirit, and the "Yahweh" she
speaks for is actually SATAN.


I am dead to the law by the crucified body of Christ. Are you?
dolf
2012-05-29 21:13:03 UTC
Permalink
The Catholic Fascist Voice in Our Country is going to perish and will no
longer be heard.

Did you like the earthquake in Parma, Italy? The bins weren't in
disarray at least.

dolf (0822 hrs 20120529): "The Garbage collectors failed to empty my
bins correctly. Left them in a disarray and physically checked them for
compliance before emptying them.

Obviously this is related to my past complaint about their
non-participation in ANZAC day.

שלא
lo'-not (H3808): #331 = #300, #30, #1

1) not, no
1a) not (with verb - absolute prohibition)
1b) not (with modifier - negation)
1c) nothing (subst)
1d) without (with particle)
1e) before (of time)

- http://www.grapple369.com/grapple.html?zen:3,row:5,col:7

Waste Pariah Dogs & Forgotten Garbage (Butcher Paper & Foam) by a Lone
Gum Tree @ Fitzroy Street, Sale

טבחת
tabach-kill (H2873): #419 = #9, #2, #8, #400

1) to slaughter, slay, butcher, kill ruthlessly
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to slaughter, butcher
1a2) to slay, kill ruthlessly (fig.)

Should any further disparity as preferential service be noted, a legal
claim will be made against you."

Just yesterday, I said, the Catholic (Italian) fascist dogs don't seem
interested in my ANZAC Day miracle:

Where I read out the following in association to a mathematical model
and biblical text as substance of belief and an earthquake occurred in
the Tamar River area of Tasmania, killing one miner.

- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/nous.gif

“We are not ANZACs, We have done nobler deeds than they, Of which you
know nothing. We are not ANZACs because Australians subject us to
Religious persecution. We are not ANZACs because you deny us fair
Justice. We are not ANZACs because you think your race is better than
ours. We are not ANZACs because you deny us Community and Equal
Opportunity. O God Lord of retribution, LORD, God, Lord of retribution,
shine forth. Rise up O judge of the earth, and render an evil recompense
to the proud. How long will the wicked dwell in error? That pour out and
speak blasphemy, all those who deal falsely utter words of shame. They
crush your people. O LORD, and impoverish your inheritance. They kill
the widow and the sojourner and murder the orphans.

And they say, ‘The LORD does not see, and the God of Jacob does not pay
heed.’” [© 2004 The Order of Saint Benedict, Aramaic Targum of Psalm 94:1-7]

“We have Jesus on the cross
Your cold love put him there.
What is now your human loss?
Forever gone and despair.”

As an authoritative statement of fact about one’s own religious belief
as a substance which supersedes and is sovereign to your own unbelief or
disbelief as the belief (accompanying ritual practice) may be such as
Roman Catholicism. We seem to have Catholic et al managing and
disrupting Internet based conversations for years so as to prevent the
fostering of any viable alternative (as degree of belief) to Catholic
dogma as their disbelief in blasphemy which is the lack any real and
tangible Christian identity as unbelief.

I joked with him about what would likely to have happened yesterday and
whether I would have been involuntarily sectioned, if they had known,
that my singular intention was to effect a disdainful brutalisation of
them by the slaughter of the nuns who own the shop--And I proudly
expressed the view of its anticipated effectiveness, in being for them
an especially enhanced and grievous reality by virtue of the fact that
the Catholic nuns live within a worldview as delusional claim to
superiority, where they mistakenly believe there is no verity and surety
greater to their own belief. As they simply have no awareness of
something much greater than them. It therefore has the very real
capability of manifesting a most pronounced distress as uncontrolled
anxieties and palpitations. A loss of bodily function and breathing
control, an incapacity of speech and most probably resulting in death,
as my intentioned act of a most discomforting awareness of a loss of
soul. A judgement and revenge made against them. What do you think is
implied by the claim that I would effect a collapse and forfeiture by
the Catholic Religious Order, who have no remaining legitimacy within
Australian life?

I described to him, my well intentioned purpose, which I conveyed before
even beginning the 3 hrs of pleading my own cause of liberty with the
psychiatrists yesterday. I had sought to protect them (purposefully left
in draft disposition in that specific regard) in relation to the
mechanics of the document. And described it’s capability for manifesting
trauma as notionally equivalent to getting on the cross with Jesus. And
explained to them that whilst no harm was being intentioned towards
them. That should their sensibilities be moved to an empathy with my
representations, they should clearly convey their free accept of it. The
course of my presentation, would then focus on how the methodology, as
recourse to the habitual use of obstructions, which move one towards the
concealment of any intentioned process and instead having a reliance
upon scurrilous distortions of any immediacy and capability for threat
for actuality, has a mitigating effect on the permissibility of
authority under the legislation.

At one point I brought to their attention, the expressed need to avoid
the risky action of reading and consuming the document at too rapid and
careless rate. As you may unnecessarily enter into a painful anxious
state of fear which rendered them incapable of speech. That I was
responding to the outstanding matter of psychiatrist Peter Sternhell’s
slanderous characterisations of the substantial reality, vital
effectiveness and the substance of my own religious belief. The
improper, immodest and blasphemous characterisation by them, as being
irrational and delusional was often repeated without substantiation by
Dr. Meredith Stone (and I have seen her with child). To whom I have also
intentioned to effect a similar retaliation against those persons, as a
consequence to their slanderous, false and haughty characterisations of
me and my belief as delusional and as cause for their sado-masochistic
perversity to which I was then subject to their pleasure and the
pretence as beneficial claim of a therapeutic process. In having
furnished statements and these documents, in substantiation of my legal
entitlements and claim against Saint Vincent’s Hospital, theirs
similarly, is now a requirement as an accord with immediacy and a
priority towards an unequivocal awareness, of their obligation which is
without any further grounds for delay, as a requirement for them to
provide an accountability for their actions and in their absence any
credibility as lawful criteria to provide an apology and restitution for
their past and continuing persecutions. And they will afford me an
appropriate and sovereign dignity in the acknowledgement of the
superiority and correctness of my substantial claim to Christian belief
and over that which was previously claimed of Roman Catholic belief.

That until they all expire, every remaining Roman Catholic, from this
time forward will afford to me an appropriate dignity as my entitlement
which is attained by the sovereign basis of my substantiated claim to
Christian belief and identity--such recognition of my superiority over
the Roman Catholic Church and its fraudulent claims to Christian
identity is to be accompanied by an appropriate gesturing as bowing in
respect of my dignity and a verbalisation which acknowledges the majesty
of my triumphantism over you all.
Post by vince garcia
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
--Apostle paul
Based on the totality of her teachings, I see no conclusion other than
that the "Jesus" she follows is a demon spirit, and the "Yahweh" she
speaks for is actually SATAN.
I am dead to the law by the crucified body of Christ. Are you?
vince garcia
2012-05-29 22:39:46 UTC
Permalink
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

--Apostle paul
A thousand may pray until their knees are bloody, but if they are not
keeping His Commandments, God says their prayer is an abomination to
Him. Yet the prayers of one one man who abides in Him can change the
"The effectual fervent prayer of a RIGHTEOUS man availeth much."
James 5:16 KJV
“Little children, let no one deceive you. He who DOES RIGHT is
RIGHTEOUS.” 1 John 3:7 RSV
Sounds good, doesn't it? SOUNDS like something a believer in Christ
might really say.

But what is the truth behind what Donna Kupp teaches and believes?

How can we know if this woman is of God or actually a false teacher when
she speaks?

Paul gives us the answer:

2 cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve
through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the
simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not
preached, or if ye receive ANOTHER SPIRIT, which ye have not received,
or ANOTHER GOSPEL, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with
him.

2 cor 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming
themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of
light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed
as the MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS; whose end shall be according to their
works.

Donna Kupp, for those who do not know, is a woman preaching a false
gospel with a false Christ that denies virtually every possible
essential of the Christian faith.

Note here paul's words about false teachers: they will actually be
"MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS"!!!!! Not antinomians, teaching lawlessness
and freedom to sin, but MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, teaching an
apparently good-sounding Gospel that is actually ANOTHER GOSPEL about
ANOTHER JESUS!

Let us test Donna Kupp's own words against the doctrines of
the New Testament and the Christian church, and see if we can determine
whether she is a servant of God, or actually a minister of Satan!

1. First, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach "ANOTHER
JESUS."

Is Donna Kupp's Jesus YOUR Jesus? Is her Jesus the Jesus of
Scripture?

While Donna Kupp just made a number of statements sound like something a
real Christian might make, we cannot make a judgment whether she is or
is not a true Christian based only on what she just posted here. We must
determine if she really teaches the same Jesus REAL Christians follow by
looking at statements she, herself, has made about Christ in the past,
that she may not throw out on a regular basis, because she knows it
reveals what she REALLY thinks about Christ.

So what does she actually say about the Jesus she follows, and
supposedly places faith in?

This...
"In the beginning was Jesus
and Jesus was with THE RULER,
and Jesus was Ruler.
The same was in the beginning with THE RULER."
John was teaching that Jesus was our Ruler (our theos) and that
Jesus was with the Father from the very beginning of creation.
(Not that Jesus was one third of some mysterious and mind-
boggling "Trinity" that no one had ever heard of.)
We can stop right there. Donna Kupp, denying the deity of Christ,
rewrites the Gospel of John in a manner that affirms that denial, so we
can either change all our Bibles to her new trenslation that "proves"
Jesus is NOT fully God, but some other sort of created lesser being, or
we can allow the sacred words of the apostle John to stand AS WRITTEN!

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the WORD
WAS GOD.

So we see her Jesus is ANOTHER JESUS that orthodox Protestants and
Evangelicals (and Catholics) DO NOT believe in.

For US, Jesus is God in flesh, fully God and fully man, and 2nd Person
of the Trinity she goes on to mock and deny.


2. Next, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach or operate under
a "DIFFERENT SPIRIT".

Does Donna Kupp teach and receive anoining by the same Holy Spirit that
REAL Christians follow?

Judge for yourself by her own words.
The concept that the Holy Spirit is God is based on a single verse in
Acts (5:3) where it says that Ananias lied to the Holy Spirit - and
later it says that he lied to God.
To conclude that the Holy Spirit is God on the basis of those verses is
merely an interpretation which adds to what is actually written. Since
the Spirit is the means of communciation between God and man, if you
lie to the Spirit you are in effect lying to God. Are there any verses
which actually say that the Holy Spirit is God?
Not one!
Jesus did not teach the Trinity, the apostles did not teach it, and it
was not taught by church leaders for three hundred years after the
death of Christ.
All REAL Christians believe not only in the deity of Christ, but also
the Godhood of the Holy Spirit. As we see from her own words, Donna
Kupp denies those two essentials of the faith, and proclaims the Holy
Spirit is only some nebulous "means of communication between God and
man"

So now we see she has fulfilled the SECOND warning of Paul--she has
A DIFFERENT SPIRIT than REAL Christians do.

By the way, her LIES about the history of the Trinity are instantly
refutable:

The deity of Christ was EXPLICITLY taught by Ignatius in the early 2nd
century

"To the Church at Ephesus in Asia . . . chosen through true suffering by
the will of the Father in Jesus Christ our God"
"FOR OUR GOD, Jesus Christ, was conceived by Mary in accord with God�s
plan: of the seed of David, it is true, but also of the Holy Spirit"

Letter to the Ephesians 1 110 AD
There is no record of the co-equal, co-eternal, three-in-one God
being taught by a single one of the early church fathers. It
was not a part of Christian teaching until it was formulated by the
Second Ecumenical Council at Constantinople in 381.A.D.
"No record"?


For the Church, although dispersed throughout the whole world even to
the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and from their
disciples the faith in one God, the Father Almighty . . . and in one
Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who became flesh for our salvation; and in
the Holy Spirit

Irenaeus, before 200 AD

And at the same time the mystery of the oikonomia is safeguarded, for
the unity is distributed in a TRINITY. Placed in order, the three are
the Father, Son, and Spirit. They are three, however, not in condition,
but in degree; not in being, but in form; not in power, but in kind; of
one being, however, and one condition and one power, because he is one
God of whom degrees and forms and kinds are taken into account in the
name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit"

Tertullian "Against Praxeas" early 200s AD

For Scripture as much announces Christ AS ALSO GOD, as it announces God
himself as man. It has as much described Jesus Christ to be man, as
moreover it has also described Christ the Lord to be God. Because it
does not set forth him to be the Son of God only, but also the son of
man; nor does it only say, the son of man, but it has also been
accustomed to speak of him as the Son of God. So that being of both, he
is both, lest if he should be one only, he could not be the other. For
as nature itself has prescribed that he must be believed to be a man who
is of man, so the same nature prescribes also that he must be believed
to be God who is of God. . . . Let them, therefore, who read that Jesus
Christ the son of man is man, read also that this same Jesus is called
also God and the Son of God"

Novatian, Treatise on the Trinity 11 235 AD

And now the capstone to Kupp's historial and TEXTUAL illiteracy:

The Lord says: 'I and the Father are one.' And again of the Father and
Son and the Holy Spirit it is written: 'And these three are one'.
Cyprian --Treatise 1 on the unity of the Catholic Church, chapter 6,
early 3rd century, PROVING THE LEGITIMACY OF THE COMMA JOHANNEUM KUPP
(and other historical illiterates) SAY IS A FRAUD.


3. The minister of Satan will also teach "ANOTHER GOSPEL."

Does Donna Kupp uphold the CHRISTIAN gospel? We've already seen she
denies and perverts the nature of Jesus Himself and the precious Holy
Spirit. But what is her actual gospel message? She talks about
obedience, and making Jesus Lord...but what does she really believe
about sin, justification, and sanctification? Does she ever lay out her
beliefs in clear language so the body of Christ can see and judge
whether she is or is not a fellow believer?

Yes!
To be saved is the first step in the process of salvation. Those who
are saved do not have eternal life -
Did you get that? THOSE WHO ARE SAVED ___DO NOT___HAVE ETERNAL LIFE!!!

LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

jn 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, HATH eternal life;
and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name
of the Son of God; that YE MAY KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that
ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of
yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
"If one who is born of God has truly repented of committing sin
(chosen to cease from sin) and then deliberately commits sin he has
despised the Holy Spirit, just as the OT the Israelites despised the
Law of God. It is blasphemy!"
"When we are converted all past sins are forgiven. After a person is
born-again, only sins of ignorance are forgiven. If a person sins
with knowledge and intent after that time, they have blasphemed
the Holy Spirit and there is no more sacrifice for sin. See Hebrews
6:1-8; Hebrews 10:26-31."
LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves
are ALSO FOUND SINNERS, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God
forbid.

Apparently, paul understood that even those justified in Christ STILL
SINNED!

Are we sure? Well, let's again test the doctrine of donna kupp by Paul's
own words, written in the last months of his life:

1 tim 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation,
that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I AM
CHIEF.

Wait a minute--I thought Donna said any Christian who willingly commits
even ONE SIN is eternally damned!

Apparently, paul did not realize this when he acknowledged he was the
WORST of sinners in 67 AD when he wrote this, 30+ years after finding
Christ! Thus, he must have been guilty of blaspheming the spirit
according to false teachers harold and donna kupp

What else did Paul have to say about whether Christians do or do not
commit sin in romans 7?

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing:
for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I
find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: BUT THE EVIL WHICH I WOULD NOT,
____THAT I DO___.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin
that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with
me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my
mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my
members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this
death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I
myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Does THAT sound like a man who has reached the state of sinless
perfection like Donna Kupp, who claims any sin she commits is 100%
accidental and unintentional??????

And this is her ultimate blasphemy regarding the blood of Christ...
Blood of Christ covers: 1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light,
as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the
blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. (Only sins
of ignorance)
Notice how donna kupp added the words "Only sins of ignorance" to
pervert John's words? Just as she did with the powerful passage in John
1:1, she rejects the message and inserts her own heretical words flat
out CONTRADICTING what was actually written! John says Christ's blood
cleanses us from ALL sin; Donna adds words to change it to all
UNINTENTIONAL sins, making the blood of Christ LIMITED in its ability to
atone for sin.

Kupp also has missed what Jesus said about how imperfect His followers
will always be:

Luke 4:4 And FORGIVE US OUR SINS; for we also forgive every one that is
indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from
evil.

Meanwhile, THIS is God's true message of salvation:

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become
the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

And while Donna Kupp blasphemes the gospel by claiming we keep--and
actually earn--our salvation through keeping the 10 commandments
perfectly, here is what the SCRIPTURE says about how we stay in right
standing security with God:

1 peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a
lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not
away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 WHO ARE KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD __THROUGH FAITH__ UNTO SALVATION
ready to be revealed in the last time.

So now we see her "gospel" IS NOT the gospel of the New testament. It is
a false gospel that...

A. Requires Bible verses to be rewritten in a heretical manner.
B. Requires adding a clarification to Scripture that TOTALLY overturns
what the Scripture actually SAYS.
C. Must deny the deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit.
D. Requires remaining in a state of salvation by keeping the 10
commandments PERFECTLY, or else the person is now damned without
possibility of repentance.
E. Blasphemes and limits the atoning power of Christ's blood to
"Only sins of ignorance."


4. As we noted, Paul says the MINISTER OF SATAN will actually appear to
be a MINISTER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS! That is what makes them so deceptive.
They are serpents in the guise of sheep, preaching righteous living and
'keeping God's holy law' while in their hearts is satan himself, drawing
people away from TRUE righteousness, to a perverted notion of it based
on keeping commandments!

Take a look at Donna Kupp's deceptive posts, including this one. Every
one touts the keeping of biblical commandments, threatens people with
damnation for failing to keep biblical commandments, and threatenes them
with damnation if anyone should ever--EVEN ONE TIME--willingly BREAK a
biblical commandment.

So Kupp APPEARS to be preaching the righteousness of 'keeping God's holy
commandments'...yet she does it in a way that is an UTTER PERVERSION of
the gospel of grace, and comes right from the mouth of satan speaking
good things, and making her LOOK like a minister of righetousness.

So, summing it up, Paul says that a minister of satan will...

Preach another Jesus...
Preach under another spirit...
Preach a different gospel...
While appearing to be a minister of righteousness while doing so!

I believe Donna Kupp meets ALL FOUR CRITERIA.

Based on the totality of her teachings, I see no conclusion other than
that the "Jesus" she follows is a demon spirit, and the "Yahweh" she
speaks for is actually SATAN.


I am dead to the law by the crucified body of Christ. Are you?
dolf
2012-05-29 22:51:59 UTC
Permalink
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
--Apostle paul

Happy Birthday Mum @ 30 May

So Vince Garcia and the Roman Catholic Chuch APPEARS to be preaching the
righteousness of 'keeping God's holy commandments'...yet she does it in
a way that is an UTTER PERVERSION of the gospel of grace, and comes
right from the mouth of satan speaking good things, and making her LOOK
like a minister of righetousness.

So, summing it up, Paul says that a minister of satan will...

Preach another Jesus...
Preach under another spirit...
Preach a different gospel...
While appearing to be a minister of righteousness while doing so!

I believe Vince Garcia and the Roman Catholic Chuch meets ALL FOUR CRITERIA.

Based on the totality of their teachings, I see no conclusion other than
that the "Jesus" they follow is a demon spirit, and the "Yahweh" they
speaks for is actually SATAN.

I am dead to the law by the crucified body of Christ. Are you?

The Catholic Fascist Voice in Our Country is going to perish and will no
longer be heard.

Did you like the earthquake in Parma, Italy? The bins weren't in
disarray at least.

dolf (0822 hrs 20120529): "The Garbage collectors failed to empty my
bins correctly. Left them in a disarray and physically checked them for
compliance before emptying them.

Obviously this is related to my past complaint about their
non-participation in ANZAC day.

שלא
lo'-not (H3808): #331 = #300, #30, #1

1) not, no
1a) not (with verb - absolute prohibition)
1b) not (with modifier - negation)
1c) nothing (subst)
1d) without (with particle)
1e) before (of time)

- http://www.grapple369.com/grapple.html?zen:3,row:5,col:7

Waste Pariah Dogs & Forgotten Garbage (Butcher Paper & Foam) by a Lone
Gum Tree @ Fitzroy Street, Sale

טבחת
tabach-kill (H2873): #419 = #9, #2, #8, #400

1) to slaughter, slay, butcher, kill ruthlessly
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to slaughter, butcher
1a2) to slay, kill ruthlessly (fig.)

Should any further disparity as preferential service be noted, a legal
claim will be made against you."

Just yesterday, I said, the Catholic (Italian) fascist dogs don't seem
interested in my ANZAC Day miracle:

Where I read out the following in association to a mathematical model
and biblical text as substance of belief and an earthquake occurred in
the Tamar River area of Tasmania, killing one miner.

- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/nous.gif

“We are not ANZACs, We have done nobler deeds than they, Of which you
know nothing. We are not ANZACs because Australians subject us to
Religious persecution. We are not ANZACs because you deny us fair
Justice. We are not ANZACs because you think your race is better than
ours. We are not ANZACs because you deny us Community and Equal
Opportunity. O God Lord of retribution, LORD, God, Lord of retribution,
shine forth. Rise up O judge of the earth, and render an evil recompense
to the proud. How long will the wicked dwell in error? That pour out and
speak blasphemy, all those who deal falsely utter words of shame. They
crush your people. O LORD, and impoverish your inheritance. They kill
the widow and the sojourner and murder the orphans.

And they say, ‘The LORD does not see, and the God of Jacob does not pay
heed.’” [© 2004 The Order of Saint Benedict, Aramaic Targum of Psalm 94:1-7]

“We have Jesus on the cross
Your cold love put him there.
What is now your human loss?
Forever gone and despair.”

- http://www.grapple369.com/Being_files/crucified.gif

As an authoritative statement of fact about one’s own religious belief
as a substance which supersedes and is sovereign to your own unbelief or
disbelief as the belief (accompanying ritual practice) may be such as
Roman Catholicism. We seem to have Catholic et al managing and
disrupting Internet based conversations for years so as to prevent the
fostering of any viable alternative (as degree of belief) to Catholic
dogma as their disbelief in blasphemy which is the lack any real and
tangible Christian identity as unbelief.

I joked with him about what would likely to have happened yesterday and
whether I would have been involuntarily sectioned, if they had known,
that my singular intention was to effect a disdainful brutalisation of
them by the slaughter of the nuns who own the shop--And I proudly
expressed the view of its anticipated effectiveness, in being for them
an especially enhanced and grievous reality by virtue of the fact that
the Catholic nuns live within a worldview as delusional claim to
superiority, where they mistakenly believe there is no verity and surety
greater to their own belief. As they simply have no awareness of
something much greater than them. It therefore has the very real
capability of manifesting a most pronounced distress as uncontrolled
anxieties and palpitations. A loss of bodily function and breathing
control, an incapacity of speech and most probably resulting in death,
as my intentioned act of a most discomforting awareness of a loss of
soul. A judgement and revenge made against them. What do you think is
implied by the claim that I would effect a collapse and forfeiture by
the Catholic Religious Order, who have no remaining legitimacy within
Australian life?

I described to him, my well intentioned purpose, which I conveyed before
even beginning the 3 hrs of pleading my own cause of liberty with the
psychiatrists yesterday. I had sought to protect them (purposefully left
in draft disposition in that specific regard) in relation to the
mechanics of the document. And described it’s capability for manifesting
trauma as notionally equivalent to getting on the cross with Jesus. And
explained to them that whilst no harm was being intentioned towards
them. That should their sensibilities be moved to an empathy with my
representations, they should clearly convey their free accept of it. The
course of my presentation, would then focus on how the methodology, as
recourse to the habitual use of obstructions, which move one towards the
concealment of any intentioned process and instead having a reliance
upon scurrilous distortions of any immediacy and capability for threat
for actuality, has a mitigating effect on the permissibility of
authority under the legislation.

At one point I brought to their attention, the expressed need to avoid
the risky action of reading and consuming the document at too rapid and
careless rate. As you may unnecessarily enter into a painful anxious
state of fear which rendered them incapable of speech. That I was
responding to the outstanding matter of psychiatrist Peter Sternhell’s
slanderous characterisations of the substantial reality, vital
effectiveness and the substance of my own religious belief. The
improper, immodest and blasphemous characterisation by them, as being
irrational and delusional was often repeated without substantiation by
Dr. Meredith Stone (and I have seen her with child). To whom I have also
intentioned to effect a similar retaliation against those persons, as a
consequence to their slanderous, false and haughty characterisations of
me and my belief as delusional and as cause for their sado-masochistic
perversity to which I was then subject to their pleasure and the
pretence as beneficial claim of a therapeutic process. In having
furnished statements and these documents, in substantiation of my legal
entitlements and claim against Saint Vincent’s Hospital, theirs
similarly, is now a requirement as an accord with immediacy and a
priority towards an unequivocal awareness, of their obligation which is
without any further grounds for delay, as a requirement for them to
provide an accountability for their actions and in their absence any
credibility as lawful criteria to provide an apology and restitution for
their past and continuing persecutions. And they will afford me an
appropriate and sovereign dignity in the acknowledgement of the
superiority and correctness of my substantial claim to Christian belief
and over that which was previously claimed of Roman Catholic belief.

That until they all expire, every remaining Roman Catholic, from this
time forward will afford to me an appropriate dignity as my entitlement
which is attained by the sovereign basis of my substantiated claim to
Christian belief and identity--such recognition of my superiority over
the Roman Catholic Church and its fraudulent claims to Christian
identity is to be accompanied by an appropriate gesturing as bowing in
respect of my dignity and a verbalisation which acknowledges the majesty
of my triumphantism over you all.
Post by vince garcia
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
--Apostle paul
Based on the totality of her teachings, I see no conclusion other than
that the "Jesus" she follows is a demon spirit, and the "Yahweh" she
speaks for is actually SATAN.
I am dead to the law by the crucified body of Christ. Are you?
vince garcia
2012-05-29 23:50:29 UTC
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As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

--Apostle paul
A thousand may pray until their knees are bloody, but if they are not
keeping His Commandments, God says their prayer is an abomination to
Him. Yet the prayers of one one man who abides in Him can change the
"The effectual fervent prayer of a RIGHTEOUS man availeth much."
James 5:16 KJV
“Little children, let no one deceive you. He who DOES RIGHT is
RIGHTEOUS.” 1 John 3:7 RSV
Sounds good, doesn't it? SOUNDS like something a believer in Christ
might really say.

But what is the truth behind what Donna Kupp teaches and believes?

How can we know if this woman is of God or actually a false teacher when
she speaks?

Paul gives us the answer:

2 cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve
through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the
simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not
preached, or if ye receive ANOTHER SPIRIT, which ye have not received,
or ANOTHER GOSPEL, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with
him.

2 cor 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming
themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of
light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed
as the MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS; whose end shall be according to their
works.

Donna Kupp, for those who do not know, is a woman preaching a false
gospel with a false Christ that denies virtually every possible
essential of the Christian faith.

Note here paul's words about false teachers: they will actually be
"MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS"!!!!! Not antinomians, teaching lawlessness
and freedom to sin, but MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, teaching an
apparently good-sounding Gospel that is actually ANOTHER GOSPEL about
ANOTHER JESUS!

Let us test Donna Kupp's own words against the doctrines of
the New Testament and the Christian church, and see if we can determine
whether she is a servant of God, or actually a minister of Satan!

1. First, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach "ANOTHER
JESUS."

Is Donna Kupp's Jesus YOUR Jesus? Is her Jesus the Jesus of
Scripture?

While Donna Kupp just made a number of statements sound like something a
real Christian might make, we cannot make a judgment whether she is or
is not a true Christian based only on what she just posted here. We must
determine if she really teaches the same Jesus REAL Christians follow by
looking at statements she, herself, has made about Christ in the past,
that she may not throw out on a regular basis, because she knows it
reveals what she REALLY thinks about Christ.

So what does she actually say about the Jesus she follows, and
supposedly places faith in?

This...
"In the beginning was Jesus
and Jesus was with THE RULER,
and Jesus was Ruler.
The same was in the beginning with THE RULER."
John was teaching that Jesus was our Ruler (our theos) and that
Jesus was with the Father from the very beginning of creation.
(Not that Jesus was one third of some mysterious and mind-
boggling "Trinity" that no one had ever heard of.)
We can stop right there. Donna Kupp, denying the deity of Christ,
rewrites the Gospel of John in a manner that affirms that denial, so we
can either change all our Bibles to her new trenslation that "proves"
Jesus is NOT fully God, but some other sort of created lesser being, or
we can allow the sacred words of the apostle John to stand AS WRITTEN!

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the WORD
WAS GOD.

So we see her Jesus is ANOTHER JESUS that orthodox Protestants and
Evangelicals (and Catholics) DO NOT believe in.

For US, Jesus is God in flesh, fully God and fully man, and 2nd Person
of the Trinity she goes on to mock and deny.


2. Next, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach or operate under
a "DIFFERENT SPIRIT".

Does Donna Kupp teach and receive anoining by the same Holy Spirit that
REAL Christians follow?

Judge for yourself by her own words.
The concept that the Holy Spirit is God is based on a single verse in
Acts (5:3) where it says that Ananias lied to the Holy Spirit - and
later it says that he lied to God.
To conclude that the Holy Spirit is God on the basis of those verses is
merely an interpretation which adds to what is actually written. Since
the Spirit is the means of communciation between God and man, if you
lie to the Spirit you are in effect lying to God. Are there any verses
which actually say that the Holy Spirit is God?
Not one!
Jesus did not teach the Trinity, the apostles did not teach it, and it
was not taught by church leaders for three hundred years after the
death of Christ.
All REAL Christians believe not only in the deity of Christ, but also
the Godhood of the Holy Spirit. As we see from her own words, Donna
Kupp denies those two essentials of the faith, and proclaims the Holy
Spirit is only some nebulous "means of communication between God and
man"

So now we see she has fulfilled the SECOND warning of Paul--she has
A DIFFERENT SPIRIT than REAL Christians do.

By the way, her LIES about the history of the Trinity are instantly
refutable:

The deity of Christ was EXPLICITLY taught by Ignatius in the early 2nd
century

"To the Church at Ephesus in Asia . . . chosen through true suffering by
the will of the Father in Jesus Christ our God"
"FOR OUR GOD, Jesus Christ, was conceived by Mary in accord with God�s
plan: of the seed of David, it is true, but also of the Holy Spirit"

Letter to the Ephesians 1 110 AD
There is no record of the co-equal, co-eternal, three-in-one God
being taught by a single one of the early church fathers. It
was not a part of Christian teaching until it was formulated by the
Second Ecumenical Council at Constantinople in 381.A.D.
"No record"?


For the Church, although dispersed throughout the whole world even to
the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and from their
disciples the faith in one God, the Father Almighty . . . and in one
Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who became flesh for our salvation; and in
the Holy Spirit

Irenaeus, before 200 AD

And at the same time the mystery of the oikonomia is safeguarded, for
the unity is distributed in a TRINITY. Placed in order, the three are
the Father, Son, and Spirit. They are three, however, not in condition,
but in degree; not in being, but in form; not in power, but in kind; of
one being, however, and one condition and one power, because he is one
God of whom degrees and forms and kinds are taken into account in the
name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit"

Tertullian "Against Praxeas" early 200s AD

For Scripture as much announces Christ AS ALSO GOD, as it announces God
himself as man. It has as much described Jesus Christ to be man, as
moreover it has also described Christ the Lord to be God. Because it
does not set forth him to be the Son of God only, but also the son of
man; nor does it only say, the son of man, but it has also been
accustomed to speak of him as the Son of God. So that being of both, he
is both, lest if he should be one only, he could not be the other. For
as nature itself has prescribed that he must be believed to be a man who
is of man, so the same nature prescribes also that he must be believed
to be God who is of God. . . . Let them, therefore, who read that Jesus
Christ the son of man is man, read also that this same Jesus is called
also God and the Son of God"

Novatian, Treatise on the Trinity 11 235 AD

And now the capstone to Kupp's historial and TEXTUAL illiteracy:

The Lord says: 'I and the Father are one.' And again of the Father and
Son and the Holy Spirit it is written: 'And these three are one'.
Cyprian --Treatise 1 on the unity of the Catholic Church, chapter 6,
early 3rd century, PROVING THE LEGITIMACY OF THE COMMA JOHANNEUM KUPP
(and other historical illiterates) SAY IS A FRAUD.


3. The minister of Satan will also teach "ANOTHER GOSPEL."

Does Donna Kupp uphold the CHRISTIAN gospel? We've already seen she
denies and perverts the nature of Jesus Himself and the precious Holy
Spirit. But what is her actual gospel message? She talks about
obedience, and making Jesus Lord...but what does she really believe
about sin, justification, and sanctification? Does she ever lay out her
beliefs in clear language so the body of Christ can see and judge
whether she is or is not a fellow believer?

Yes!
To be saved is the first step in the process of salvation. Those who
are saved do not have eternal life -
Did you get that? THOSE WHO ARE SAVED ___DO NOT___HAVE ETERNAL LIFE!!!

LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

jn 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, HATH eternal life;
and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name
of the Son of God; that YE MAY KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that
ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of
yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
"If one who is born of God has truly repented of committing sin
(chosen to cease from sin) and then deliberately commits sin he has
despised the Holy Spirit, just as the OT the Israelites despised the
Law of God. It is blasphemy!"
"When we are converted all past sins are forgiven. After a person is
born-again, only sins of ignorance are forgiven. If a person sins
with knowledge and intent after that time, they have blasphemed
the Holy Spirit and there is no more sacrifice for sin. See Hebrews
6:1-8; Hebrews 10:26-31."
LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves
are ALSO FOUND SINNERS, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God
forbid.

Apparently, paul understood that even those justified in Christ STILL
SINNED!

Are we sure? Well, let's again test the doctrine of donna kupp by Paul's
own words, written in the last months of his life:

1 tim 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation,
that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I AM
CHIEF.

Wait a minute--I thought Donna said any Christian who willingly commits
even ONE SIN is eternally damned!

Apparently, paul did not realize this when he acknowledged he was the
WORST of sinners in 67 AD when he wrote this, 30+ years after finding
Christ! Thus, he must have been guilty of blaspheming the spirit
according to false teachers harold and donna kupp

What else did Paul have to say about whether Christians do or do not
commit sin in romans 7?

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing:
for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I
find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: BUT THE EVIL WHICH I WOULD NOT,
____THAT I DO___.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin
that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with
me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my
mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my
members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this
death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I
myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Does THAT sound like a man who has reached the state of sinless
perfection like Donna Kupp, who claims any sin she commits is 100%
accidental and unintentional??????

And this is her ultimate blasphemy regarding the blood of Christ...
Blood of Christ covers: 1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light,
as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the
blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. (Only sins
of ignorance)
Notice how donna kupp added the words "Only sins of ignorance" to
pervert John's words? Just as she did with the powerful passage in John
1:1, she rejects the message and inserts her own heretical words flat
out CONTRADICTING what was actually written! John says Christ's blood
cleanses us from ALL sin; Donna adds words to change it to all
UNINTENTIONAL sins, making the blood of Christ LIMITED in its ability to
atone for sin.

Kupp also has missed what Jesus said about how imperfect His followers
will always be:

Luke 4:4 And FORGIVE US OUR SINS; for we also forgive every one that is
indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from
evil.

Meanwhile, THIS is God's true message of salvation:

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become
the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

And while Donna Kupp blasphemes the gospel by claiming we keep--and
actually earn--our salvation through keeping the 10 commandments
perfectly, here is what the SCRIPTURE says about how we stay in right
standing security with God:

1 peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a
lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not
away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 WHO ARE KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD __THROUGH FAITH__ UNTO SALVATION
ready to be revealed in the last time.

So now we see her "gospel" IS NOT the gospel of the New testament. It is
a false gospel that...

A. Requires Bible verses to be rewritten in a heretical manner.
B. Requires adding a clarification to Scripture that TOTALLY overturns
what the Scripture actually SAYS.
C. Must deny the deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit.
D. Requires remaining in a state of salvation by keeping the 10
commandments PERFECTLY, or else the person is now damned without
possibility of repentance.
E. Blasphemes and limits the atoning power of Christ's blood to
"Only sins of ignorance."


4. As we noted, Paul says the MINISTER OF SATAN will actually appear to
be a MINISTER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS! That is what makes them so deceptive.
They are serpents in the guise of sheep, preaching righteous living and
'keeping God's holy law' while in their hearts is satan himself, drawing
people away from TRUE righteousness, to a perverted notion of it based
on keeping commandments!

Take a look at Donna Kupp's deceptive posts, including this one. Every
one touts the keeping of biblical commandments, threatens people with
damnation for failing to keep biblical commandments, and threatenes them
with damnation if anyone should ever--EVEN ONE TIME--willingly BREAK a
biblical commandment.

So Kupp APPEARS to be preaching the righteousness of 'keeping God's holy
commandments'...yet she does it in a way that is an UTTER PERVERSION of
the gospel of grace, and comes right from the mouth of satan speaking
good things, and making her LOOK like a minister of righetousness.

So, summing it up, Paul says that a minister of satan will...

Preach another Jesus...
Preach under another spirit...
Preach a different gospel...
While appearing to be a minister of righteousness while doing so!

I believe Donna Kupp meets ALL FOUR CRITERIA.

Based on the totality of her teachings, I see no conclusion other than
that the "Jesus" she follows is a demon spirit, and the "Yahweh" she
speaks for is actually SATAN.


I am dead to the law by the crucified body of Christ. Are you?
dolf
2012-05-30 21:33:25 UTC
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Do you know what that means Ike?

About the war in Iraq?

About the war in Afghanistan?

About the second World War?

Mr Peter Bowditch has a lot to answer for.

From dust he has come and to dust he will return.
Post by dolf
Post by dolf
"Did u pee on the Eternal Flame, yet again Dufus?"
Mr Peter Bowditch is as a person of British decent who is engaged
in racial, sexual and religious vilification of our Constitutional
Rights.
And I am most adamant about eventually bringing that fascist cunt
to his knees in showing a proper respect.
Dolt - please fuck off.
<snip evidence of insanity>
Post by dolf
"Dolf the dolt fails Turing test" [BARRY OGRADY]
Let me repeat it for you Barry: "Irish dogs such as Barry OGRADY
make ANZAC day a day to forget!"
...said the fool relying on Babylonian-originating Kabbalist
teachings.
Oh no Ike, I make no dependency on an indestructible atom as a geometric
construction and usage of manufactured spacial overlay:

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As any other legislative obligations enacted and given assent to by any
particular dispensation {ie. a system of order, government, or
organization of a nation, community, etc., especially as existing at a
particular time} of governance having power to rule as enumerated within
its Kabbalistic systemic conception by the Theory of Number (the Decade)
as: #1 - KETHER (Crown) to #10 - MALKUTH (Kingdom).

I don't even make a dependency on the emanation of MAGIC SQUARE #0 CE as
HETEROS (MALE/FEMALE MARRIAGE -- WHAT IS SIN & WICKEDNESS?) autonomic
transformative prototype and symbolic associator to the series #15 CE,
#34 CE, #65 CE, #111 CE, #175 CE, #260 CE, #369 CE ... #2000 Y2K

I get the dispensational basis of governance shown above by memetic
specific colour attributions {ie. vBronze: #69, vPurple: #9, vRed: #32,
vBlue: #20, vOrange: #61, vGreen: #73, vYellow: #35, vCyan: #58, vCoral:
#41} accompanying the conception of SEPTET MAGIC SQUARES which provides
an equitable distribution of NUMBER and MEMETIC NATURAL PROCESS OF ORDER
& CHANGE AS “CHAD” GOVERNANCE

So, summing it up, Paul says that a minister of satan will...

Preach another Jesus...
Preach under another spirit...
Preach a different gospel...
While appearing to be a minister of righteousness while doing so!

I believe Vince Garcia and the Roman Catholic Chuch meets ALL FOUR CRITERIA.

Based on the totality of their teachings, I see no conclusion other than
that the "Jesus" they follow is a demon spirit, and the "Yahweh" they
speaks for is actually SATAN.

I am dead to the law by the crucified body of Christ. Are you?

The Catholic Fascist Voice in Our Country is going to perish and will no
longer be heard.

Did you like the earthquake in Parma, Italy? The bins weren't in
disarray at least.

dolf (0822 hrs 20120529): "The Garbage collectors failed to empty my
bins correctly. Left them in a disarray and physically checked them for
compliance before emptying them.

Obviously this is related to my past complaint about their
non-participation in ANZAC day.

שלא
lo'-not (H3808): #331 = #300, #30, #1

1) not, no
1a) not (with verb - absolute prohibition)
1b) not (with modifier - negation)
1c) nothing (subst)
1d) without (with particle)
1e) before (of time)

- http://www.grapple369.com/grapple.html?zen:3,row:5,col:7

Waste Pariah Dogs & Forgotten Garbage (Butcher Paper & Foam) by a Lone
Gum Tree @ Fitzroy Street, Sale

טבחת
tabach-kill (H2873): #419 = #9, #2, #8, #400

1) to slaughter, slay, butcher, kill ruthlessly
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to slaughter, butcher
1a2) to slay, kill ruthlessly (fig.)

Should any further disparity as preferential service be noted, a legal
claim will be made against you."

Just yesterday, I said, the Catholic (Italian) fascist dogs don't seem
interested in my ANZAC Day miracle:

Where I read out the following in association to a mathematical model
and biblical text as substance of belief and an earthquake occurred in
the Tamar River area of Tasmania, killing one miner.

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“We are not ANZACs, We have done nobler deeds than they, Of which you
know nothing. We are not ANZACs because Australians subject us to
Religious persecution. We are not ANZACs because you deny us fair
Justice. We are not ANZACs because you think your race is better than
ours. We are not ANZACs because you deny us Community and Equal
Opportunity. O God Lord of retribution, LORD, God, Lord of retribution,
shine forth. Rise up O judge of the earth, and render an evil recompense
to the proud. How long will the wicked dwell in error? That pour out and
speak blasphemy, all those who deal falsely utter words of shame. They
crush your people. O LORD, and impoverish your inheritance. They kill
the widow and the sojourner and murder the orphans.

And they say, ‘The LORD does not see, and the God of Jacob does not pay
heed.’” [© 2004 The Order of Saint Benedict, Aramaic Targum of Psalm 94:1-7]

“We have Jesus on the cross
Your cold love put him there.
What is now your human loss?
Forever gone and despair.”

- http://www.grapple369.com/Being_files/crucified.gif

As an authoritative statement of fact about one’s own religious belief
as a substance which supersedes and is sovereign to your own unbelief or
disbelief as the belief (accompanying ritual practice) may be such as
Roman Catholicism. We seem to have Catholic et al managing and
disrupting Internet based conversations for years so as to prevent the
fostering of any viable alternative (as degree of belief) to Catholic
dogma as their disbelief in blasphemy which is the lack any real and
tangible Christian identity as unbelief.

I joked with him about what would likely to have happened yesterday and
whether I would have been involuntarily sectioned, if they had known,
that my singular intention was to effect a disdainful brutalisation of
them by the slaughter of the nuns who own the shop--And I proudly
expressed the view of its anticipated effectiveness, in being for them
an especially enhanced and grievous reality by virtue of the fact that
the Catholic nuns live within a worldview as delusional claim to
superiority, where they mistakenly believe there is no verity and surety
greater to their own belief. As they simply have no awareness of
something much greater than them. It therefore has the very real
capability of manifesting a most pronounced distress as uncontrolled
anxieties and palpitations. A loss of bodily function and breathing
control, an incapacity of speech and most probably resulting in death,
as my intentioned act of a most discomforting awareness of a loss of
soul. A judgement and revenge made against them. What do you think is
implied by the claim that I would effect a collapse and forfeiture by
the Catholic Religious Order, who have no remaining legitimacy within
Australian life?

I described to him, my well intentioned purpose, which I conveyed before
even beginning the 3 hrs of pleading my own cause of liberty with the
psychiatrists yesterday. I had sought to protect them (purposefully left
in draft disposition in that specific regard) in relation to the
mechanics of the document. And described it’s capability for manifesting
trauma as notionally equivalent to getting on the cross with Jesus. And
explained to them that whilst no harm was being intentioned towards
them. That should their sensibilities be moved to an empathy with my
representations, they should clearly convey their free accept of it. The
course of my presentation, would then focus on how the methodology, as
recourse to the habitual use of obstructions, which move one towards the
concealment of any intentioned process and instead having a reliance
upon scurrilous distortions of any immediacy and capability for threat
for actuality, has a mitigating effect on the permissibility of
authority under the legislation.

At one point I brought to their attention, the expressed need to avoid
the risky action of reading and consuming the document at too rapid and
careless rate. As you may unnecessarily enter into a painful anxious
state of fear which rendered them incapable of speech. That I was
responding to the outstanding matter of psychiatrist Peter Sternhell’s
slanderous characterisations of the substantial reality, vital
effectiveness and the substance of my own religious belief. The
improper, immodest and blasphemous characterisation by them, as being
irrational and delusional was often repeated without substantiation by
Dr. Meredith Stone (and I have seen her with child). To whom I have also
intentioned to effect a similar retaliation against those persons, as a
consequence to their slanderous, false and haughty characterisations of
me and my belief as delusional and as cause for their sado-masochistic
perversity to which I was then subject to their pleasure and the
pretence as beneficial claim of a therapeutic process. In having
furnished statements and these documents, in substantiation of my legal
entitlements and claim against Saint Vincent’s Hospital, theirs
similarly, is now a requirement as an accord with immediacy and a
priority towards an unequivocal awareness, of their obligation which is
without any further grounds for delay, as a requirement for them to
provide an accountability for their actions and in their absence any
credibility as lawful criteria to provide an apology and restitution for
their past and continuing persecutions. And they will afford me an
appropriate and sovereign dignity in the acknowledgement of the
superiority and correctness of my substantial claim to Christian belief
and over that which was previously claimed of Roman Catholic belief.

That until they all expire, every remaining Roman Catholic, from this
time forward will afford to me an appropriate dignity as my entitlement
which is attained by the sovereign basis of my substantiated claim to
Christian belief and identity--such recognition of my superiority over
the Roman Catholic Church and its fraudulent claims to Christian
identity is to be accompanied by an appropriate gesturing as bowing in
respect of my dignity and a verbalisation which acknowledges the majesty
of my triumphantism over you all.

On 29/05/12 9:17 PM, vince garcia wrote:
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#20 / ***@zen: 5, row: 3, col: 3, nous: 7 [Super: #397 / #46 -
Guiding Contentment, Moderation of Desire; I-Ching: H1 - Creative
Principle/Heaven; Tetra: 37 - Purity, Ego: #403 / #7 - Intentional
Reversal, Dimming Radiance; I-Ching: H12 - Stagnation; Tetra: 56 -
Closed Mouth] {Transforming Nature {DOUBLE: Form of Nature {Autonomous
Nature}}}

In relation to this notion of The Decade is the meaning of Yom Kippur as
a ritual of nullification held over a 10 day period commencing a new
Moon on 18 September 2001 (as my particular interest for synchronising
the centre of the Grapple Temporal / Noumenal Reality for a 5 day period
being #41 on 13 September 2001 as a centrifugal model comprising septet
#369 magic squares with the solar / lunar chronological cycle and
rational representation of PI / ENNEAD) and the Dead Sea Scroll
chronological principle which is a cosmological straight line--hence
transcendent--in having a starting point on the Equinox of Wednesday 20
March 1996 with a new Moon on Thursday 21 March for a base 7 Numbering
system intrinsic to the cosmogony as rational representation of PI.

In that for 3 x 364 days = 1092 days there was a lunar/solar comparison
of 3 x 354 lunar years + 30 days = 1092 days. There are in a cycle of 5
x 364 days + 182 days (as a 1/2 cycle) two fragments in the Dead Sea
Scroll relics related to the 1st day of the 7th solar month as occurring
on 12 September 2001 and the 21st priestly course starting on Sunday 16
September 2001 which fragment also brings together an association of the
solar and lunar cycles which appear to have been a readily observable
phenomenon.

In that this has according to the Dead Sea Scrolls, a reprise in a 294 x
364 day years as 6 Jubilees or 293 x 365.2423 days (just short of the
tropical years, but technologically better than the Julian calendar of
365.25 days instigated in 45 BCE and reformed in 1582 CE (1751 CE in
British Empire) by the Gregorian calendar reforms due to an
intercalation error resulting in a lost of synchronicity comprising a
magnitude loss of one day every 128 years. This forms the basis for
arguing a metaphysical and cosmological origin of language as 22
elements of the Hebrew letters which is otherwise shown geometrically as
an indestructible object (atom) in the association of the 10 as Decade
(as Greek and Ennead as Egyptian notions) and counts (number) and the 22
letters as 3 horizontal (Mother letters), 7 vertical lines (Double
letters) and 12 diagonal lines (Single letters):


Kabbalistic Tree of Life
ATZILUTH {1st as “World of Emanation” also known as Olam Atzilut, עולם
אצילות in Hebrew}
BRIYAH {2nd as “World of Creation” also known as Olam Briyah, עולם בריאה
in Hebrew}
YETZIRAH {3rd as “World of Formation” also known as Olam Yetsirah, עולם
יצירה in Hebrew}
ASSIYAH {4th as “World of Action” also known as Olam Asiyah, עולם עשיה
in Hebrew}

- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/tree.gif
- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/yetziratic_wheel.png

This is Chaldean / Babylonian in Origins: Hebrew letters as described in
the “Sefer Yetzirah”

YETZIRAH as in “Making" is as opposed to BRIYAH as in "Creating"
Actually taking whatever matter that was created in the BRIYAH and
shaping it into the basic elements.

It is also possible to divide the number of days in 400 years in the
Gregorian calendar reforms as 146,097 days by 7 and that when made
divisible by 22 to obtain the remainder, and to arrange the Hebrew
letters in a pattern which has a remainder of #13 as being in the middle
of the Chinese 2 BCE published DAO TE CHING / I CHING division of the
year into 364.5 days and the Jewish Kabbalah equivalent which deployed a
magic square of #369 having a distinct mathematical property at centre
of #41 for the equivalent date of 13 September.

#0 MOD 22 = 22 [#TAU / #400] as 4000 BCE
#400 MOD 22 = 17 [#PE / #80]
#800 MOD 22 = 12 [#LAMED / #30]
#1200 MOD 22 = 7 [#ZAYIN / #7]
#1600 MOD 22 = 2 [#BETH / #2]
#2000 MOD 22 = 19 [#QOPH / #100]
#2400 MOD 22 = 14 [#NUN / #50]
#2800 MOD 22 = 9 [#TETH / #9]
#3200 MOD 22 = 4 [#DALETH / #4]
#3600 MOD 22 = 21 [#SHIN / #300]
#4000 MOD 22 = 16 [#'AYIN / #70] = #0 CE as HETEROS (MALE/FEMALE
MARRIAGE -- WHAT IS SIN & WICKEDNESS?) autonomic transformative
prototype and symbolic associator to the series #15 CE, #34 CE, #65 CE,
#111 CE, #175 CE, #260 CE, #369 CE ... #2000 Y2K
#4400 MOD 22 = 11 [#KAF / #20] = #400 CE
#4800 MOD 22 = 6 [#VAV / #6] = #800 CE
#5200 MOD 22 = 1 [#ALEPH / #1] = #1200 CE
#5600 MOD 22 = 18 [#TSADE / #90] = #1600 CE
#6000 MOD 22 = 13 [#MEM / #40] = #2000 Y2K / Equinox of DATE(1996,3,20)
+ (5 * 364) + 182 days = Wednesday DATE(2001,9,12) with Equinox of
Saturday DATE(2001,9,23) commencing the Sabbath year of 'oth cycle

- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/toth9.gif

#6400 MOD 22 = 8 [#CHET / #8]
#6800 MOD 22 = 3 [#GIMEL / #3]
#7200 MOD 22 = 20 [#RESH / #200]
#7600 MOD 22 = 15 [#SAMEK / #60]
#8000 MOD 22 = 10 [#YOD / #10]
#8400 MOD 22 = 5 [#HE / #5]
#8800 MOD 22 = 22 [#TAU / #400] as 8800 CE

In many instances, the Torah also uses words and phrases in ways that
cannot be understood in their literal sense. There are a number of very
obvious examples of this in the narrative of the Creation, for the
metaphysical events that took place at that time were far removed from
the natural order of the world we know today. They could not have been
accurately described in ways that we can understand, nor in language
that we can relate to. For example, the Torah tells us how God brought
the world into being through speech, when in fact He created the world
through a form of thought. When the Torah describes God's thought
process as speech, it makes it easier for us to grasp the idea on our
own level. [Copyright © 2001 by Rabbi Daniel Travis and www.Torah.org]

dolf: “Fascist Dogs BroilJAB & Uergil discuss their creation denial!”

BroilJAB (***@wmconnect.com): “The deviant creationists twist
and turn, twist the words of the faithful.

Sad it is to see them like this.”

Uergil (***@uer.net): “If there is any damnation, it is the nation
creationists inhabit.”

dolf: “Vurgil or Uirgit? (***@arg.erg / ***@uirgil.ur)

Or is it now Uergil?

Creationist denial has its roots in German political theatre.

Numerological and mystic speculation was especially rife amongst German
Romantics and Naturphilosophien during the nineteenth century and grew
out of ancient teleological speculations concerning the harmonious
distribution of the heavenly bodies. Such speculation was by no means
confined to the celestial motions; in 1818 the Kantian mineralogist
Christian Weiss even argues for a link between aspects of
rhombic-dodecahedral crystal structure and the musical scale of tones!
However, such flights of imaginative fancy generally had little impact
upon the work of serious scientists; with one notable exception.

In 1766 Johann Daniel Titius von Wittenberg was preparing a German
translation of Charles Bonnet’s Contemplation de la Nature. To the
section on planetary motions he added a now famous footnote pointing out
that the radii of all the planetary orbits can be generated by the
following simple algorithm, where r is measured in astronomical units (1
AU = 1.496 x 1013 cm):


rn = 0.4 + 0.3 x 2n; n = 0,1,2…


This formula provided a striking approximation for the distance from the
Sun to the six then-known planets: Mercury {Measured: 0.39, Predicted:
0.4}, Venus {Measured: 0.72, Predicted: 0.7}, Earth {Measured: 1.00,
Predicted: 1.0}, Mars {Measured: 1.52, Predicted: 1.6}, Jupiter
{Measured: 5.20, Predicted: 5.2}, Saturn {Measured: 9.55, Predicted:
10.0}. Their measured distances from the Sun at the time of the Law’s
inception are indicated together with Titius’ predictions. [Rediscovery
of the Anthropic Principle, John Barrow & Frank Tipler, The Anthropic
Cosmological Principle, © 1996, p 221]

There is no more opportunity for repentance--and neither for forgiveness.

To hell with you!”

#21 / ***@zen: 5, row: 3, col: 7, nous: 67 [Super: #313 / #24 -
Important Distinctions, Trouble from Indulgence; I-Ching: H5 - Delay;
Tetra: 18 - Waiting, Ego: #462 / #67 - Three Treasures; I-Ching: H10 -
Tread Carefully; Tetra: 48 - Ritual] {Autonomous Nature {MOTHER: Scales
of Liability}}

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Post by dolf
More bankrupt apologies from catholic dogs.
They can be reqarded as equally fascist because they wanted the same
crown and control of marriage as the basis for global governance.
Post by dolf
I'm still waiting for the Catholic nuns of Saint Vincent's
Hospital to give an accountability for their persecution as
racial, sexual and religious vilification of me.
You deserved it.
vince garcia
2012-05-30 21:35:25 UTC
Permalink
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

--Apostle paul
A thousand may pray until their knees are bloody, but if they are not
keeping His Commandments, God says their prayer is an abomination to
Him. Yet the prayers of one one man who abides in Him can change the
"The effectual fervent prayer of a RIGHTEOUS man availeth much."
James 5:16 KJV
“Little children, let no one deceive you. He who DOES RIGHT is
RIGHTEOUS.” 1 John 3:7 RSV
Sounds good, doesn't it? SOUNDS like something a believer in Christ
might really say.

But what is the truth behind what Donna Kupp teaches and believes?

How can we know if this woman is of God or actually a false teacher when
she speaks?

Paul gives us the answer:

2 cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve
through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the
simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not
preached, or if ye receive ANOTHER SPIRIT, which ye have not received,
or ANOTHER GOSPEL, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with
him.

2 cor 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming
themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of
light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed
as the MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS; whose end shall be according to their
works.

Donna Kupp, for those who do not know, is a woman preaching a false
gospel with a false Christ that denies virtually every possible
essential of the Christian faith.

Note here paul's words about false teachers: they will actually be
"MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS"!!!!! Not antinomians, teaching lawlessness
and freedom to sin, but MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, teaching an
apparently good-sounding Gospel that is actually ANOTHER GOSPEL about
ANOTHER JESUS!

Let us test Donna Kupp's own words against the doctrines of
the New Testament and the Christian church, and see if we can determine
whether she is a servant of God, or actually a minister of Satan!

1. First, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach "ANOTHER
JESUS."

Is Donna Kupp's Jesus YOUR Jesus? Is her Jesus the Jesus of
Scripture?

While Donna Kupp just made a number of statements sound like something a
real Christian might make, we cannot make a judgment whether she is or
is not a true Christian based only on what she just posted here. We must
determine if she really teaches the same Jesus REAL Christians follow by
looking at statements she, herself, has made about Christ in the past,
that she may not throw out on a regular basis, because she knows it
reveals what she REALLY thinks about Christ.

So what does she actually say about the Jesus she follows, and
supposedly places faith in?

This...
"In the beginning was Jesus
and Jesus was with THE RULER,
and Jesus was Ruler.
The same was in the beginning with THE RULER."
John was teaching that Jesus was our Ruler (our theos) and that
Jesus was with the Father from the very beginning of creation.
(Not that Jesus was one third of some mysterious and mind-
boggling "Trinity" that no one had ever heard of.)
We can stop right there. Donna Kupp, denying the deity of Christ,
rewrites the Gospel of John in a manner that affirms that denial, so we
can either change all our Bibles to her new trenslation that "proves"
Jesus is NOT fully God, but some other sort of created lesser being, or
we can allow the sacred words of the apostle John to stand AS WRITTEN!

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the WORD
WAS GOD.

So we see her Jesus is ANOTHER JESUS that orthodox Protestants and
Evangelicals (and Catholics) DO NOT believe in.

For US, Jesus is God in flesh, fully God and fully man, and 2nd Person
of the Trinity she goes on to mock and deny.


2. Next, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach or operate under
a "DIFFERENT SPIRIT".

Does Donna Kupp teach and receive anoining by the same Holy Spirit that
REAL Christians follow?

Judge for yourself by her own words.
The concept that the Holy Spirit is God is based on a single verse in
Acts (5:3) where it says that Ananias lied to the Holy Spirit - and
later it says that he lied to God.
To conclude that the Holy Spirit is God on the basis of those verses is
merely an interpretation which adds to what is actually written. Since
the Spirit is the means of communciation between God and man, if you
lie to the Spirit you are in effect lying to God. Are there any verses
which actually say that the Holy Spirit is God?
Not one!
Jesus did not teach the Trinity, the apostles did not teach it, and it
was not taught by church leaders for three hundred years after the
death of Christ.
All REAL Christians believe not only in the deity of Christ, but also
the Godhood of the Holy Spirit. As we see from her own words, Donna
Kupp denies those two essentials of the faith, and proclaims the Holy
Spirit is only some nebulous "means of communication between God and
man"

So now we see she has fulfilled the SECOND warning of Paul--she has
A DIFFERENT SPIRIT than REAL Christians do.

By the way, her LIES about the history of the Trinity are instantly
refutable:

The deity of Christ was EXPLICITLY taught by Ignatius in the early 2nd
century

"To the Church at Ephesus in Asia . . . chosen through true suffering by
the will of the Father in Jesus Christ our God"
"FOR OUR GOD, Jesus Christ, was conceived by Mary in accord with God�s
plan: of the seed of David, it is true, but also of the Holy Spirit"

Letter to the Ephesians 1 110 AD
There is no record of the co-equal, co-eternal, three-in-one God
being taught by a single one of the early church fathers. It
was not a part of Christian teaching until it was formulated by the
Second Ecumenical Council at Constantinople in 381.A.D.
"No record"?


For the Church, although dispersed throughout the whole world even to
the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and from their
disciples the faith in one God, the Father Almighty . . . and in one
Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who became flesh for our salvation; and in
the Holy Spirit

Irenaeus, before 200 AD

And at the same time the mystery of the oikonomia is safeguarded, for
the unity is distributed in a TRINITY. Placed in order, the three are
the Father, Son, and Spirit. They are three, however, not in condition,
but in degree; not in being, but in form; not in power, but in kind; of
one being, however, and one condition and one power, because he is one
God of whom degrees and forms and kinds are taken into account in the
name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit"

Tertullian "Against Praxeas" early 200s AD

For Scripture as much announces Christ AS ALSO GOD, as it announces God
himself as man. It has as much described Jesus Christ to be man, as
moreover it has also described Christ the Lord to be God. Because it
does not set forth him to be the Son of God only, but also the son of
man; nor does it only say, the son of man, but it has also been
accustomed to speak of him as the Son of God. So that being of both, he
is both, lest if he should be one only, he could not be the other. For
as nature itself has prescribed that he must be believed to be a man who
is of man, so the same nature prescribes also that he must be believed
to be God who is of God. . . . Let them, therefore, who read that Jesus
Christ the son of man is man, read also that this same Jesus is called
also God and the Son of God"

Novatian, Treatise on the Trinity 11 235 AD

And now the capstone to Kupp's historial and TEXTUAL illiteracy:

The Lord says: 'I and the Father are one.' And again of the Father and
Son and the Holy Spirit it is written: 'And these three are one'.
Cyprian --Treatise 1 on the unity of the Catholic Church, chapter 6,
early 3rd century, PROVING THE LEGITIMACY OF THE COMMA JOHANNEUM KUPP
(and other historical illiterates) SAY IS A FRAUD.


3. The minister of Satan will also teach "ANOTHER GOSPEL."

Does Donna Kupp uphold the CHRISTIAN gospel? We've already seen she
denies and perverts the nature of Jesus Himself and the precious Holy
Spirit. But what is her actual gospel message? She talks about
obedience, and making Jesus Lord...but what does she really believe
about sin, justification, and sanctification? Does she ever lay out her
beliefs in clear language so the body of Christ can see and judge
whether she is or is not a fellow believer?

Yes!
To be saved is the first step in the process of salvation. Those who
are saved do not have eternal life -
Did you get that? THOSE WHO ARE SAVED ___DO NOT___HAVE ETERNAL LIFE!!!

LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

jn 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, HATH eternal life;
and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name
of the Son of God; that YE MAY KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that
ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of
yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
"If one who is born of God has truly repented of committing sin
(chosen to cease from sin) and then deliberately commits sin he has
despised the Holy Spirit, just as the OT the Israelites despised the
Law of God. It is blasphemy!"
"When we are converted all past sins are forgiven. After a person is
born-again, only sins of ignorance are forgiven. If a person sins
with knowledge and intent after that time, they have blasphemed
the Holy Spirit and there is no more sacrifice for sin. See Hebrews
6:1-8; Hebrews 10:26-31."
LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves
are ALSO FOUND SINNERS, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God
forbid.

Apparently, paul understood that even those justified in Christ STILL
SINNED!

Are we sure? Well, let's again test the doctrine of donna kupp by Paul's
own words, written in the last months of his life:

1 tim 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation,
that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I AM
CHIEF.

Wait a minute--I thought Donna said any Christian who willingly commits
even ONE SIN is eternally damned!

Apparently, paul did not realize this when he acknowledged he was the
WORST of sinners in 67 AD when he wrote this, 30+ years after finding
Christ! Thus, he must have been guilty of blaspheming the spirit
according to false teachers harold and donna kupp

What else did Paul have to say about whether Christians do or do not
commit sin in romans 7?

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing:
for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I
find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: BUT THE EVIL WHICH I WOULD NOT,
____THAT I DO___.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin
that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with
me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my
mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my
members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this
death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I
myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Does THAT sound like a man who has reached the state of sinless
perfection like Donna Kupp, who claims any sin she commits is 100%
accidental and unintentional??????

And this is her ultimate blasphemy regarding the blood of Christ...
Blood of Christ covers: 1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light,
as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the
blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. (Only sins
of ignorance)
Notice how donna kupp added the words "Only sins of ignorance" to
pervert John's words? Just as she did with the powerful passage in John
1:1, she rejects the message and inserts her own heretical words flat
out CONTRADICTING what was actually written! John says Christ's blood
cleanses us from ALL sin; Donna adds words to change it to all
UNINTENTIONAL sins, making the blood of Christ LIMITED in its ability to
atone for sin.

Kupp also has missed what Jesus said about how imperfect His followers
will always be:

Luke 4:4 And FORGIVE US OUR SINS; for we also forgive every one that is
indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from
evil.

Meanwhile, THIS is God's true message of salvation:

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become
the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

And while Donna Kupp blasphemes the gospel by claiming we keep--and
actually earn--our salvation through keeping the 10 commandments
perfectly, here is what the SCRIPTURE says about how we stay in right
standing security with God:

1 peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a
lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not
away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 WHO ARE KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD __THROUGH FAITH__ UNTO SALVATION
ready to be revealed in the last time.

So now we see her "gospel" IS NOT the gospel of the New testament. It is
a false gospel that...

A. Requires Bible verses to be rewritten in a heretical manner.
B. Requires adding a clarification to Scripture that TOTALLY overturns
what the Scripture actually SAYS.
C. Must deny the deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit.
D. Requires remaining in a state of salvation by keeping the 10
commandments PERFECTLY, or else the person is now damned without
possibility of repentance.
E. Blasphemes and limits the atoning power of Christ's blood to
"Only sins of ignorance."


4. As we noted, Paul says the MINISTER OF SATAN will actually appear to
be a MINISTER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS! That is what makes them so deceptive.
They are serpents in the guise of sheep, preaching righteous living and
'keeping God's holy law' while in their hearts is satan himself, drawing
people away from TRUE righteousness, to a perverted notion of it based
on keeping commandments!

Take a look at Donna Kupp's deceptive posts, including this one. Every
one touts the keeping of biblical commandments, threatens people with
damnation for failing to keep biblical commandments, and threatenes them
with damnation if anyone should ever--EVEN ONE TIME--willingly BREAK a
biblical commandment.

So Kupp APPEARS to be preaching the righteousness of 'keeping God's holy
commandments'...yet she does it in a way that is an UTTER PERVERSION of
the gospel of grace, and comes right from the mouth of satan speaking
good things, and making her LOOK like a minister of righetousness.

So, summing it up, Paul says that a minister of satan will...

Preach another Jesus...
Preach under another spirit...
Preach a different gospel...
While appearing to be a minister of righteousness while doing so!

I believe Donna Kupp meets ALL FOUR CRITERIA.

Based on the totality of her teachings, I see no conclusion other than
that the "Jesus" she follows is a demon spirit, and the "Yahweh" she
speaks for is actually SATAN.


I am dead to the law by the crucified body of Christ. Are you?
vince garcia
2012-05-30 21:36:59 UTC
Permalink
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

--Apostle paul
A thousand may pray until their knees are bloody, but if they are not
keeping His Commandments, God says their prayer is an abomination to
Him. Yet the prayers of one one man who abides in Him can change the
"The effectual fervent prayer of a RIGHTEOUS man availeth much."
James 5:16 KJV
“Little children, let no one deceive you. He who DOES RIGHT is
RIGHTEOUS.” 1 John 3:7 RSV
Sounds good, doesn't it? SOUNDS like something a believer in Christ
might really say.

But what is the truth behind what Donna Kupp teaches and believes?

How can we know if this woman is of God or actually a false teacher when
she speaks?

Paul gives us the answer:

2 cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve
through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the
simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not
preached, or if ye receive ANOTHER SPIRIT, which ye have not received,
or ANOTHER GOSPEL, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with
him.

2 cor 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming
themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of
light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed
as the MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS; whose end shall be according to their
works.

Donna Kupp, for those who do not know, is a woman preaching a false
gospel with a false Christ that denies virtually every possible
essential of the Christian faith.

Note here paul's words about false teachers: they will actually be
"MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS"!!!!! Not antinomians, teaching lawlessness
and freedom to sin, but MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, teaching an
apparently good-sounding Gospel that is actually ANOTHER GOSPEL about
ANOTHER JESUS!

Let us test Donna Kupp's own words against the doctrines of
the New Testament and the Christian church, and see if we can determine
whether she is a servant of God, or actually a minister of Satan!

1. First, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach "ANOTHER
JESUS."

Is Donna Kupp's Jesus YOUR Jesus? Is her Jesus the Jesus of
Scripture?

While Donna Kupp just made a number of statements sound like something a
real Christian might make, we cannot make a judgment whether she is or
is not a true Christian based only on what she just posted here. We must
determine if she really teaches the same Jesus REAL Christians follow by
looking at statements she, herself, has made about Christ in the past,
that she may not throw out on a regular basis, because she knows it
reveals what she REALLY thinks about Christ.

So what does she actually say about the Jesus she follows, and
supposedly places faith in?

This...
"In the beginning was Jesus
and Jesus was with THE RULER,
and Jesus was Ruler.
The same was in the beginning with THE RULER."
John was teaching that Jesus was our Ruler (our theos) and that
Jesus was with the Father from the very beginning of creation.
(Not that Jesus was one third of some mysterious and mind-
boggling "Trinity" that no one had ever heard of.)
We can stop right there. Donna Kupp, denying the deity of Christ,
rewrites the Gospel of John in a manner that affirms that denial, so we
can either change all our Bibles to her new trenslation that "proves"
Jesus is NOT fully God, but some other sort of created lesser being, or
we can allow the sacred words of the apostle John to stand AS WRITTEN!

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the WORD
WAS GOD.

So we see her Jesus is ANOTHER JESUS that orthodox Protestants and
Evangelicals (and Catholics) DO NOT believe in.

For US, Jesus is God in flesh, fully God and fully man, and 2nd Person
of the Trinity she goes on to mock and deny.


2. Next, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach or operate under
a "DIFFERENT SPIRIT".

Does Donna Kupp teach and receive anoining by the same Holy Spirit that
REAL Christians follow?

Judge for yourself by her own words.
The concept that the Holy Spirit is God is based on a single verse in
Acts (5:3) where it says that Ananias lied to the Holy Spirit - and
later it says that he lied to God.
To conclude that the Holy Spirit is God on the basis of those verses is
merely an interpretation which adds to what is actually written. Since
the Spirit is the means of communciation between God and man, if you
lie to the Spirit you are in effect lying to God. Are there any verses
which actually say that the Holy Spirit is God?
Not one!
Jesus did not teach the Trinity, the apostles did not teach it, and it
was not taught by church leaders for three hundred years after the
death of Christ.
All REAL Christians believe not only in the deity of Christ, but also
the Godhood of the Holy Spirit. As we see from her own words, Donna
Kupp denies those two essentials of the faith, and proclaims the Holy
Spirit is only some nebulous "means of communication between God and
man"

So now we see she has fulfilled the SECOND warning of Paul--she has
A DIFFERENT SPIRIT than REAL Christians do.

By the way, her LIES about the history of the Trinity are instantly
refutable:

The deity of Christ was EXPLICITLY taught by Ignatius in the early 2nd
century

"To the Church at Ephesus in Asia . . . chosen through true suffering by
the will of the Father in Jesus Christ our God"
"FOR OUR GOD, Jesus Christ, was conceived by Mary in accord with God�s
plan: of the seed of David, it is true, but also of the Holy Spirit"

Letter to the Ephesians 1 110 AD
There is no record of the co-equal, co-eternal, three-in-one God
being taught by a single one of the early church fathers. It
was not a part of Christian teaching until it was formulated by the
Second Ecumenical Council at Constantinople in 381.A.D.
"No record"?


For the Church, although dispersed throughout the whole world even to
the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and from their
disciples the faith in one God, the Father Almighty . . . and in one
Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who became flesh for our salvation; and in
the Holy Spirit

Irenaeus, before 200 AD

And at the same time the mystery of the oikonomia is safeguarded, for
the unity is distributed in a TRINITY. Placed in order, the three are
the Father, Son, and Spirit. They are three, however, not in condition,
but in degree; not in being, but in form; not in power, but in kind; of
one being, however, and one condition and one power, because he is one
God of whom degrees and forms and kinds are taken into account in the
name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit"

Tertullian "Against Praxeas" early 200s AD

For Scripture as much announces Christ AS ALSO GOD, as it announces God
himself as man. It has as much described Jesus Christ to be man, as
moreover it has also described Christ the Lord to be God. Because it
does not set forth him to be the Son of God only, but also the son of
man; nor does it only say, the son of man, but it has also been
accustomed to speak of him as the Son of God. So that being of both, he
is both, lest if he should be one only, he could not be the other. For
as nature itself has prescribed that he must be believed to be a man who
is of man, so the same nature prescribes also that he must be believed
to be God who is of God. . . . Let them, therefore, who read that Jesus
Christ the son of man is man, read also that this same Jesus is called
also God and the Son of God"

Novatian, Treatise on the Trinity 11 235 AD

And now the capstone to Kupp's historial and TEXTUAL illiteracy:

The Lord says: 'I and the Father are one.' And again of the Father and
Son and the Holy Spirit it is written: 'And these three are one'.
Cyprian --Treatise 1 on the unity of the Catholic Church, chapter 6,
early 3rd century, PROVING THE LEGITIMACY OF THE COMMA JOHANNEUM KUPP
(and other historical illiterates) SAY IS A FRAUD.


3. The minister of Satan will also teach "ANOTHER GOSPEL."

Does Donna Kupp uphold the CHRISTIAN gospel? We've already seen she
denies and perverts the nature of Jesus Himself and the precious Holy
Spirit. But what is her actual gospel message? She talks about
obedience, and making Jesus Lord...but what does she really believe
about sin, justification, and sanctification? Does she ever lay out her
beliefs in clear language so the body of Christ can see and judge
whether she is or is not a fellow believer?

Yes!
To be saved is the first step in the process of salvation. Those who
are saved do not have eternal life -
Did you get that? THOSE WHO ARE SAVED ___DO NOT___HAVE ETERNAL LIFE!!!

LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

jn 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, HATH eternal life;
and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name
of the Son of God; that YE MAY KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that
ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of
yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
"If one who is born of God has truly repented of committing sin
(chosen to cease from sin) and then deliberately commits sin he has
despised the Holy Spirit, just as the OT the Israelites despised the
Law of God. It is blasphemy!"
"When we are converted all past sins are forgiven. After a person is
born-again, only sins of ignorance are forgiven. If a person sins
with knowledge and intent after that time, they have blasphemed
the Holy Spirit and there is no more sacrifice for sin. See Hebrews
6:1-8; Hebrews 10:26-31."
LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves
are ALSO FOUND SINNERS, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God
forbid.

Apparently, paul understood that even those justified in Christ STILL
SINNED!

Are we sure? Well, let's again test the doctrine of donna kupp by Paul's
own words, written in the last months of his life:

1 tim 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation,
that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I AM
CHIEF.

Wait a minute--I thought Donna said any Christian who willingly commits
even ONE SIN is eternally damned!

Apparently, paul did not realize this when he acknowledged he was the
WORST of sinners in 67 AD when he wrote this, 30+ years after finding
Christ! Thus, he must have been guilty of blaspheming the spirit
according to false teachers harold and donna kupp

What else did Paul have to say about whether Christians do or do not
commit sin in romans 7?

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing:
for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I
find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: BUT THE EVIL WHICH I WOULD NOT,
____THAT I DO___.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin
that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with
me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my
mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my
members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this
death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I
myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Does THAT sound like a man who has reached the state of sinless
perfection like Donna Kupp, who claims any sin she commits is 100%
accidental and unintentional??????

And this is her ultimate blasphemy regarding the blood of Christ...
Blood of Christ covers: 1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light,
as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the
blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. (Only sins
of ignorance)
Notice how donna kupp added the words "Only sins of ignorance" to
pervert John's words? Just as she did with the powerful passage in John
1:1, she rejects the message and inserts her own heretical words flat
out CONTRADICTING what was actually written! John says Christ's blood
cleanses us from ALL sin; Donna adds words to change it to all
UNINTENTIONAL sins, making the blood of Christ LIMITED in its ability to
atone for sin.

Kupp also has missed what Jesus said about how imperfect His followers
will always be:

Luke 4:4 And FORGIVE US OUR SINS; for we also forgive every one that is
indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from
evil.

Meanwhile, THIS is God's true message of salvation:

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become
the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

And while Donna Kupp blasphemes the gospel by claiming we keep--and
actually earn--our salvation through keeping the 10 commandments
perfectly, here is what the SCRIPTURE says about how we stay in right
standing security with God:

1 peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a
lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not
away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 WHO ARE KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD __THROUGH FAITH__ UNTO SALVATION
ready to be revealed in the last time.

So now we see her "gospel" IS NOT the gospel of the New testament. It is
a false gospel that...

A. Requires Bible verses to be rewritten in a heretical manner.
B. Requires adding a clarification to Scripture that TOTALLY overturns
what the Scripture actually SAYS.
C. Must deny the deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit.
D. Requires remaining in a state of salvation by keeping the 10
commandments PERFECTLY, or else the person is now damned without
possibility of repentance.
E. Blasphemes and limits the atoning power of Christ's blood to
"Only sins of ignorance."


4. As we noted, Paul says the MINISTER OF SATAN will actually appear to
be a MINISTER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS! That is what makes them so deceptive.
They are serpents in the guise of sheep, preaching righteous living and
'keeping God's holy law' while in their hearts is satan himself, drawing
people away from TRUE righteousness, to a perverted notion of it based
on keeping commandments!

Take a look at Donna Kupp's deceptive posts, including this one. Every
one touts the keeping of biblical commandments, threatens people with
damnation for failing to keep biblical commandments, and threatenes them
with damnation if anyone should ever--EVEN ONE TIME--willingly BREAK a
biblical commandment.

So Kupp APPEARS to be preaching the righteousness of 'keeping God's holy
commandments'...yet she does it in a way that is an UTTER PERVERSION of
the gospel of grace, and comes right from the mouth of satan speaking
good things, and making her LOOK like a minister of righetousness.

So, summing it up, Paul says that a minister of satan will...

Preach another Jesus...
Preach under another spirit...
Preach a different gospel...
While appearing to be a minister of righteousness while doing so!

I believe Donna Kupp meets ALL FOUR CRITERIA.

Based on the totality of her teachings, I see no conclusion other than
that the "Jesus" she follows is a demon spirit, and the "Yahweh" she
speaks for is actually SATAN.


I am dead to the law by the crucified body of Christ. Are you?
dolf
2012-05-29 22:47:54 UTC
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The Catholic Fascist Voice in Our Country is going to perish and will no
longer be heard.

Did you like the earthquake in Parma, Italy? The bins weren't in
disarray at least.

dolf (0822 hrs 20120529): "The Garbage collectors failed to empty my
bins correctly. Left them in a disarray and physically checked them for
compliance before emptying them.

Obviously this is related to my past complaint about their
non-participation in ANZAC day.

שלא
lo'-not (H3808): #331 = #300, #30, #1

1) not, no
1a) not (with verb - absolute prohibition)
1b) not (with modifier - negation)
1c) nothing (subst)
1d) without (with particle)
1e) before (of time)

- http://www.grapple369.com/grapple.html?zen:3,row:5,col:7

Waste Pariah Dogs & Forgotten Garbage (Butcher Paper & Foam) by a Lone
Gum Tree @ Fitzroy Street, Sale

טבחת
tabach-kill (H2873): #419 = #9, #2, #8, #400

1) to slaughter, slay, butcher, kill ruthlessly
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to slaughter, butcher
1a2) to slay, kill ruthlessly (fig.)

Should any further disparity as preferential service be noted, a legal
claim will be made against you."

Just yesterday, I said, the Catholic (Italian) fascist dogs don't seem
interested in my ANZAC Day miracle:

Where I read out the following in association to a mathematical model
and biblical text as substance of belief and an earthquake occurred in
the Tamar River area of Tasmania, killing one miner.

- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/nous.gif

“We are not ANZACs, We have done nobler deeds than they, Of which you
know nothing. We are not ANZACs because Australians subject us to
Religious persecution. We are not ANZACs because you deny us fair
Justice. We are not ANZACs because you think your race is better than
ours. We are not ANZACs because you deny us Community and Equal
Opportunity. O God Lord of retribution, LORD, God, Lord of retribution,
shine forth. Rise up O judge of the earth, and render an evil recompense
to the proud. How long will the wicked dwell in error? That pour out and
speak blasphemy, all those who deal falsely utter words of shame. They
crush your people. O LORD, and impoverish your inheritance. They kill
the widow and the sojourner and murder the orphans.

And they say, ‘The LORD does not see, and the God of Jacob does not pay
heed.’” [© 2004 The Order of Saint Benedict, Aramaic Targum of Psalm 94:1-7]

“We have Jesus on the cross
Your cold love put him there.
What is now your human loss?
Forever gone and despair.”

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As an authoritative statement of fact about one’s own religious belief
as a substance which supersedes and is sovereign to your own unbelief or
disbelief as the belief (accompanying ritual practice) may be such as
Roman Catholicism. We seem to have Catholic et al managing and
disrupting Internet based conversations for years so as to prevent the
fostering of any viable alternative (as degree of belief) to Catholic
dogma as their disbelief in blasphemy which is the lack any real and
tangible Christian identity as unbelief.

I joked with him about what would likely to have happened yesterday and
whether I would have been involuntarily sectioned, if they had known,
that my singular intention was to effect a disdainful brutalisation of
them by the slaughter of the nuns who own the shop--And I proudly
expressed the view of its anticipated effectiveness, in being for them
an especially enhanced and grievous reality by virtue of the fact that
the Catholic nuns live within a worldview as delusional claim to
superiority, where they mistakenly believe there is no verity and surety
greater to their own belief. As they simply have no awareness of
something much greater than them. It therefore has the very real
capability of manifesting a most pronounced distress as uncontrolled
anxieties and palpitations. A loss of bodily function and breathing
control, an incapacity of speech and most probably resulting in death,
as my intentioned act of a most discomforting awareness of a loss of
soul. A judgement and revenge made against them. What do you think is
implied by the claim that I would effect a collapse and forfeiture by
the Catholic Religious Order, who have no remaining legitimacy within
Australian life?

I described to him, my well intentioned purpose, which I conveyed before
even beginning the 3 hrs of pleading my own cause of liberty with the
psychiatrists yesterday. I had sought to protect them (purposefully left
in draft disposition in that specific regard) in relation to the
mechanics of the document. And described it’s capability for manifesting
trauma as notionally equivalent to getting on the cross with Jesus. And
explained to them that whilst no harm was being intentioned towards
them. That should their sensibilities be moved to an empathy with my
representations, they should clearly convey their free accept of it. The
course of my presentation, would then focus on how the methodology, as
recourse to the habitual use of obstructions, which move one towards the
concealment of any intentioned process and instead having a reliance
upon scurrilous distortions of any immediacy and capability for threat
for actuality, has a mitigating effect on the permissibility of
authority under the legislation.

At one point I brought to their attention, the expressed need to avoid
the risky action of reading and consuming the document at too rapid and
careless rate. As you may unnecessarily enter into a painful anxious
state of fear which rendered them incapable of speech. That I was
responding to the outstanding matter of psychiatrist Peter Sternhell’s
slanderous characterisations of the substantial reality, vital
effectiveness and the substance of my own religious belief. The
improper, immodest and blasphemous characterisation by them, as being
irrational and delusional was often repeated without substantiation by
Dr. Meredith Stone (and I have seen her with child). To whom I have also
intentioned to effect a similar retaliation against those persons, as a
consequence to their slanderous, false and haughty characterisations of
me and my belief as delusional and as cause for their sado-masochistic
perversity to which I was then subject to their pleasure and the
pretence as beneficial claim of a therapeutic process. In having
furnished statements and these documents, in substantiation of my legal
entitlements and claim against Saint Vincent’s Hospital, theirs
similarly, is now a requirement as an accord with immediacy and a
priority towards an unequivocal awareness, of their obligation which is
without any further grounds for delay, as a requirement for them to
provide an accountability for their actions and in their absence any
credibility as lawful criteria to provide an apology and restitution for
their past and continuing persecutions. And they will afford me an
appropriate and sovereign dignity in the acknowledgement of the
superiority and correctness of my substantial claim to Christian belief
and over that which was previously claimed of Roman Catholic belief.

That until they all expire, every remaining Roman Catholic, from this
time forward will afford to me an appropriate dignity as my entitlement
which is attained by the sovereign basis of my substantiated claim to
Christian belief and identity--such recognition of my superiority over
the Roman Catholic Church and its fraudulent claims to Christian
identity is to be accompanied by an appropriate gesturing as bowing in
respect of my dignity and a verbalisation which acknowledges the majesty
of my triumphantism over you all.
Post by vince garcia
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
--Apostle paul
Based on the totality of her teachings, I see no conclusion other than
that the "Jesus" she follows is a demon spirit, and the "Yahweh" she
speaks for is actually SATAN.
I am dead to the law by the crucified body of Christ. Are you?
vince garcia
2012-05-29 23:49:48 UTC
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As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

--Apostle paul
A thousand may pray until their knees are bloody, but if they are not
keeping His Commandments, God says their prayer is an abomination to
Him. Yet the prayers of one one man who abides in Him can change the
"The effectual fervent prayer of a RIGHTEOUS man availeth much."
James 5:16 KJV
“Little children, let no one deceive you. He who DOES RIGHT is
RIGHTEOUS.” 1 John 3:7 RSV
Sounds good, doesn't it? SOUNDS like something a believer in Christ
might really say.

But what is the truth behind what Donna Kupp teaches and believes?

How can we know if this woman is of God or actually a false teacher when
she speaks?

Paul gives us the answer:

2 cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve
through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the
simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not
preached, or if ye receive ANOTHER SPIRIT, which ye have not received,
or ANOTHER GOSPEL, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with
him.

2 cor 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming
themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of
light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed
as the MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS; whose end shall be according to their
works.

Donna Kupp, for those who do not know, is a woman preaching a false
gospel with a false Christ that denies virtually every possible
essential of the Christian faith.

Note here paul's words about false teachers: they will actually be
"MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS"!!!!! Not antinomians, teaching lawlessness
and freedom to sin, but MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, teaching an
apparently good-sounding Gospel that is actually ANOTHER GOSPEL about
ANOTHER JESUS!

Let us test Donna Kupp's own words against the doctrines of
the New Testament and the Christian church, and see if we can determine
whether she is a servant of God, or actually a minister of Satan!

1. First, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach "ANOTHER
JESUS."

Is Donna Kupp's Jesus YOUR Jesus? Is her Jesus the Jesus of
Scripture?

While Donna Kupp just made a number of statements sound like something a
real Christian might make, we cannot make a judgment whether she is or
is not a true Christian based only on what she just posted here. We must
determine if she really teaches the same Jesus REAL Christians follow by
looking at statements she, herself, has made about Christ in the past,
that she may not throw out on a regular basis, because she knows it
reveals what she REALLY thinks about Christ.

So what does she actually say about the Jesus she follows, and
supposedly places faith in?

This...
"In the beginning was Jesus
and Jesus was with THE RULER,
and Jesus was Ruler.
The same was in the beginning with THE RULER."
John was teaching that Jesus was our Ruler (our theos) and that
Jesus was with the Father from the very beginning of creation.
(Not that Jesus was one third of some mysterious and mind-
boggling "Trinity" that no one had ever heard of.)
We can stop right there. Donna Kupp, denying the deity of Christ,
rewrites the Gospel of John in a manner that affirms that denial, so we
can either change all our Bibles to her new trenslation that "proves"
Jesus is NOT fully God, but some other sort of created lesser being, or
we can allow the sacred words of the apostle John to stand AS WRITTEN!

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the WORD
WAS GOD.

So we see her Jesus is ANOTHER JESUS that orthodox Protestants and
Evangelicals (and Catholics) DO NOT believe in.

For US, Jesus is God in flesh, fully God and fully man, and 2nd Person
of the Trinity she goes on to mock and deny.


2. Next, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach or operate under
a "DIFFERENT SPIRIT".

Does Donna Kupp teach and receive anoining by the same Holy Spirit that
REAL Christians follow?

Judge for yourself by her own words.
The concept that the Holy Spirit is God is based on a single verse in
Acts (5:3) where it says that Ananias lied to the Holy Spirit - and
later it says that he lied to God.
To conclude that the Holy Spirit is God on the basis of those verses is
merely an interpretation which adds to what is actually written. Since
the Spirit is the means of communciation between God and man, if you
lie to the Spirit you are in effect lying to God. Are there any verses
which actually say that the Holy Spirit is God?
Not one!
Jesus did not teach the Trinity, the apostles did not teach it, and it
was not taught by church leaders for three hundred years after the
death of Christ.
All REAL Christians believe not only in the deity of Christ, but also
the Godhood of the Holy Spirit. As we see from her own words, Donna
Kupp denies those two essentials of the faith, and proclaims the Holy
Spirit is only some nebulous "means of communication between God and
man"

So now we see she has fulfilled the SECOND warning of Paul--she has
A DIFFERENT SPIRIT than REAL Christians do.

By the way, her LIES about the history of the Trinity are instantly
refutable:

The deity of Christ was EXPLICITLY taught by Ignatius in the early 2nd
century

"To the Church at Ephesus in Asia . . . chosen through true suffering by
the will of the Father in Jesus Christ our God"
"FOR OUR GOD, Jesus Christ, was conceived by Mary in accord with God�s
plan: of the seed of David, it is true, but also of the Holy Spirit"

Letter to the Ephesians 1 110 AD
There is no record of the co-equal, co-eternal, three-in-one God
being taught by a single one of the early church fathers. It
was not a part of Christian teaching until it was formulated by the
Second Ecumenical Council at Constantinople in 381.A.D.
"No record"?


For the Church, although dispersed throughout the whole world even to
the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and from their
disciples the faith in one God, the Father Almighty . . . and in one
Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who became flesh for our salvation; and in
the Holy Spirit

Irenaeus, before 200 AD

And at the same time the mystery of the oikonomia is safeguarded, for
the unity is distributed in a TRINITY. Placed in order, the three are
the Father, Son, and Spirit. They are three, however, not in condition,
but in degree; not in being, but in form; not in power, but in kind; of
one being, however, and one condition and one power, because he is one
God of whom degrees and forms and kinds are taken into account in the
name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit"

Tertullian "Against Praxeas" early 200s AD

For Scripture as much announces Christ AS ALSO GOD, as it announces God
himself as man. It has as much described Jesus Christ to be man, as
moreover it has also described Christ the Lord to be God. Because it
does not set forth him to be the Son of God only, but also the son of
man; nor does it only say, the son of man, but it has also been
accustomed to speak of him as the Son of God. So that being of both, he
is both, lest if he should be one only, he could not be the other. For
as nature itself has prescribed that he must be believed to be a man who
is of man, so the same nature prescribes also that he must be believed
to be God who is of God. . . . Let them, therefore, who read that Jesus
Christ the son of man is man, read also that this same Jesus is called
also God and the Son of God"

Novatian, Treatise on the Trinity 11 235 AD

And now the capstone to Kupp's historial and TEXTUAL illiteracy:

The Lord says: 'I and the Father are one.' And again of the Father and
Son and the Holy Spirit it is written: 'And these three are one'.
Cyprian --Treatise 1 on the unity of the Catholic Church, chapter 6,
early 3rd century, PROVING THE LEGITIMACY OF THE COMMA JOHANNEUM KUPP
(and other historical illiterates) SAY IS A FRAUD.


3. The minister of Satan will also teach "ANOTHER GOSPEL."

Does Donna Kupp uphold the CHRISTIAN gospel? We've already seen she
denies and perverts the nature of Jesus Himself and the precious Holy
Spirit. But what is her actual gospel message? She talks about
obedience, and making Jesus Lord...but what does she really believe
about sin, justification, and sanctification? Does she ever lay out her
beliefs in clear language so the body of Christ can see and judge
whether she is or is not a fellow believer?

Yes!
To be saved is the first step in the process of salvation. Those who
are saved do not have eternal life -
Did you get that? THOSE WHO ARE SAVED ___DO NOT___HAVE ETERNAL LIFE!!!

LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

jn 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, HATH eternal life;
and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name
of the Son of God; that YE MAY KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that
ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of
yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
"If one who is born of God has truly repented of committing sin
(chosen to cease from sin) and then deliberately commits sin he has
despised the Holy Spirit, just as the OT the Israelites despised the
Law of God. It is blasphemy!"
"When we are converted all past sins are forgiven. After a person is
born-again, only sins of ignorance are forgiven. If a person sins
with knowledge and intent after that time, they have blasphemed
the Holy Spirit and there is no more sacrifice for sin. See Hebrews
6:1-8; Hebrews 10:26-31."
LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves
are ALSO FOUND SINNERS, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God
forbid.

Apparently, paul understood that even those justified in Christ STILL
SINNED!

Are we sure? Well, let's again test the doctrine of donna kupp by Paul's
own words, written in the last months of his life:

1 tim 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation,
that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I AM
CHIEF.

Wait a minute--I thought Donna said any Christian who willingly commits
even ONE SIN is eternally damned!

Apparently, paul did not realize this when he acknowledged he was the
WORST of sinners in 67 AD when he wrote this, 30+ years after finding
Christ! Thus, he must have been guilty of blaspheming the spirit
according to false teachers harold and donna kupp

What else did Paul have to say about whether Christians do or do not
commit sin in romans 7?

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing:
for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I
find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: BUT THE EVIL WHICH I WOULD NOT,
____THAT I DO___.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin
that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with
me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my
mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my
members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this
death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I
myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Does THAT sound like a man who has reached the state of sinless
perfection like Donna Kupp, who claims any sin she commits is 100%
accidental and unintentional??????

And this is her ultimate blasphemy regarding the blood of Christ...
Blood of Christ covers: 1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light,
as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the
blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. (Only sins
of ignorance)
Notice how donna kupp added the words "Only sins of ignorance" to
pervert John's words? Just as she did with the powerful passage in John
1:1, she rejects the message and inserts her own heretical words flat
out CONTRADICTING what was actually written! John says Christ's blood
cleanses us from ALL sin; Donna adds words to change it to all
UNINTENTIONAL sins, making the blood of Christ LIMITED in its ability to
atone for sin.

Kupp also has missed what Jesus said about how imperfect His followers
will always be:

Luke 4:4 And FORGIVE US OUR SINS; for we also forgive every one that is
indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from
evil.

Meanwhile, THIS is God's true message of salvation:

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become
the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

And while Donna Kupp blasphemes the gospel by claiming we keep--and
actually earn--our salvation through keeping the 10 commandments
perfectly, here is what the SCRIPTURE says about how we stay in right
standing security with God:

1 peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a
lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not
away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 WHO ARE KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD __THROUGH FAITH__ UNTO SALVATION
ready to be revealed in the last time.

So now we see her "gospel" IS NOT the gospel of the New testament. It is
a false gospel that...

A. Requires Bible verses to be rewritten in a heretical manner.
B. Requires adding a clarification to Scripture that TOTALLY overturns
what the Scripture actually SAYS.
C. Must deny the deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit.
D. Requires remaining in a state of salvation by keeping the 10
commandments PERFECTLY, or else the person is now damned without
possibility of repentance.
E. Blasphemes and limits the atoning power of Christ's blood to
"Only sins of ignorance."


4. As we noted, Paul says the MINISTER OF SATAN will actually appear to
be a MINISTER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS! That is what makes them so deceptive.
They are serpents in the guise of sheep, preaching righteous living and
'keeping God's holy law' while in their hearts is satan himself, drawing
people away from TRUE righteousness, to a perverted notion of it based
on keeping commandments!

Take a look at Donna Kupp's deceptive posts, including this one. Every
one touts the keeping of biblical commandments, threatens people with
damnation for failing to keep biblical commandments, and threatenes them
with damnation if anyone should ever--EVEN ONE TIME--willingly BREAK a
biblical commandment.

So Kupp APPEARS to be preaching the righteousness of 'keeping God's holy
commandments'...yet she does it in a way that is an UTTER PERVERSION of
the gospel of grace, and comes right from the mouth of satan speaking
good things, and making her LOOK like a minister of righetousness.

So, summing it up, Paul says that a minister of satan will...

Preach another Jesus...
Preach under another spirit...
Preach a different gospel...
While appearing to be a minister of righteousness while doing so!

I believe Donna Kupp meets ALL FOUR CRITERIA.

Based on the totality of her teachings, I see no conclusion other than
that the "Jesus" she follows is a demon spirit, and the "Yahweh" she
speaks for is actually SATAN.


I am dead to the law by the crucified body of Christ. Are you?
dolf
2012-05-30 21:32:56 UTC
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Do you know what that means Ike?

About the war in Iraq?

About the war in Afghanistan?

About the second World War?

Mr Peter Bowditch has a lot to answer for.

From dust he has come and to dust he will return.
Post by dolf
Post by dolf
"Did u pee on the Eternal Flame, yet again Dufus?"
Mr Peter Bowditch is as a person of British decent who is engaged
in racial, sexual and religious vilification of our Constitutional
Rights.
And I am most adamant about eventually bringing that fascist cunt
to his knees in showing a proper respect.
Dolt - please fuck off.
<snip evidence of insanity>
Post by dolf
"Dolf the dolt fails Turing test" [BARRY OGRADY]
Let me repeat it for you Barry: "Irish dogs such as Barry OGRADY
make ANZAC day a day to forget!"
...said the fool relying on Babylonian-originating Kabbalist
teachings.
Oh no Ike, I make no dependency on an indestructible atom as a geometric
construction and usage of manufactured spacial overlay:

- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/tree.gif
- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/yetziratic_wheel.png

As any other legislative obligations enacted and given assent to by any
particular dispensation {ie. a system of order, government, or
organization of a nation, community, etc., especially as existing at a
particular time} of governance having power to rule as enumerated within
its Kabbalistic systemic conception by the Theory of Number (the Decade)
as: #1 - KETHER (Crown) to #10 - MALKUTH (Kingdom).

I don't even make a dependency on the emanation of MAGIC SQUARE #0 CE as
HETEROS (MALE/FEMALE MARRIAGE -- WHAT IS SIN & WICKEDNESS?) autonomic
transformative prototype and symbolic associator to the series #15 CE,
#34 CE, #65 CE, #111 CE, #175 CE, #260 CE, #369 CE ... #2000 Y2K

I get the dispensational basis of governance shown above by memetic
specific colour attributions {ie. vBronze: #69, vPurple: #9, vRed: #32,
vBlue: #20, vOrange: #61, vGreen: #73, vYellow: #35, vCyan: #58, vCoral:
#41} accompanying the conception of SEPTET MAGIC SQUARES which provides
an equitable distribution of NUMBER and MEMETIC NATURAL PROCESS OF ORDER
& CHANGE AS “CHAD” GOVERNANCE

So, summing it up, Paul says that a minister of satan will...

Preach another Jesus...
Preach under another spirit...
Preach a different gospel...
While appearing to be a minister of righteousness while doing so!

I believe Vince Garcia and the Roman Catholic Chuch meets ALL FOUR CRITERIA.

Based on the totality of their teachings, I see no conclusion other than
that the "Jesus" they follow is a demon spirit, and the "Yahweh" they
speaks for is actually SATAN.

I am dead to the law by the crucified body of Christ. Are you?

The Catholic Fascist Voice in Our Country is going to perish and will no
longer be heard.

Did you like the earthquake in Parma, Italy? The bins weren't in
disarray at least.

dolf (0822 hrs 20120529): "The Garbage collectors failed to empty my
bins correctly. Left them in a disarray and physically checked them for
compliance before emptying them.

Obviously this is related to my past complaint about their
non-participation in ANZAC day.

שלא
lo'-not (H3808): #331 = #300, #30, #1

1) not, no
1a) not (with verb - absolute prohibition)
1b) not (with modifier - negation)
1c) nothing (subst)
1d) without (with particle)
1e) before (of time)

- http://www.grapple369.com/grapple.html?zen:3,row:5,col:7

Waste Pariah Dogs & Forgotten Garbage (Butcher Paper & Foam) by a Lone
Gum Tree @ Fitzroy Street, Sale

טבחת
tabach-kill (H2873): #419 = #9, #2, #8, #400

1) to slaughter, slay, butcher, kill ruthlessly
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to slaughter, butcher
1a2) to slay, kill ruthlessly (fig.)

Should any further disparity as preferential service be noted, a legal
claim will be made against you."

Just yesterday, I said, the Catholic (Italian) fascist dogs don't seem
interested in my ANZAC Day miracle:

Where I read out the following in association to a mathematical model
and biblical text as substance of belief and an earthquake occurred in
the Tamar River area of Tasmania, killing one miner.

- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/nous.gif

“We are not ANZACs, We have done nobler deeds than they, Of which you
know nothing. We are not ANZACs because Australians subject us to
Religious persecution. We are not ANZACs because you deny us fair
Justice. We are not ANZACs because you think your race is better than
ours. We are not ANZACs because you deny us Community and Equal
Opportunity. O God Lord of retribution, LORD, God, Lord of retribution,
shine forth. Rise up O judge of the earth, and render an evil recompense
to the proud. How long will the wicked dwell in error? That pour out and
speak blasphemy, all those who deal falsely utter words of shame. They
crush your people. O LORD, and impoverish your inheritance. They kill
the widow and the sojourner and murder the orphans.

And they say, ‘The LORD does not see, and the God of Jacob does not pay
heed.’” [© 2004 The Order of Saint Benedict, Aramaic Targum of Psalm 94:1-7]

“We have Jesus on the cross
Your cold love put him there.
What is now your human loss?
Forever gone and despair.”

- http://www.grapple369.com/Being_files/crucified.gif

As an authoritative statement of fact about one’s own religious belief
as a substance which supersedes and is sovereign to your own unbelief or
disbelief as the belief (accompanying ritual practice) may be such as
Roman Catholicism. We seem to have Catholic et al managing and
disrupting Internet based conversations for years so as to prevent the
fostering of any viable alternative (as degree of belief) to Catholic
dogma as their disbelief in blasphemy which is the lack any real and
tangible Christian identity as unbelief.

I joked with him about what would likely to have happened yesterday and
whether I would have been involuntarily sectioned, if they had known,
that my singular intention was to effect a disdainful brutalisation of
them by the slaughter of the nuns who own the shop--And I proudly
expressed the view of its anticipated effectiveness, in being for them
an especially enhanced and grievous reality by virtue of the fact that
the Catholic nuns live within a worldview as delusional claim to
superiority, where they mistakenly believe there is no verity and surety
greater to their own belief. As they simply have no awareness of
something much greater than them. It therefore has the very real
capability of manifesting a most pronounced distress as uncontrolled
anxieties and palpitations. A loss of bodily function and breathing
control, an incapacity of speech and most probably resulting in death,
as my intentioned act of a most discomforting awareness of a loss of
soul. A judgement and revenge made against them. What do you think is
implied by the claim that I would effect a collapse and forfeiture by
the Catholic Religious Order, who have no remaining legitimacy within
Australian life?

I described to him, my well intentioned purpose, which I conveyed before
even beginning the 3 hrs of pleading my own cause of liberty with the
psychiatrists yesterday. I had sought to protect them (purposefully left
in draft disposition in that specific regard) in relation to the
mechanics of the document. And described it’s capability for manifesting
trauma as notionally equivalent to getting on the cross with Jesus. And
explained to them that whilst no harm was being intentioned towards
them. That should their sensibilities be moved to an empathy with my
representations, they should clearly convey their free accept of it. The
course of my presentation, would then focus on how the methodology, as
recourse to the habitual use of obstructions, which move one towards the
concealment of any intentioned process and instead having a reliance
upon scurrilous distortions of any immediacy and capability for threat
for actuality, has a mitigating effect on the permissibility of
authority under the legislation.

At one point I brought to their attention, the expressed need to avoid
the risky action of reading and consuming the document at too rapid and
careless rate. As you may unnecessarily enter into a painful anxious
state of fear which rendered them incapable of speech. That I was
responding to the outstanding matter of psychiatrist Peter Sternhell’s
slanderous characterisations of the substantial reality, vital
effectiveness and the substance of my own religious belief. The
improper, immodest and blasphemous characterisation by them, as being
irrational and delusional was often repeated without substantiation by
Dr. Meredith Stone (and I have seen her with child). To whom I have also
intentioned to effect a similar retaliation against those persons, as a
consequence to their slanderous, false and haughty characterisations of
me and my belief as delusional and as cause for their sado-masochistic
perversity to which I was then subject to their pleasure and the
pretence as beneficial claim of a therapeutic process. In having
furnished statements and these documents, in substantiation of my legal
entitlements and claim against Saint Vincent’s Hospital, theirs
similarly, is now a requirement as an accord with immediacy and a
priority towards an unequivocal awareness, of their obligation which is
without any further grounds for delay, as a requirement for them to
provide an accountability for their actions and in their absence any
credibility as lawful criteria to provide an apology and restitution for
their past and continuing persecutions. And they will afford me an
appropriate and sovereign dignity in the acknowledgement of the
superiority and correctness of my substantial claim to Christian belief
and over that which was previously claimed of Roman Catholic belief.

That until they all expire, every remaining Roman Catholic, from this
time forward will afford to me an appropriate dignity as my entitlement
which is attained by the sovereign basis of my substantiated claim to
Christian belief and identity--such recognition of my superiority over
the Roman Catholic Church and its fraudulent claims to Christian
identity is to be accompanied by an appropriate gesturing as bowing in
respect of my dignity and a verbalisation which acknowledges the majesty
of my triumphantism over you all.

On 29/05/12 9:17 PM, vince garcia wrote:
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#20 / ***@zen: 5, row: 3, col: 3, nous: 7 [Super: #397 / #46 -
Guiding Contentment, Moderation of Desire; I-Ching: H1 - Creative
Principle/Heaven; Tetra: 37 - Purity, Ego: #403 / #7 - Intentional
Reversal, Dimming Radiance; I-Ching: H12 - Stagnation; Tetra: 56 -
Closed Mouth] {Transforming Nature {DOUBLE: Form of Nature {Autonomous
Nature}}}

In relation to this notion of The Decade is the meaning of Yom Kippur as
a ritual of nullification held over a 10 day period commencing a new
Moon on 18 September 2001 (as my particular interest for synchronising
the centre of the Grapple Temporal / Noumenal Reality for a 5 day period
being #41 on 13 September 2001 as a centrifugal model comprising septet
#369 magic squares with the solar / lunar chronological cycle and
rational representation of PI / ENNEAD) and the Dead Sea Scroll
chronological principle which is a cosmological straight line--hence
transcendent--in having a starting point on the Equinox of Wednesday 20
March 1996 with a new Moon on Thursday 21 March for a base 7 Numbering
system intrinsic to the cosmogony as rational representation of PI.

In that for 3 x 364 days = 1092 days there was a lunar/solar comparison
of 3 x 354 lunar years + 30 days = 1092 days. There are in a cycle of 5
x 364 days + 182 days (as a 1/2 cycle) two fragments in the Dead Sea
Scroll relics related to the 1st day of the 7th solar month as occurring
on 12 September 2001 and the 21st priestly course starting on Sunday 16
September 2001 which fragment also brings together an association of the
solar and lunar cycles which appear to have been a readily observable
phenomenon.

In that this has according to the Dead Sea Scrolls, a reprise in a 294 x
364 day years as 6 Jubilees or 293 x 365.2423 days (just short of the
tropical years, but technologically better than the Julian calendar of
365.25 days instigated in 45 BCE and reformed in 1582 CE (1751 CE in
British Empire) by the Gregorian calendar reforms due to an
intercalation error resulting in a lost of synchronicity comprising a
magnitude loss of one day every 128 years. This forms the basis for
arguing a metaphysical and cosmological origin of language as 22
elements of the Hebrew letters which is otherwise shown geometrically as
an indestructible object (atom) in the association of the 10 as Decade
(as Greek and Ennead as Egyptian notions) and counts (number) and the 22
letters as 3 horizontal (Mother letters), 7 vertical lines (Double
letters) and 12 diagonal lines (Single letters):


Kabbalistic Tree of Life
ATZILUTH {1st as “World of Emanation” also known as Olam Atzilut, עולם
אצילות in Hebrew}
BRIYAH {2nd as “World of Creation” also known as Olam Briyah, עולם בריאה
in Hebrew}
YETZIRAH {3rd as “World of Formation” also known as Olam Yetsirah, עולם
יצירה in Hebrew}
ASSIYAH {4th as “World of Action” also known as Olam Asiyah, עולם עשיה
in Hebrew}

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- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/yetziratic_wheel.png

This is Chaldean / Babylonian in Origins: Hebrew letters as described in
the “Sefer Yetzirah”

YETZIRAH as in “Making" is as opposed to BRIYAH as in "Creating"
Actually taking whatever matter that was created in the BRIYAH and
shaping it into the basic elements.

It is also possible to divide the number of days in 400 years in the
Gregorian calendar reforms as 146,097 days by 7 and that when made
divisible by 22 to obtain the remainder, and to arrange the Hebrew
letters in a pattern which has a remainder of #13 as being in the middle
of the Chinese 2 BCE published DAO TE CHING / I CHING division of the
year into 364.5 days and the Jewish Kabbalah equivalent which deployed a
magic square of #369 having a distinct mathematical property at centre
of #41 for the equivalent date of 13 September.

#0 MOD 22 = 22 [#TAU / #400] as 4000 BCE
#400 MOD 22 = 17 [#PE / #80]
#800 MOD 22 = 12 [#LAMED / #30]
#1200 MOD 22 = 7 [#ZAYIN / #7]
#1600 MOD 22 = 2 [#BETH / #2]
#2000 MOD 22 = 19 [#QOPH / #100]
#2400 MOD 22 = 14 [#NUN / #50]
#2800 MOD 22 = 9 [#TETH / #9]
#3200 MOD 22 = 4 [#DALETH / #4]
#3600 MOD 22 = 21 [#SHIN / #300]
#4000 MOD 22 = 16 [#'AYIN / #70] = #0 CE as HETEROS (MALE/FEMALE
MARRIAGE -- WHAT IS SIN & WICKEDNESS?) autonomic transformative
prototype and symbolic associator to the series #15 CE, #34 CE, #65 CE,
#111 CE, #175 CE, #260 CE, #369 CE ... #2000 Y2K
#4400 MOD 22 = 11 [#KAF / #20] = #400 CE
#4800 MOD 22 = 6 [#VAV / #6] = #800 CE
#5200 MOD 22 = 1 [#ALEPH / #1] = #1200 CE
#5600 MOD 22 = 18 [#TSADE / #90] = #1600 CE
#6000 MOD 22 = 13 [#MEM / #40] = #2000 Y2K / Equinox of DATE(1996,3,20)
+ (5 * 364) + 182 days = Wednesday DATE(2001,9,12) with Equinox of
Saturday DATE(2001,9,23) commencing the Sabbath year of 'oth cycle

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#6400 MOD 22 = 8 [#CHET / #8]
#6800 MOD 22 = 3 [#GIMEL / #3]
#7200 MOD 22 = 20 [#RESH / #200]
#7600 MOD 22 = 15 [#SAMEK / #60]
#8000 MOD 22 = 10 [#YOD / #10]
#8400 MOD 22 = 5 [#HE / #5]
#8800 MOD 22 = 22 [#TAU / #400] as 8800 CE

In many instances, the Torah also uses words and phrases in ways that
cannot be understood in their literal sense. There are a number of very
obvious examples of this in the narrative of the Creation, for the
metaphysical events that took place at that time were far removed from
the natural order of the world we know today. They could not have been
accurately described in ways that we can understand, nor in language
that we can relate to. For example, the Torah tells us how God brought
the world into being through speech, when in fact He created the world
through a form of thought. When the Torah describes God's thought
process as speech, it makes it easier for us to grasp the idea on our
own level. [Copyright © 2001 by Rabbi Daniel Travis and www.Torah.org]

dolf: “Fascist Dogs BroilJAB & Uergil discuss their creation denial!”

BroilJAB (***@wmconnect.com): “The deviant creationists twist
and turn, twist the words of the faithful.

Sad it is to see them like this.”

Uergil (***@uer.net): “If there is any damnation, it is the nation
creationists inhabit.”

dolf: “Vurgil or Uirgit? (***@arg.erg / ***@uirgil.ur)

Or is it now Uergil?

Creationist denial has its roots in German political theatre.

Numerological and mystic speculation was especially rife amongst German
Romantics and Naturphilosophien during the nineteenth century and grew
out of ancient teleological speculations concerning the harmonious
distribution of the heavenly bodies. Such speculation was by no means
confined to the celestial motions; in 1818 the Kantian mineralogist
Christian Weiss even argues for a link between aspects of
rhombic-dodecahedral crystal structure and the musical scale of tones!
However, such flights of imaginative fancy generally had little impact
upon the work of serious scientists; with one notable exception.

In 1766 Johann Daniel Titius von Wittenberg was preparing a German
translation of Charles Bonnet’s Contemplation de la Nature. To the
section on planetary motions he added a now famous footnote pointing out
that the radii of all the planetary orbits can be generated by the
following simple algorithm, where r is measured in astronomical units (1
AU = 1.496 x 1013 cm):


rn = 0.4 + 0.3 x 2n; n = 0,1,2…


This formula provided a striking approximation for the distance from the
Sun to the six then-known planets: Mercury {Measured: 0.39, Predicted:
0.4}, Venus {Measured: 0.72, Predicted: 0.7}, Earth {Measured: 1.00,
Predicted: 1.0}, Mars {Measured: 1.52, Predicted: 1.6}, Jupiter
{Measured: 5.20, Predicted: 5.2}, Saturn {Measured: 9.55, Predicted:
10.0}. Their measured distances from the Sun at the time of the Law’s
inception are indicated together with Titius’ predictions. [Rediscovery
of the Anthropic Principle, John Barrow & Frank Tipler, The Anthropic
Cosmological Principle, © 1996, p 221]

There is no more opportunity for repentance--and neither for forgiveness.

To hell with you!”

#21 / ***@zen: 5, row: 3, col: 7, nous: 67 [Super: #313 / #24 -
Important Distinctions, Trouble from Indulgence; I-Ching: H5 - Delay;
Tetra: 18 - Waiting, Ego: #462 / #67 - Three Treasures; I-Ching: H10 -
Tread Carefully; Tetra: 48 - Ritual] {Autonomous Nature {MOTHER: Scales
of Liability}}

"dolf" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:***@hotmail.com...
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Post by dolf
More bankrupt apologies from catholic dogs.
They can be reqarded as equally fascist because they wanted the same
crown and control of marriage as the basis for global governance.
Post by dolf
I'm still waiting for the Catholic nuns of Saint Vincent's
Hospital to give an accountability for their persecution as
racial, sexual and religious vilification of me.
You deserved it.
vince garcia
2012-05-30 21:35:18 UTC
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As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

--Apostle paul
A thousand may pray until their knees are bloody, but if they are not
keeping His Commandments, God says their prayer is an abomination to
Him. Yet the prayers of one one man who abides in Him can change the
"The effectual fervent prayer of a RIGHTEOUS man availeth much."
James 5:16 KJV
“Little children, let no one deceive you. He who DOES RIGHT is
RIGHTEOUS.” 1 John 3:7 RSV
Sounds good, doesn't it? SOUNDS like something a believer in Christ
might really say.

But what is the truth behind what Donna Kupp teaches and believes?

How can we know if this woman is of God or actually a false teacher when
she speaks?

Paul gives us the answer:

2 cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve
through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the
simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not
preached, or if ye receive ANOTHER SPIRIT, which ye have not received,
or ANOTHER GOSPEL, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with
him.

2 cor 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming
themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of
light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed
as the MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS; whose end shall be according to their
works.

Donna Kupp, for those who do not know, is a woman preaching a false
gospel with a false Christ that denies virtually every possible
essential of the Christian faith.

Note here paul's words about false teachers: they will actually be
"MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS"!!!!! Not antinomians, teaching lawlessness
and freedom to sin, but MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, teaching an
apparently good-sounding Gospel that is actually ANOTHER GOSPEL about
ANOTHER JESUS!

Let us test Donna Kupp's own words against the doctrines of
the New Testament and the Christian church, and see if we can determine
whether she is a servant of God, or actually a minister of Satan!

1. First, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach "ANOTHER
JESUS."

Is Donna Kupp's Jesus YOUR Jesus? Is her Jesus the Jesus of
Scripture?

While Donna Kupp just made a number of statements sound like something a
real Christian might make, we cannot make a judgment whether she is or
is not a true Christian based only on what she just posted here. We must
determine if she really teaches the same Jesus REAL Christians follow by
looking at statements she, herself, has made about Christ in the past,
that she may not throw out on a regular basis, because she knows it
reveals what she REALLY thinks about Christ.

So what does she actually say about the Jesus she follows, and
supposedly places faith in?

This...
"In the beginning was Jesus
and Jesus was with THE RULER,
and Jesus was Ruler.
The same was in the beginning with THE RULER."
John was teaching that Jesus was our Ruler (our theos) and that
Jesus was with the Father from the very beginning of creation.
(Not that Jesus was one third of some mysterious and mind-
boggling "Trinity" that no one had ever heard of.)
We can stop right there. Donna Kupp, denying the deity of Christ,
rewrites the Gospel of John in a manner that affirms that denial, so we
can either change all our Bibles to her new trenslation that "proves"
Jesus is NOT fully God, but some other sort of created lesser being, or
we can allow the sacred words of the apostle John to stand AS WRITTEN!

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the WORD
WAS GOD.

So we see her Jesus is ANOTHER JESUS that orthodox Protestants and
Evangelicals (and Catholics) DO NOT believe in.

For US, Jesus is God in flesh, fully God and fully man, and 2nd Person
of the Trinity she goes on to mock and deny.


2. Next, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach or operate under
a "DIFFERENT SPIRIT".

Does Donna Kupp teach and receive anoining by the same Holy Spirit that
REAL Christians follow?

Judge for yourself by her own words.
The concept that the Holy Spirit is God is based on a single verse in
Acts (5:3) where it says that Ananias lied to the Holy Spirit - and
later it says that he lied to God.
To conclude that the Holy Spirit is God on the basis of those verses is
merely an interpretation which adds to what is actually written. Since
the Spirit is the means of communciation between God and man, if you
lie to the Spirit you are in effect lying to God. Are there any verses
which actually say that the Holy Spirit is God?
Not one!
Jesus did not teach the Trinity, the apostles did not teach it, and it
was not taught by church leaders for three hundred years after the
death of Christ.
All REAL Christians believe not only in the deity of Christ, but also
the Godhood of the Holy Spirit. As we see from her own words, Donna
Kupp denies those two essentials of the faith, and proclaims the Holy
Spirit is only some nebulous "means of communication between God and
man"

So now we see she has fulfilled the SECOND warning of Paul--she has
A DIFFERENT SPIRIT than REAL Christians do.

By the way, her LIES about the history of the Trinity are instantly
refutable:

The deity of Christ was EXPLICITLY taught by Ignatius in the early 2nd
century

"To the Church at Ephesus in Asia . . . chosen through true suffering by
the will of the Father in Jesus Christ our God"
"FOR OUR GOD, Jesus Christ, was conceived by Mary in accord with God�s
plan: of the seed of David, it is true, but also of the Holy Spirit"

Letter to the Ephesians 1 110 AD
There is no record of the co-equal, co-eternal, three-in-one God
being taught by a single one of the early church fathers. It
was not a part of Christian teaching until it was formulated by the
Second Ecumenical Council at Constantinople in 381.A.D.
"No record"?


For the Church, although dispersed throughout the whole world even to
the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and from their
disciples the faith in one God, the Father Almighty . . . and in one
Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who became flesh for our salvation; and in
the Holy Spirit

Irenaeus, before 200 AD

And at the same time the mystery of the oikonomia is safeguarded, for
the unity is distributed in a TRINITY. Placed in order, the three are
the Father, Son, and Spirit. They are three, however, not in condition,
but in degree; not in being, but in form; not in power, but in kind; of
one being, however, and one condition and one power, because he is one
God of whom degrees and forms and kinds are taken into account in the
name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit"

Tertullian "Against Praxeas" early 200s AD

For Scripture as much announces Christ AS ALSO GOD, as it announces God
himself as man. It has as much described Jesus Christ to be man, as
moreover it has also described Christ the Lord to be God. Because it
does not set forth him to be the Son of God only, but also the son of
man; nor does it only say, the son of man, but it has also been
accustomed to speak of him as the Son of God. So that being of both, he
is both, lest if he should be one only, he could not be the other. For
as nature itself has prescribed that he must be believed to be a man who
is of man, so the same nature prescribes also that he must be believed
to be God who is of God. . . . Let them, therefore, who read that Jesus
Christ the son of man is man, read also that this same Jesus is called
also God and the Son of God"

Novatian, Treatise on the Trinity 11 235 AD

And now the capstone to Kupp's historial and TEXTUAL illiteracy:

The Lord says: 'I and the Father are one.' And again of the Father and
Son and the Holy Spirit it is written: 'And these three are one'.
Cyprian --Treatise 1 on the unity of the Catholic Church, chapter 6,
early 3rd century, PROVING THE LEGITIMACY OF THE COMMA JOHANNEUM KUPP
(and other historical illiterates) SAY IS A FRAUD.


3. The minister of Satan will also teach "ANOTHER GOSPEL."

Does Donna Kupp uphold the CHRISTIAN gospel? We've already seen she
denies and perverts the nature of Jesus Himself and the precious Holy
Spirit. But what is her actual gospel message? She talks about
obedience, and making Jesus Lord...but what does she really believe
about sin, justification, and sanctification? Does she ever lay out her
beliefs in clear language so the body of Christ can see and judge
whether she is or is not a fellow believer?

Yes!
To be saved is the first step in the process of salvation. Those who
are saved do not have eternal life -
Did you get that? THOSE WHO ARE SAVED ___DO NOT___HAVE ETERNAL LIFE!!!

LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

jn 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, HATH eternal life;
and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name
of the Son of God; that YE MAY KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that
ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of
yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
"If one who is born of God has truly repented of committing sin
(chosen to cease from sin) and then deliberately commits sin he has
despised the Holy Spirit, just as the OT the Israelites despised the
Law of God. It is blasphemy!"
"When we are converted all past sins are forgiven. After a person is
born-again, only sins of ignorance are forgiven. If a person sins
with knowledge and intent after that time, they have blasphemed
the Holy Spirit and there is no more sacrifice for sin. See Hebrews
6:1-8; Hebrews 10:26-31."
LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves
are ALSO FOUND SINNERS, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God
forbid.

Apparently, paul understood that even those justified in Christ STILL
SINNED!

Are we sure? Well, let's again test the doctrine of donna kupp by Paul's
own words, written in the last months of his life:

1 tim 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation,
that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I AM
CHIEF.

Wait a minute--I thought Donna said any Christian who willingly commits
even ONE SIN is eternally damned!

Apparently, paul did not realize this when he acknowledged he was the
WORST of sinners in 67 AD when he wrote this, 30+ years after finding
Christ! Thus, he must have been guilty of blaspheming the spirit
according to false teachers harold and donna kupp

What else did Paul have to say about whether Christians do or do not
commit sin in romans 7?

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing:
for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I
find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: BUT THE EVIL WHICH I WOULD NOT,
____THAT I DO___.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin
that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with
me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my
mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my
members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this
death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I
myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Does THAT sound like a man who has reached the state of sinless
perfection like Donna Kupp, who claims any sin she commits is 100%
accidental and unintentional??????

And this is her ultimate blasphemy regarding the blood of Christ...
Blood of Christ covers: 1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light,
as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the
blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. (Only sins
of ignorance)
Notice how donna kupp added the words "Only sins of ignorance" to
pervert John's words? Just as she did with the powerful passage in John
1:1, she rejects the message and inserts her own heretical words flat
out CONTRADICTING what was actually written! John says Christ's blood
cleanses us from ALL sin; Donna adds words to change it to all
UNINTENTIONAL sins, making the blood of Christ LIMITED in its ability to
atone for sin.

Kupp also has missed what Jesus said about how imperfect His followers
will always be:

Luke 4:4 And FORGIVE US OUR SINS; for we also forgive every one that is
indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from
evil.

Meanwhile, THIS is God's true message of salvation:

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become
the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

And while Donna Kupp blasphemes the gospel by claiming we keep--and
actually earn--our salvation through keeping the 10 commandments
perfectly, here is what the SCRIPTURE says about how we stay in right
standing security with God:

1 peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a
lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not
away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 WHO ARE KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD __THROUGH FAITH__ UNTO SALVATION
ready to be revealed in the last time.

So now we see her "gospel" IS NOT the gospel of the New testament. It is
a false gospel that...

A. Requires Bible verses to be rewritten in a heretical manner.
B. Requires adding a clarification to Scripture that TOTALLY overturns
what the Scripture actually SAYS.
C. Must deny the deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit.
D. Requires remaining in a state of salvation by keeping the 10
commandments PERFECTLY, or else the person is now damned without
possibility of repentance.
E. Blasphemes and limits the atoning power of Christ's blood to
"Only sins of ignorance."


4. As we noted, Paul says the MINISTER OF SATAN will actually appear to
be a MINISTER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS! That is what makes them so deceptive.
They are serpents in the guise of sheep, preaching righteous living and
'keeping God's holy law' while in their hearts is satan himself, drawing
people away from TRUE righteousness, to a perverted notion of it based
on keeping commandments!

Take a look at Donna Kupp's deceptive posts, including this one. Every
one touts the keeping of biblical commandments, threatens people with
damnation for failing to keep biblical commandments, and threatenes them
with damnation if anyone should ever--EVEN ONE TIME--willingly BREAK a
biblical commandment.

So Kupp APPEARS to be preaching the righteousness of 'keeping God's holy
commandments'...yet she does it in a way that is an UTTER PERVERSION of
the gospel of grace, and comes right from the mouth of satan speaking
good things, and making her LOOK like a minister of righetousness.

So, summing it up, Paul says that a minister of satan will...

Preach another Jesus...
Preach under another spirit...
Preach a different gospel...
While appearing to be a minister of righteousness while doing so!

I believe Donna Kupp meets ALL FOUR CRITERIA.

Based on the totality of her teachings, I see no conclusion other than
that the "Jesus" she follows is a demon spirit, and the "Yahweh" she
speaks for is actually SATAN.


I am dead to the law by the crucified body of Christ. Are you?
dolf
2012-05-30 23:13:50 UTC
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The Catholic Fascist Voice in Our Country is going to perish and will no
longer be heard

Enjoying the Syrian Slaughter? You wait till you see what will happen in
Australia
Dear Aaron
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Do you know what that means Ike?

About the war in Iraq?

About the war in Afghanistan?

About the second World War?

Mr Peter Bowditch has a lot to answer for.

From dust he has come and to dust he will return.
Post by dolf
"Did u pee on the Eternal Flame, yet again Dufus?"
Mr Peter Bowditch is as a person of British decent who is engaged
in racial, sexual and religious vilification of our Constitutional
Rights.
And I am most adamant about eventually bringing that fascist cunt
to his knees in showing a proper respect.
Dolt - please fuck off.
<snip evidence of insanity>
Post by dolf
"Dolf the dolt fails Turing test" [BARRY OGRADY]
Let me repeat it for you Barry: "Irish dogs such as Barry OGRADY
make ANZAC day a day to forget!"
...said the fool relying on Babylonian-originating Kabbalist
teachings.
Oh no Ike, I make no dependency on an indestructible atom as a geometric
construction and usage of manufactured spacial overlay:

- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/tree.gif
- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/yetziratic_wheel.png

As any other legislative obligations enacted and given assent to by any
particular dispensation {ie. a system of order, government, or
organization of a nation, community, etc., especially as existing at a
particular time} of governance having power to rule as enumerated within
its Kabbalistic systemic conception by the Theory of Number (the Decade)
as: #1 - KETHER (Crown) to #10 - MALKUTH (Kingdom).

I don't even make a dependency on the emanation of MAGIC SQUARE #0 CE as
HETEROS (MALE/FEMALE MARRIAGE -- WHAT IS SIN & WICKEDNESS?) autonomic
transformative prototype and symbolic associator to the series #15 CE,
#34 CE, #65 CE, #111 CE, #175 CE, #260 CE, #369 CE ... #2000 Y2K

I get the dispensational basis of governance shown above by memetic
specific colour attributions {ie. vBronze: #69, vPurple: #9, vRed: #32,
vBlue: #20, vOrange: #61, vGreen: #73, vYellow: #35, vCyan: #58, vCoral:
#41} accompanying the conception of SEPTET MAGIC SQUARES which provides
an equitable distribution of NUMBER and MEMETIC NATURAL PROCESS OF ORDER
& CHANGE AS “CHAD” GOVERNANCE

So, summing it up, Paul says that a minister of satan will...

Preach another Jesus...
Preach under another spirit...
Preach a different gospel...
While appearing to be a minister of righteousness while doing so!

I believe Vince Garcia and the Roman Catholic Chuch meets ALL FOUR CRITERIA.

Based on the totality of their teachings, I see no conclusion other than
that the "Jesus" they follow is a demon spirit, and the "Yahweh" they
speaks for is actually SATAN.

I am dead to the law by the crucified body of Christ. Are you?

The Catholic Fascist Voice in Our Country is going to perish and will no
longer be heard.

Did you like the earthquake in Parma, Italy? The bins weren't in
disarray at least.

dolf (0822 hrs 20120529): "The Garbage collectors failed to empty my
bins correctly. Left them in a disarray and physically checked them for
compliance before emptying them.

Obviously this is related to my past complaint about their
non-participation in ANZAC day.

שלא
lo'-not (H3808): #331 = #300, #30, #1

1) not, no
1a) not (with verb - absolute prohibition)
1b) not (with modifier - negation)
1c) nothing (subst)
1d) without (with particle)
1e) before (of time)

- http://www.grapple369.com/grapple.html?zen:3,row:5,col:7

Waste Pariah Dogs & Forgotten Garbage (Butcher Paper & Foam) by a Lone
Gum Tree @ Fitzroy Street, Sale

טבחת
tabach-kill (H2873): #419 = #9, #2, #8, #400

1) to slaughter, slay, butcher, kill ruthlessly
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to slaughter, butcher
1a2) to slay, kill ruthlessly (fig.)

Should any further disparity as preferential service be noted, a legal
claim will be made against you."

Just yesterday, I said, the Catholic (Italian) fascist dogs don't seem
interested in my ANZAC Day miracle:

Where I read out the following in association to a mathematical model
and biblical text as substance of belief and an earthquake occurred in
the Tamar River area of Tasmania, killing one miner.

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“We are not ANZACs, We have done nobler deeds than they, Of which you
know nothing. We are not ANZACs because Australians subject us to
Religious persecution. We are not ANZACs because you deny us fair
Justice. We are not ANZACs because you think your race is better than
ours. We are not ANZACs because you deny us Community and Equal
Opportunity. O God Lord of retribution, LORD, God, Lord of retribution,
shine forth. Rise up O judge of the earth, and render an evil recompense
to the proud. How long will the wicked dwell in error? That pour out and
speak blasphemy, all those who deal falsely utter words of shame. They
crush your people. O LORD, and impoverish your inheritance. They kill
the widow and the sojourner and murder the orphans.

And they say, ‘The LORD does not see, and the God of Jacob does not pay
heed.’” [© 2004 The Order of Saint Benedict, Aramaic Targum of Psalm 94:1-7]

“We have Jesus on the cross
Your cold love put him there.
What is now your human loss?
Forever gone and despair.”

- http://www.grapple369.com/Being_files/crucified.gif

As an authoritative statement of fact about one’s own religious belief
as a substance which supersedes and is sovereign to your own unbelief or
disbelief as the belief (accompanying ritual practice) may be such as
Roman Catholicism. We seem to have Catholic et al managing and
disrupting Internet based conversations for years so as to prevent the
fostering of any viable alternative (as degree of belief) to Catholic
dogma as their disbelief in blasphemy which is the lack any real and
tangible Christian identity as unbelief.

I joked with him about what would likely to have happened yesterday and
whether I would have been involuntarily sectioned, if they had known,
that my singular intention was to effect a disdainful brutalisation of
them by the slaughter of the nuns who own the shop--And I proudly
expressed the view of its anticipated effectiveness, in being for them
an especially enhanced and grievous reality by virtue of the fact that
the Catholic nuns live within a worldview as delusional claim to
superiority, where they mistakenly believe there is no verity and surety
greater to their own belief. As they simply have no awareness of
something much greater than them. It therefore has the very real
capability of manifesting a most pronounced distress as uncontrolled
anxieties and palpitations. A loss of bodily function and breathing
control, an incapacity of speech and most probably resulting in death,
as my intentioned act of a most discomforting awareness of a loss of
soul. A judgement and revenge made against them. What do you think is
implied by the claim that I would effect a collapse and forfeiture by
the Catholic Religious Order, who have no remaining legitimacy within
Australian life?

I described to him, my well intentioned purpose, which I conveyed before
even beginning the 3 hrs of pleading my own cause of liberty with the
psychiatrists yesterday. I had sought to protect them (purposefully left
in draft disposition in that specific regard) in relation to the
mechanics of the document. And described it’s capability for manifesting
trauma as notionally equivalent to getting on the cross with Jesus. And
explained to them that whilst no harm was being intentioned towards
them. That should their sensibilities be moved to an empathy with my
representations, they should clearly convey their free accept of it. The
course of my presentation, would then focus on how the methodology, as
recourse to the habitual use of obstructions, which move one towards the
concealment of any intentioned process and instead having a reliance
upon scurrilous distortions of any immediacy and capability for threat
for actuality, has a mitigating effect on the permissibility of
authority under the legislation.

At one point I brought to their attention, the expressed need to avoid
the risky action of reading and consuming the document at too rapid and
careless rate. As you may unnecessarily enter into a painful anxious
state of fear which rendered them incapable of speech. That I was
responding to the outstanding matter of psychiatrist Peter Sternhell’s
slanderous characterisations of the substantial reality, vital
effectiveness and the substance of my own religious belief. The
improper, immodest and blasphemous characterisation by them, as being
irrational and delusional was often repeated without substantiation by
Dr. Meredith Stone (and I have seen her with child). To whom I have also
intentioned to effect a similar retaliation against those persons, as a
consequence to their slanderous, false and haughty characterisations of
me and my belief as delusional and as cause for their sado-masochistic
perversity to which I was then subject to their pleasure and the
pretence as beneficial claim of a therapeutic process. In having
furnished statements and these documents, in substantiation of my legal
entitlements and claim against Saint Vincent’s Hospital, theirs
similarly, is now a requirement as an accord with immediacy and a
priority towards an unequivocal awareness, of their obligation which is
without any further grounds for delay, as a requirement for them to
provide an accountability for their actions and in their absence any
credibility as lawful criteria to provide an apology and restitution for
their past and continuing persecutions. And they will afford me an
appropriate and sovereign dignity in the acknowledgement of the
superiority and correctness of my substantial claim to Christian belief
and over that which was previously claimed of Roman Catholic belief.

That until they all expire, every remaining Roman Catholic, from this
time forward will afford to me an appropriate dignity as my entitlement
which is attained by the sovereign basis of my substantiated claim to
Christian belief and identity--such recognition of my superiority over
the Roman Catholic Church and its fraudulent claims to Christian
identity is to be accompanied by an appropriate gesturing as bowing in
respect of my dignity and a verbalisation which acknowledges the majesty
of my triumphantism over you all.
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
--Apostle paul
Kupp also has missed what Jesus said about how imperfect His
Luke 4:4 And FORGIVE US OUR SINS; for we also forgive every one that
is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us
from evil.
John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to
And while Donna Kupp blasphemes the gospel by claiming we keep--and
actually earn--our salvation through keeping the 10 commandments
perfectly, here is what the SCRIPTURE says about how we stay in right
1 peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a
lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 To
an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not
away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 WHO ARE KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD
__THROUGH FAITH__ UNTO SALVATION ready to be revealed in the last
time.
So now we see her "gospel" IS NOT the gospel of the New testament.
It is a false gospel that...
A. Requires Bible verses to be rewritten in a heretical manner. B.
Requires adding a clarification to Scripture that TOTALLY overturns
what the Scripture actually SAYS. C. Must deny the deity of Christ
and the Holy Spirit. D. Requires remaining in a state of salvation
by keeping the 10 commandments PERFECTLY, or else the person is now
damned without possibility of repentance. E. Blasphemes and limits
the atoning power of Christ's blood to "Only sins of ignorance."
4. As we noted, Paul says the MINISTER OF SATAN will actually appear
to be a MINISTER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS! That is what makes them so
deceptive. They are serpents in the guise of sheep, preaching
righteous living and 'keeping God's holy law' while in their hearts
is satan himself, drawing people away from TRUE righteousness, to a
perverted notion of it based on keeping commandments!
Take a look at Donna Kupp's deceptive posts, including this one.
Every one touts the keeping of biblical commandments, threatens
people with damnation for failing to keep biblical commandments, and
threatenes them with damnation if anyone should ever--EVEN ONE
TIME--willingly BREAK a biblical commandment.
So Kupp APPEARS to be preaching the righteousness of 'keeping God's
holy commandments'...yet she does it in a way that is an UTTER
PERVERSION of the gospel of grace, and comes right from the mouth of
satan speaking good things, and making her LOOK like a minister of
righetousness.
So, summing it up, Paul says that a minister of satan will...
Preach another Jesus... Preach under another spirit... Preach a
different gospel... While appearing to be a minister of
righteousness while doing so!
I believe Donna Kupp meets ALL FOUR CRITERIA.
Based on the totality of her teachings, I see no conclusion other
than that the "Jesus" she follows is a demon spirit, and the
"Yahweh" she speaks for is actually SATAN.
I am dead to the law by the crucified body of Christ. Are you?
#20 / ***@zen: 5, row: 3, col: 3, nous: 7 [Super: #397 / #46 -
Guiding Contentment, Moderation of Desire; I-Ching: H1 - Creative
Principle/Heaven; Tetra: 37 - Purity, Ego: #403 / #7 - Intentional
Reversal, Dimming Radiance; I-Ching: H12 - Stagnation; Tetra: 56 -
Closed Mouth] {Transforming Nature {DOUBLE: Form of Nature {Autonomous
Nature}}}

In relation to this notion of The Decade is the meaning of Yom Kippur as
a ritual of nullification held over a 10 day period commencing a new
Moon on 18 September 2001 (as my particular interest for synchronising
the centre of the Grapple Temporal / Noumenal Reality for a 5 day period
being #41 on 13 September 2001 as a centrifugal model comprising septet
#369 magic squares with the solar / lunar chronological cycle and
rational representation of PI / ENNEAD) and the Dead Sea Scroll
chronological principle which is a cosmological straight line--hence
transcendent--in having a starting point on the Equinox of Wednesday 20
March 1996 with a new Moon on Thursday 21 March for a base 7 Numbering
system intrinsic to the cosmogony as rational representation of PI.

In that for 3 x 364 days = 1092 days there was a lunar/solar comparison
of 3 x 354 lunar years + 30 days = 1092 days. There are in a cycle of 5
x 364 days + 182 days (as a 1/2 cycle) two fragments in the Dead Sea
Scroll relics related to the 1st day of the 7th solar month as occurring
on 12 September 2001 and the 21st priestly course starting on Sunday 16
September 2001 which fragment also brings together an association of the
solar and lunar cycles which appear to have been a readily observable
phenomenon.

In that this has according to the Dead Sea Scrolls, a reprise in a 294 x
364 day years as 6 Jubilees or 293 x 365.2423 days (just short of the
tropical years, but technologically better than the Julian calendar of
365.25 days instigated in 45 BCE and reformed in 1582 CE (1751 CE in
British Empire) by the Gregorian calendar reforms due to an
intercalation error resulting in a lost of synchronicity comprising a
magnitude loss of one day every 128 years. This forms the basis for
arguing a metaphysical and cosmological origin of language as 22
elements of the Hebrew letters which is otherwise shown geometrically as
an indestructible object (atom) in the association of the 10 as Decade
(as Greek and Ennead as Egyptian notions) and counts (number) and the 22
letters as 3 horizontal (Mother letters), 7 vertical lines (Double
letters) and 12 diagonal lines (Single letters):


Kabbalistic Tree of Life
ATZILUTH {1st as “World of Emanation” also known as Olam Atzilut, עולם
אצילות in Hebrew}
BRIYAH {2nd as “World of Creation” also known as Olam Briyah, עולם בריאה
in Hebrew}
YETZIRAH {3rd as “World of Formation” also known as Olam Yetsirah, עולם
יצירה in Hebrew}
ASSIYAH {4th as “World of Action” also known as Olam Asiyah, עולם עשיה
in Hebrew}

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- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/yetziratic_wheel.png

This is Chaldean / Babylonian in Origins: Hebrew letters as described in
the “Sefer Yetzirah”

YETZIRAH as in “Making" is as opposed to BRIYAH as in "Creating"
Actually taking whatever matter that was created in the BRIYAH and
shaping it into the basic elements.

It is also possible to divide the number of days in 400 years in the
Gregorian calendar reforms as 146,097 days by 7 and that when made
divisible by 22 to obtain the remainder, and to arrange the Hebrew
letters in a pattern which has a remainder of #13 as being in the middle
of the Chinese 2 BCE published DAO TE CHING / I CHING division of the
year into 364.5 days and the Jewish Kabbalah equivalent which deployed a
magic square of #369 having a distinct mathematical property at centre
of #41 for the equivalent date of 13 September.

#0 MOD 22 = 22 [#TAU / #400] as 4000 BCE
#400 MOD 22 = 17 [#PE / #80]
#800 MOD 22 = 12 [#LAMED / #30]
#1200 MOD 22 = 7 [#ZAYIN / #7]
#1600 MOD 22 = 2 [#BETH / #2]
#2000 MOD 22 = 19 [#QOPH / #100]
#2400 MOD 22 = 14 [#NUN / #50]
#2800 MOD 22 = 9 [#TETH / #9]
#3200 MOD 22 = 4 [#DALETH / #4]
#3600 MOD 22 = 21 [#SHIN / #300]
#4000 MOD 22 = 16 [#'AYIN / #70] = #0 CE as HETEROS (MALE/FEMALE
MARRIAGE -- WHAT IS SIN & WICKEDNESS?) autonomic transformative
prototype and symbolic associator to the series #15 CE, #34 CE, #65 CE,
#111 CE, #175 CE, #260 CE, #369 CE ... #2000 Y2K
#4400 MOD 22 = 11 [#KAF / #20] = #400 CE
#4800 MOD 22 = 6 [#VAV / #6] = #800 CE
#5200 MOD 22 = 1 [#ALEPH / #1] = #1200 CE
#5600 MOD 22 = 18 [#TSADE / #90] = #1600 CE
#6000 MOD 22 = 13 [#MEM / #40] = #2000 Y2K / Equinox of DATE(1996,3,20)
+ (5 * 364) + 182 days = Wednesday DATE(2001,9,12) with Equinox of
Saturday DATE(2001,9,23) commencing the Sabbath year of 'oth cycle

- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/toth9.gif

#6400 MOD 22 = 8 [#CHET / #8]
#6800 MOD 22 = 3 [#GIMEL / #3]
#7200 MOD 22 = 20 [#RESH / #200]
#7600 MOD 22 = 15 [#SAMEK / #60]
#8000 MOD 22 = 10 [#YOD / #10]
#8400 MOD 22 = 5 [#HE / #5]
#8800 MOD 22 = 22 [#TAU / #400] as 8800 CE

In many instances, the Torah also uses words and phrases in ways that
cannot be understood in their literal sense. There are a number of very
obvious examples of this in the narrative of the Creation, for the
metaphysical events that took place at that time were far removed from
the natural order of the world we know today. They could not have been
accurately described in ways that we can understand, nor in language
that we can relate to. For example, the Torah tells us how God brought
the world into being through speech, when in fact He created the world
through a form of thought. When the Torah describes God's thought
process as speech, it makes it easier for us to grasp the idea on our
own level. [Copyright © 2001 by Rabbi Daniel Travis and www.Torah.org]

dolf: “Fascist Dogs BroilJAB & Uergil discuss their creation denial!”

BroilJAB (***@wmconnect.com): “The deviant creationists twist
and turn, twist the words of the faithful.

Sad it is to see them like this.”

Uergil (***@uer.net): “If there is any damnation, it is the nation
creationists inhabit.”

dolf: “Vurgil or Uirgit? (***@arg.erg / ***@uirgil.ur)

Or is it now Uergil?

Creationist denial has its roots in German political theatre.

Numerological and mystic speculation was especially rife amongst German
Romantics and Naturphilosophien during the nineteenth century and grew
out of ancient teleological speculations concerning the harmonious
distribution of the heavenly bodies. Such speculation was by no means
confined to the celestial motions; in 1818 the Kantian mineralogist
Christian Weiss even argues for a link between aspects of
rhombic-dodecahedral crystal structure and the musical scale of tones!
However, such flights of imaginative fancy generally had little impact
upon the work of serious scientists; with one notable exception.

In 1766 Johann Daniel Titius von Wittenberg was preparing a German
translation of Charles Bonnet’s Contemplation de la Nature. To the
section on planetary motions he added a now famous footnote pointing out
that the radii of all the planetary orbits can be generated by the
following simple algorithm, where r is measured in astronomical units (1
AU = 1.496 x 1013 cm):


rn = 0.4 + 0.3 x 2n; n = 0,1,2…


This formula provided a striking approximation for the distance from the
Sun to the six then-known planets: Mercury {Measured: 0.39, Predicted:
0.4}, Venus {Measured: 0.72, Predicted: 0.7}, Earth {Measured: 1.00,
Predicted: 1.0}, Mars {Measured: 1.52, Predicted: 1.6}, Jupiter
{Measured: 5.20, Predicted: 5.2}, Saturn {Measured: 9.55, Predicted:
10.0}. Their measured distances from the Sun at the time of the Law’s
inception are indicated together with Titius’ predictions. [Rediscovery
of the Anthropic Principle, John Barrow & Frank Tipler, The Anthropic
Cosmological Principle, © 1996, p 221]

There is no more opportunity for repentance--and neither for forgiveness.

To hell with you!”

#21 / ***@zen: 5, row: 3, col: 7, nous: 67 [Super: #313 / #24 -
Important Distinctions, Trouble from Indulgence; I-Ching: H5 - Delay;
Tetra: 18 - Waiting, Ego: #462 / #67 - Three Treasures; I-Ching: H10 -
Tread Carefully; Tetra: 48 - Ritual] {Autonomous Nature {MOTHER: Scales
of Liability}}

"dolf" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:***@hotmail.com...
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More bankrupt apologies from catholic dogs.
They can be reqarded as equally fascist because they wanted the same
crown and control of marriage as the basis for global governance.
Post by dolf
I'm still waiting for the Catholic nuns of Saint Vincent's
Hospital to give an accountability for their persecution as
racial, sexual and religious vilification of me.
You deserved it.
vince garcia
2012-05-30 23:35:14 UTC
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As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

--Apostle paul
A thousand may pray until their knees are bloody, but if they are not
keeping His Commandments, God says their prayer is an abomination to
Him. Yet the prayers of one one man who abides in Him can change the
"The effectual fervent prayer of a RIGHTEOUS man availeth much."
James 5:16 KJV
“Little children, let no one deceive you. He who DOES RIGHT is
RIGHTEOUS.” 1 John 3:7 RSV
Sounds good, doesn't it? SOUNDS like something a believer in Christ
might really say.

But what is the truth behind what Donna Kupp teaches and believes?

How can we know if this woman is of God or actually a false teacher when
she speaks?

Paul gives us the answer:

2 cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve
through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the
simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not
preached, or if ye receive ANOTHER SPIRIT, which ye have not received,
or ANOTHER GOSPEL, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with
him.

2 cor 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming
themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of
light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed
as the MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS; whose end shall be according to their
works.

Donna Kupp, for those who do not know, is a woman preaching a false
gospel with a false Christ that denies virtually every possible
essential of the Christian faith.

Note here paul's words about false teachers: they will actually be
"MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS"!!!!! Not antinomians, teaching lawlessness
and freedom to sin, but MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, teaching an
apparently good-sounding Gospel that is actually ANOTHER GOSPEL about
ANOTHER JESUS!

Let us test Donna Kupp's own words against the doctrines of
the New Testament and the Christian church, and see if we can determine
whether she is a servant of God, or actually a minister of Satan!

1. First, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach "ANOTHER
JESUS."

Is Donna Kupp's Jesus YOUR Jesus? Is her Jesus the Jesus of
Scripture?

While Donna Kupp just made a number of statements sound like something a
real Christian might make, we cannot make a judgment whether she is or
is not a true Christian based only on what she just posted here. We must
determine if she really teaches the same Jesus REAL Christians follow by
looking at statements she, herself, has made about Christ in the past,
that she may not throw out on a regular basis, because she knows it
reveals what she REALLY thinks about Christ.

So what does she actually say about the Jesus she follows, and
supposedly places faith in?

This...
"In the beginning was Jesus
and Jesus was with THE RULER,
and Jesus was Ruler.
The same was in the beginning with THE RULER."
John was teaching that Jesus was our Ruler (our theos) and that
Jesus was with the Father from the very beginning of creation.
(Not that Jesus was one third of some mysterious and mind-
boggling "Trinity" that no one had ever heard of.)
We can stop right there. Donna Kupp, denying the deity of Christ,
rewrites the Gospel of John in a manner that affirms that denial, so we
can either change all our Bibles to her new trenslation that "proves"
Jesus is NOT fully God, but some other sort of created lesser being, or
we can allow the sacred words of the apostle John to stand AS WRITTEN!

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the WORD
WAS GOD.

So we see her Jesus is ANOTHER JESUS that orthodox Protestants and
Evangelicals (and Catholics) DO NOT believe in.

For US, Jesus is God in flesh, fully God and fully man, and 2nd Person
of the Trinity she goes on to mock and deny.


2. Next, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach or operate under
a "DIFFERENT SPIRIT".

Does Donna Kupp teach and receive anoining by the same Holy Spirit that
REAL Christians follow?

Judge for yourself by her own words.
The concept that the Holy Spirit is God is based on a single verse in
Acts (5:3) where it says that Ananias lied to the Holy Spirit - and
later it says that he lied to God.
To conclude that the Holy Spirit is God on the basis of those verses is
merely an interpretation which adds to what is actually written. Since
the Spirit is the means of communciation between God and man, if you
lie to the Spirit you are in effect lying to God. Are there any verses
which actually say that the Holy Spirit is God?
Not one!
Jesus did not teach the Trinity, the apostles did not teach it, and it
was not taught by church leaders for three hundred years after the
death of Christ.
All REAL Christians believe not only in the deity of Christ, but also
the Godhood of the Holy Spirit. As we see from her own words, Donna
Kupp denies those two essentials of the faith, and proclaims the Holy
Spirit is only some nebulous "means of communication between God and
man"

So now we see she has fulfilled the SECOND warning of Paul--she has
A DIFFERENT SPIRIT than REAL Christians do.

By the way, her LIES about the history of the Trinity are instantly
refutable:

The deity of Christ was EXPLICITLY taught by Ignatius in the early 2nd
century

"To the Church at Ephesus in Asia . . . chosen through true suffering by
the will of the Father in Jesus Christ our God"
"FOR OUR GOD, Jesus Christ, was conceived by Mary in accord with God�s
plan: of the seed of David, it is true, but also of the Holy Spirit"

Letter to the Ephesians 1 110 AD
There is no record of the co-equal, co-eternal, three-in-one God
being taught by a single one of the early church fathers. It
was not a part of Christian teaching until it was formulated by the
Second Ecumenical Council at Constantinople in 381.A.D.
"No record"?


For the Church, although dispersed throughout the whole world even to
the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and from their
disciples the faith in one God, the Father Almighty . . . and in one
Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who became flesh for our salvation; and in
the Holy Spirit

Irenaeus, before 200 AD

And at the same time the mystery of the oikonomia is safeguarded, for
the unity is distributed in a TRINITY. Placed in order, the three are
the Father, Son, and Spirit. They are three, however, not in condition,
but in degree; not in being, but in form; not in power, but in kind; of
one being, however, and one condition and one power, because he is one
God of whom degrees and forms and kinds are taken into account in the
name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit"

Tertullian "Against Praxeas" early 200s AD

For Scripture as much announces Christ AS ALSO GOD, as it announces God
himself as man. It has as much described Jesus Christ to be man, as
moreover it has also described Christ the Lord to be God. Because it
does not set forth him to be the Son of God only, but also the son of
man; nor does it only say, the son of man, but it has also been
accustomed to speak of him as the Son of God. So that being of both, he
is both, lest if he should be one only, he could not be the other. For
as nature itself has prescribed that he must be believed to be a man who
is of man, so the same nature prescribes also that he must be believed
to be God who is of God. . . . Let them, therefore, who read that Jesus
Christ the son of man is man, read also that this same Jesus is called
also God and the Son of God"

Novatian, Treatise on the Trinity 11 235 AD

And now the capstone to Kupp's historial and TEXTUAL illiteracy:

The Lord says: 'I and the Father are one.' And again of the Father and
Son and the Holy Spirit it is written: 'And these three are one'.
Cyprian --Treatise 1 on the unity of the Catholic Church, chapter 6,
early 3rd century, PROVING THE LEGITIMACY OF THE COMMA JOHANNEUM KUPP
(and other historical illiterates) SAY IS A FRAUD.


3. The minister of Satan will also teach "ANOTHER GOSPEL."

Does Donna Kupp uphold the CHRISTIAN gospel? We've already seen she
denies and perverts the nature of Jesus Himself and the precious Holy
Spirit. But what is her actual gospel message? She talks about
obedience, and making Jesus Lord...but what does she really believe
about sin, justification, and sanctification? Does she ever lay out her
beliefs in clear language so the body of Christ can see and judge
whether she is or is not a fellow believer?

Yes!
To be saved is the first step in the process of salvation. Those who
are saved do not have eternal life -
Did you get that? THOSE WHO ARE SAVED ___DO NOT___HAVE ETERNAL LIFE!!!

LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

jn 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, HATH eternal life;
and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name
of the Son of God; that YE MAY KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that
ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of
yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
"If one who is born of God has truly repented of committing sin
(chosen to cease from sin) and then deliberately commits sin he has
despised the Holy Spirit, just as the OT the Israelites despised the
Law of God. It is blasphemy!"
"When we are converted all past sins are forgiven. After a person is
born-again, only sins of ignorance are forgiven. If a person sins
with knowledge and intent after that time, they have blasphemed
the Holy Spirit and there is no more sacrifice for sin. See Hebrews
6:1-8; Hebrews 10:26-31."
LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves
are ALSO FOUND SINNERS, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God
forbid.

Apparently, paul understood that even those justified in Christ STILL
SINNED!

Are we sure? Well, let's again test the doctrine of donna kupp by Paul's
own words, written in the last months of his life:

1 tim 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation,
that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I AM
CHIEF.

Wait a minute--I thought Donna said any Christian who willingly commits
even ONE SIN is eternally damned!

Apparently, paul did not realize this when he acknowledged he was the
WORST of sinners in 67 AD when he wrote this, 30+ years after finding
Christ! Thus, he must have been guilty of blaspheming the spirit
according to false teachers harold and donna kupp

What else did Paul have to say about whether Christians do or do not
commit sin in romans 7?

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing:
for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I
find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: BUT THE EVIL WHICH I WOULD NOT,
____THAT I DO___.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin
that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with
me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my
mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my
members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this
death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I
myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Does THAT sound like a man who has reached the state of sinless
perfection like Donna Kupp, who claims any sin she commits is 100%
accidental and unintentional??????

And this is her ultimate blasphemy regarding the blood of Christ...
Blood of Christ covers: 1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light,
as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the
blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. (Only sins
of ignorance)
Notice how donna kupp added the words "Only sins of ignorance" to
pervert John's words? Just as she did with the powerful passage in John
1:1, she rejects the message and inserts her own heretical words flat
out CONTRADICTING what was actually written! John says Christ's blood
cleanses us from ALL sin; Donna adds words to change it to all
UNINTENTIONAL sins, making the blood of Christ LIMITED in its ability to
atone for sin.

Kupp also has missed what Jesus said about how imperfect His followers
will always be:

Luke 4:4 And FORGIVE US OUR SINS; for we also forgive every one that is
indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from
evil.

Meanwhile, THIS is God's true message of salvation:

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become
the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

And while Donna Kupp blasphemes the gospel by claiming we keep--and
actually earn--our salvation through keeping the 10 commandments
perfectly, here is what the SCRIPTURE says about how we stay in right
standing security with God:

1 peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a
lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not
away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 WHO ARE KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD __THROUGH FAITH__ UNTO SALVATION
ready to be revealed in the last time.

So now we see her "gospel" IS NOT the gospel of the New testament. It is
a false gospel that...

A. Requires Bible verses to be rewritten in a heretical manner.
B. Requires adding a clarification to Scripture that TOTALLY overturns
what the Scripture actually SAYS.
C. Must deny the deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit.
D. Requires remaining in a state of salvation by keeping the 10
commandments PERFECTLY, or else the person is now damned without
possibility of repentance.
E. Blasphemes and limits the atoning power of Christ's blood to
"Only sins of ignorance."


4. As we noted, Paul says the MINISTER OF SATAN will actually appear to
be a MINISTER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS! That is what makes them so deceptive.
They are serpents in the guise of sheep, preaching righteous living and
'keeping God's holy law' while in their hearts is satan himself, drawing
people away from TRUE righteousness, to a perverted notion of it based
on keeping commandments!

Take a look at Donna Kupp's deceptive posts, including this one. Every
one touts the keeping of biblical commandments, threatens people with
damnation for failing to keep biblical commandments, and threatenes them
with damnation if anyone should ever--EVEN ONE TIME--willingly BREAK a
biblical commandment.

So Kupp APPEARS to be preaching the righteousness of 'keeping God's holy
commandments'...yet she does it in a way that is an UTTER PERVERSION of
the gospel of grace, and comes right from the mouth of satan speaking
good things, and making her LOOK like a minister of righetousness.

So, summing it up, Paul says that a minister of satan will...

Preach another Jesus...
Preach under another spirit...
Preach a different gospel...
While appearing to be a minister of righteousness while doing so!

I believe Donna Kupp meets ALL FOUR CRITERIA.

Based on the totality of her teachings, I see no conclusion other than
that the "Jesus" she follows is a demon spirit, and the "Yahweh" she
speaks for is actually SATAN.


I am dead to the law by the crucified body of Christ. Are you?
dolf
2012-05-31 01:08:57 UTC
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Happy Birthday Mum @ 30 May

The Catholic Fascist Voice in Our Country is going to perish and will no
longer be heard

Enjoying the Syrian Slaughter? You wait till you see what will happen in
Australia
Dear Aaron
Thank you for your email. Unfortunately you have contacted
McDonalds.
Customer Service
Do you know what that means Ike?

About the war in Iraq?

About the war in Afghanistan?

About the second World War?

Mr Peter Bowditch has a lot to answer for.

From dust he has come and to dust he will return.
Post by dolf
"Did u pee on the Eternal Flame, yet again Dufus?"
Mr Peter Bowditch is as a person of British decent who is engaged
in racial, sexual and religious vilification of our Constitutional
Rights.
And I am most adamant about eventually bringing that fascist cunt
to his knees in showing a proper respect.
Dolt - please fuck off.
<snip evidence of insanity>
Post by dolf
"Dolf the dolt fails Turing test" [BARRY OGRADY]
Let me repeat it for you Barry: "Irish dogs such as Barry OGRADY
make ANZAC day a day to forget!"
...said the fool relying on Babylonian-originating Kabbalist
teachings.
Oh no Ike, I make no dependency on an indestructible atom as a geometric
construction and usage of manufactured spacial overlay:

- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/tree.gif
- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/yetziratic_wheel.png

As any other legislative obligations enacted and given assent to by any
particular dispensation {ie. a system of order, government, or
organization of a nation, community, etc., especially as existing at a
particular time} of governance having power to rule as enumerated within
its Kabbalistic systemic conception by the Theory of Number (the Decade)
as: #1 - KETHER (Crown) to #10 - MALKUTH (Kingdom).

I don't even make a dependency on the emanation of MAGIC SQUARE #0 CE as
HETEROS (MALE/FEMALE MARRIAGE -- WHAT IS SIN & WICKEDNESS?) autonomic
transformative prototype and symbolic associator to the series #15 CE,
#34 CE, #65 CE, #111 CE, #175 CE, #260 CE, #369 CE ... #2000 Y2K

I get the dispensational basis of governance shown above by memetic
specific colour attributions {ie. vBronze: #69, vPurple: #9, vRed: #32,
vBlue: #20, vOrange: #61, vGreen: #73, vYellow: #35, vCyan: #58, vCoral:
#41} accompanying the conception of SEPTET MAGIC SQUARES which provides
an equitable distribution of NUMBER and MEMETIC NATURAL PROCESS OF ORDER
& CHANGE AS “CHAD” GOVERNANCE

So, summing it up, Paul says that a minister of satan will...

Preach another Jesus...
Preach under another spirit...
Preach a different gospel...
While appearing to be a minister of righteousness while doing so!

I believe Vince Garcia and the Roman Catholic Chuch meets ALL FOUR CRITERIA.

Based on the totality of their teachings, I see no conclusion other than
that the "Jesus" they follow is a demon spirit, and the "Yahweh" they
speaks for is actually SATAN.

I am dead to the law by the crucified body of Christ. Are you?

The Catholic Fascist Voice in Our Country is going to perish and will no
longer be heard.

Did you like the earthquake in Parma, Italy? The bins weren't in
disarray at least.

dolf (0822 hrs 20120529): "The Garbage collectors failed to empty my
bins correctly. Left them in a disarray and physically checked them for
compliance before emptying them.

Obviously this is related to my past complaint about their
non-participation in ANZAC day.

שלא
lo'-not (H3808): #331 = #300, #30, #1

1) not, no
1a) not (with verb - absolute prohibition)
1b) not (with modifier - negation)
1c) nothing (subst)
1d) without (with particle)
1e) before (of time)

- http://www.grapple369.com/grapple.html?zen:3,row:5,col:7

Waste Pariah Dogs & Forgotten Garbage (Butcher Paper & Foam) by a Lone
Gum Tree @ Fitzroy Street, Sale

טבחת
tabach-kill (H2873): #419 = #9, #2, #8, #400

1) to slaughter, slay, butcher, kill ruthlessly
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to slaughter, butcher
1a2) to slay, kill ruthlessly (fig.)

Should any further disparity as preferential service be noted, a legal
claim will be made against you."

Just yesterday, I said, the Catholic (Italian) fascist dogs don't seem
interested in my ANZAC Day miracle:

Where I read out the following in association to a mathematical model
and biblical text as substance of belief and an earthquake occurred in
the Tamar [Valley] area of Tasmania, killing one miner.

- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/nous.gif

“We are not ANZACs, We have done nobler deeds than they, Of which you
know nothing. We are not ANZACs because Australians subject us to
Religious persecution. We are not ANZACs because you deny us fair
Justice. We are not ANZACs because you think your race is better than
ours. We are not ANZACs because you deny us Community and Equal
Opportunity. O God Lord of retribution, LORD, God, Lord of retribution,
shine forth. Rise up O judge of the earth, and render an evil recompense
to the proud. How long will the wicked dwell in error? That pour out and
speak blasphemy, all those who deal falsely utter words of shame. They
crush your people. O LORD, and impoverish your inheritance. They kill
the widow and the sojourner and murder the orphans.

And they say, ‘The LORD does not see, and the God of Jacob does not pay
heed.’” [© 2004 The Order of Saint Benedict, Aramaic Targum of Psalm 94:1-7]

“We have Jesus on the cross
Your cold love put him there.
What is now your human loss?
Forever gone and despair.”

- http://www.grapple369.com/Being_files/crucified.gif

As an authoritative statement of fact about one’s own religious belief
as a substance which supersedes and is sovereign to your own unbelief or
disbelief as the belief (accompanying ritual practice) may be such as
Roman Catholicism. We seem to have Catholic et al managing and
disrupting Internet based conversations for years so as to prevent the
fostering of any viable alternative (as degree of belief) to Catholic
dogma as their disbelief in blasphemy which is the lack any real and
tangible Christian identity as unbelief.

I joked with him about what would likely to have happened yesterday and
whether I would have been involuntarily sectioned, if they had known,
that my singular intention was to effect a disdainful brutalisation of
them by the slaughter of the nuns who own the shop--And I proudly
expressed the view of its anticipated effectiveness, in being for them
an especially enhanced and grievous reality by virtue of the fact that
the Catholic nuns live within a worldview as delusional claim to
superiority, where they mistakenly believe there is no verity and surety
greater to their own belief. As they simply have no awareness of
something much greater than them. It therefore has the very real
capability of manifesting a most pronounced distress as uncontrolled
anxieties and palpitations. A loss of bodily function and breathing
control, an incapacity of speech and most probably resulting in death,
as my intentioned act of a most discomforting awareness of a loss of
soul. A judgement and revenge made against them. What do you think is
implied by the claim that I would effect a collapse and forfeiture by
the Catholic Religious Order, who have no remaining legitimacy within
Australian life?

I described to him, my well intentioned purpose, which I conveyed before
even beginning the 3 hrs of pleading my own cause of liberty with the
psychiatrists yesterday. I had sought to protect them (purposefully left
in draft disposition in that specific regard) in relation to the
mechanics of the document. And described it’s capability for manifesting
trauma as notionally equivalent to getting on the cross with Jesus. And
explained to them that whilst no harm was being intentioned towards
them. That should their sensibilities be moved to an empathy with my
representations, they should clearly convey their free accept of it. The
course of my presentation, would then focus on how the methodology, as
recourse to the habitual use of obstructions, which move one towards the
concealment of any intentioned process and instead having a reliance
upon scurrilous distortions of any immediacy and capability for threat
for actuality, has a mitigating effect on the permissibility of
authority under the legislation.

At one point I brought to their attention, the expressed need to avoid
the risky action of reading and consuming the document at too rapid and
careless rate. As you may unnecessarily enter into a painful anxious
state of fear which rendered them incapable of speech. That I was
responding to the outstanding matter of psychiatrist Peter Sternhell’s
slanderous characterisations of the substantial reality, vital
effectiveness and the substance of my own religious belief. The
improper, immodest and blasphemous characterisation by them, as being
irrational and delusional was often repeated without substantiation by
Dr. Meredith Stone (and I have seen her with child). To whom I have also
intentioned to effect a similar retaliation against those persons, as a
consequence to their slanderous, false and haughty characterisations of
me and my belief as delusional and as cause for their sado-masochistic
perversity to which I was then subject to their pleasure and the
pretence as beneficial claim of a therapeutic process. In having
furnished statements and these documents, in substantiation of my legal
entitlements and claim against Saint Vincent’s Hospital, theirs
similarly, is now a requirement as an accord with immediacy and a
priority towards an unequivocal awareness, of their obligation which is
without any further grounds for delay, as a requirement for them to
provide an accountability for their actions and in their absence any
credibility as lawful criteria to provide an apology and restitution for
their past and continuing persecutions. And they will afford me an
appropriate and sovereign dignity in the acknowledgement of the
superiority and correctness of my substantial claim to Christian belief
and over that which was previously claimed of Roman Catholic belief.

That until they all expire, every remaining Roman Catholic, from this
time forward will afford to me an appropriate dignity as my entitlement
which is attained by the sovereign basis of my substantiated claim to
Christian belief and identity--such recognition of my superiority over
the Roman Catholic Church and its fraudulent claims to Christian
identity is to be accompanied by an appropriate gesturing as bowing in
respect of my dignity and a verbalisation which acknowledges the majesty
of my triumphantism over you all.
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
--Apostle paul
Kupp also has missed what Jesus said about how imperfect His
Luke 4:4 And FORGIVE US OUR SINS; for we also forgive every one that
is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us
from evil.
John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to
And while Donna Kupp blasphemes the gospel by claiming we keep--and
actually earn--our salvation through keeping the 10 commandments
perfectly, here is what the SCRIPTURE says about how we stay in right
1 peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a
lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 To
an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not
away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 WHO ARE KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD
__THROUGH FAITH__ UNTO SALVATION ready to be revealed in the last
time.
So now we see her "gospel" IS NOT the gospel of the New testament.
It is a false gospel that...
A. Requires Bible verses to be rewritten in a heretical manner. B.
Requires adding a clarification to Scripture that TOTALLY overturns
what the Scripture actually SAYS. C. Must deny the deity of Christ
and the Holy Spirit. D. Requires remaining in a state of salvation
by keeping the 10 commandments PERFECTLY, or else the person is now
damned without possibility of repentance. E. Blasphemes and limits
the atoning power of Christ's blood to "Only sins of ignorance."
4. As we noted, Paul says the MINISTER OF SATAN will actually appear
to be a MINISTER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS! That is what makes them so
deceptive. They are serpents in the guise of sheep, preaching
righteous living and 'keeping God's holy law' while in their hearts
is satan himself, drawing people away from TRUE righteousness, to a
perverted notion of it based on keeping commandments!
Take a look at Donna Kupp's deceptive posts, including this one.
Every one touts the keeping of biblical commandments, threatens
people with damnation for failing to keep biblical commandments, and
threatenes them with damnation if anyone should ever--EVEN ONE
TIME--willingly BREAK a biblical commandment.
So Kupp APPEARS to be preaching the righteousness of 'keeping God's
holy commandments'...yet she does it in a way that is an UTTER
PERVERSION of the gospel of grace, and comes right from the mouth of
satan speaking good things, and making her LOOK like a minister of
righetousness.
So, summing it up, Paul says that a minister of satan will...
Preach another Jesus... Preach under another spirit... Preach a
different gospel... While appearing to be a minister of
righteousness while doing so!
I believe Donna Kupp meets ALL FOUR CRITERIA.
Based on the totality of her teachings, I see no conclusion other
than that the "Jesus" she follows is a demon spirit, and the
"Yahweh" she speaks for is actually SATAN.
I am dead to the law by the crucified body of Christ. Are you?
#20 / ***@zen: 5, row: 3, col: 3, nous: 7 [Super: #397 / #46 -
Guiding Contentment, Moderation of Desire; I-Ching: H1 - Creative
Principle/Heaven; Tetra: 37 - Purity, Ego: #403 / #7 - Intentional
Reversal, Dimming Radiance; I-Ching: H12 - Stagnation; Tetra: 56 -
Closed Mouth] {Transforming Nature {DOUBLE: Form of Nature {Autonomous
Nature}}}

In relation to this notion of The Decade is the meaning of Yom Kippur as
a ritual of nullification held over a 10 day period commencing a new
Moon on 18 September 2001 (as my particular interest for synchronising
the centre of the Grapple Temporal / Noumenal Reality for a 5 day period
being #41 on 13 September 2001 as a centrifugal model comprising septet
#369 magic squares with the solar / lunar chronological cycle and
rational representation of PI / ENNEAD) and the Dead Sea Scroll
chronological principle which is a cosmological straight line--hence
transcendent--in having a starting point on the Equinox of Wednesday 20
March 1996 with a new Moon on Thursday 21 March for a base 7 Numbering
system intrinsic to the cosmogony as rational representation of PI.

In that for 3 x 364 days = 1092 days there was a lunar/solar comparison
of 3 x 354 lunar years + 30 days = 1092 days. There are in a cycle of 5
x 364 days + 182 days (as a 1/2 cycle) two fragments in the Dead Sea
Scroll relics related to the 1st day of the 7th solar month as occurring
on 12 September 2001 and the 21st priestly course starting on Sunday 16
September 2001 which fragment also brings together an association of the
solar and lunar cycles which appear to have been a readily observable
phenomenon.

In that this has according to the Dead Sea Scrolls, a reprise in a 294 x
364 day years as 6 Jubilees or 293 x 365.2423 days (just short of the
tropical years, but technologically better than the Julian calendar of
365.25 days instigated in 45 BCE and reformed in 1582 CE (1751 CE in
British Empire) by the Gregorian calendar reforms due to an
intercalation error resulting in a lost of synchronicity comprising a
magnitude loss of one day every 128 years. This forms the basis for
arguing a metaphysical and cosmological origin of language as 22
elements of the Hebrew letters which is otherwise shown geometrically as
an indestructible object (atom) in the association of the 10 as Decade
(as Greek and Ennead as Egyptian notions) and counts (number) and the 22
letters as 3 horizontal (Mother letters), 7 vertical lines (Double
letters) and 12 diagonal lines (Single letters):


Kabbalistic Tree of Life
ATZILUTH {1st as “World of Emanation” also known as Olam Atzilut, עולם
אצילות in Hebrew}
BRIYAH {2nd as “World of Creation” also known as Olam Briyah, עולם בריאה
in Hebrew}
YETZIRAH {3rd as “World of Formation” also known as Olam Yetsirah, עולם
יצירה in Hebrew}
ASSIYAH {4th as “World of Action” also known as Olam Asiyah, עולם עשיה
in Hebrew}

- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/tree.gif
- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/yetziratic_wheel.png

This is Chaldean / Babylonian in Origins: Hebrew letters as described in
the “Sefer Yetzirah”

YETZIRAH as in “Making" is as opposed to BRIYAH as in "Creating"
Actually taking whatever matter that was created in the BRIYAH and
shaping it into the basic elements.

It is also possible to divide the number of days in 400 years in the
Gregorian calendar reforms as 146,097 days by 7 and that when made
divisible by 22 to obtain the remainder, and to arrange the Hebrew
letters in a pattern which has a remainder of #13 as being in the middle
of the Chinese 2 BCE published DAO TE CHING / I CHING division of the
year into 364.5 days and the Jewish Kabbalah equivalent which deployed a
magic square of #369 having a distinct mathematical property at centre
of #41 for the equivalent date of 13 September.

#0 MOD 22 = 22 [#TAU / #400] as 4000 BCE
#400 MOD 22 = 17 [#PE / #80]
#800 MOD 22 = 12 [#LAMED / #30]
#1200 MOD 22 = 7 [#ZAYIN / #7]
#1600 MOD 22 = 2 [#BETH / #2]
#2000 MOD 22 = 19 [#QOPH / #100]
#2400 MOD 22 = 14 [#NUN / #50]
#2800 MOD 22 = 9 [#TETH / #9]
#3200 MOD 22 = 4 [#DALETH / #4]
#3600 MOD 22 = 21 [#SHIN / #300]
#4000 MOD 22 = 16 [#'AYIN / #70] = #0 CE as HETEROS (MALE/FEMALE
MARRIAGE -- WHAT IS SIN & WICKEDNESS?) autonomic transformative
prototype and symbolic associator to the series #15 CE, #34 CE, #65 CE,
#111 CE, #175 CE, #260 CE, #369 CE ... #2000 Y2K
#4400 MOD 22 = 11 [#KAF / #20] = #400 CE
#4800 MOD 22 = 6 [#VAV / #6] = #800 CE
#5200 MOD 22 = 1 [#ALEPH / #1] = #1200 CE
#5600 MOD 22 = 18 [#TSADE / #90] = #1600 CE
#6000 MOD 22 = 13 [#MEM / #40] = #2000 Y2K / Equinox of DATE(1996,3,20)
+ (5 * 364) + 182 days = Wednesday DATE(2001,9,12) with Equinox of
Saturday DATE(2001,9,23) commencing the Sabbath year of 'oth cycle

- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/toth9.gif

#6400 MOD 22 = 8 [#CHET / #8]
#6800 MOD 22 = 3 [#GIMEL / #3]
#7200 MOD 22 = 20 [#RESH / #200]
#7600 MOD 22 = 15 [#SAMEK / #60]
#8000 MOD 22 = 10 [#YOD / #10]
#8400 MOD 22 = 5 [#HE / #5]
#8800 MOD 22 = 22 [#TAU / #400] as 8800 CE

In many instances, the Torah also uses words and phrases in ways that
cannot be understood in their literal sense. There are a number of very
obvious examples of this in the narrative of the Creation, for the
metaphysical events that took place at that time were far removed from
the natural order of the world we know today. They could not have been
accurately described in ways that we can understand, nor in language
that we can relate to. For example, the Torah tells us how God brought
the world into being through speech, when in fact He created the world
through a form of thought. When the Torah describes God's thought
process as speech, it makes it easier for us to grasp the idea on our
own level. [Copyright © 2001 by Rabbi Daniel Travis and www.Torah.org]

dolf: “Fascist Dogs BroilJAB & Uergil discuss their creation denial!”

BroilJAB (***@wmconnect.com): “The deviant creationists twist
and turn, twist the words of the faithful.

Sad it is to see them like this.”

Uergil (***@uer.net): “If there is any damnation, it is the nation
creationists inhabit.”

dolf: “Vurgil or Uirgit? (***@arg.erg / ***@uirgil.ur)

Or is it now Uergil?

Creationist denial has its roots in German political theatre.

Numerological and mystic speculation was especially rife amongst German
Romantics and Naturphilosophien during the nineteenth century and grew
out of ancient teleological speculations concerning the harmonious
distribution of the heavenly bodies. Such speculation was by no means
confined to the celestial motions; in 1818 the Kantian mineralogist
Christian Weiss even argues for a link between aspects of
rhombic-dodecahedral crystal structure and the musical scale of tones!
However, such flights of imaginative fancy generally had little impact
upon the work of serious scientists; with one notable exception.

In 1766 Johann Daniel Titius von Wittenberg was preparing a German
translation of Charles Bonnet’s Contemplation de la Nature. To the
section on planetary motions he added a now famous footnote pointing out
that the radii of all the planetary orbits can be generated by the
following simple algorithm, where r is measured in astronomical units (1
AU = 1.496 x 1013 cm):


rn = 0.4 + 0.3 x 2n; n = 0,1,2…


This formula provided a striking approximation for the distance from the
Sun to the six then-known planets: Mercury {Measured: 0.39, Predicted:
0.4}, Venus {Measured: 0.72, Predicted: 0.7}, Earth {Measured: 1.00,
Predicted: 1.0}, Mars {Measured: 1.52, Predicted: 1.6}, Jupiter
{Measured: 5.20, Predicted: 5.2}, Saturn {Measured: 9.55, Predicted:
10.0}. Their measured distances from the Sun at the time of the Law’s
inception are indicated together with Titius’ predictions. [Rediscovery
of the Anthropic Principle, John Barrow & Frank Tipler, The Anthropic
Cosmological Principle, © 1996, p 221]

There is no more opportunity for repentance--and neither for forgiveness.

To hell with you!”

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Important Distinctions, Trouble from Indulgence; I-Ching: H5 - Delay;
Tetra: 18 - Waiting, Ego: #462 / #67 - Three Treasures; I-Ching: H10 -
Tread Carefully; Tetra: 48 - Ritual] {Autonomous Nature {MOTHER: Scales
of Liability}}

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More bankrupt apologies from catholic dogs.
They can be reqarded as equally fascist because they wanted the same
crown and control of marriage as the basis for global governance.
Post by dolf
I'm still waiting for the Catholic nuns of Saint Vincent's
Hospital to give an accountability for their persecution as
racial, sexual and religious vilification of me.
You deserved it.
vince garcia
2012-05-31 01:25:52 UTC
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As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

--Apostle paul
A thousand may pray until their knees are bloody, but if they are not
keeping His Commandments, God says their prayer is an abomination to
Him. Yet the prayers of one one man who abides in Him can change the
"The effectual fervent prayer of a RIGHTEOUS man availeth much."
James 5:16 KJV
“Little children, let no one deceive you. He who DOES RIGHT is
RIGHTEOUS.” 1 John 3:7 RSV
Sounds good, doesn't it? SOUNDS like something a believer in Christ
might really say.

But what is the truth behind what Donna Kupp teaches and believes?

How can we know if this woman is of God or actually a false teacher when
she speaks?

Paul gives us the answer:

2 cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve
through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the
simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not
preached, or if ye receive ANOTHER SPIRIT, which ye have not received,
or ANOTHER GOSPEL, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with
him.

2 cor 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming
themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of
light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed
as the MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS; whose end shall be according to their
works.

Donna Kupp, for those who do not know, is a woman preaching a false
gospel with a false Christ that denies virtually every possible
essential of the Christian faith.

Note here paul's words about false teachers: they will actually be
"MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS"!!!!! Not antinomians, teaching lawlessness
and freedom to sin, but MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, teaching an
apparently good-sounding Gospel that is actually ANOTHER GOSPEL about
ANOTHER JESUS!

Let us test Donna Kupp's own words against the doctrines of
the New Testament and the Christian church, and see if we can determine
whether she is a servant of God, or actually a minister of Satan!

1. First, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach "ANOTHER
JESUS."

Is Donna Kupp's Jesus YOUR Jesus? Is her Jesus the Jesus of
Scripture?

While Donna Kupp just made a number of statements sound like something a
real Christian might make, we cannot make a judgment whether she is or
is not a true Christian based only on what she just posted here. We must
determine if she really teaches the same Jesus REAL Christians follow by
looking at statements she, herself, has made about Christ in the past,
that she may not throw out on a regular basis, because she knows it
reveals what she REALLY thinks about Christ.

So what does she actually say about the Jesus she follows, and
supposedly places faith in?

This...
"In the beginning was Jesus
and Jesus was with THE RULER,
and Jesus was Ruler.
The same was in the beginning with THE RULER."
John was teaching that Jesus was our Ruler (our theos) and that
Jesus was with the Father from the very beginning of creation.
(Not that Jesus was one third of some mysterious and mind-
boggling "Trinity" that no one had ever heard of.)
We can stop right there. Donna Kupp, denying the deity of Christ,
rewrites the Gospel of John in a manner that affirms that denial, so we
can either change all our Bibles to her new trenslation that "proves"
Jesus is NOT fully God, but some other sort of created lesser being, or
we can allow the sacred words of the apostle John to stand AS WRITTEN!

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the WORD
WAS GOD.

So we see her Jesus is ANOTHER JESUS that orthodox Protestants and
Evangelicals (and Catholics) DO NOT believe in.

For US, Jesus is God in flesh, fully God and fully man, and 2nd Person
of the Trinity she goes on to mock and deny.


2. Next, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach or operate under
a "DIFFERENT SPIRIT".

Does Donna Kupp teach and receive anoining by the same Holy Spirit that
REAL Christians follow?

Judge for yourself by her own words.
The concept that the Holy Spirit is God is based on a single verse in
Acts (5:3) where it says that Ananias lied to the Holy Spirit - and
later it says that he lied to God.
To conclude that the Holy Spirit is God on the basis of those verses is
merely an interpretation which adds to what is actually written. Since
the Spirit is the means of communciation between God and man, if you
lie to the Spirit you are in effect lying to God. Are there any verses
which actually say that the Holy Spirit is God?
Not one!
Jesus did not teach the Trinity, the apostles did not teach it, and it
was not taught by church leaders for three hundred years after the
death of Christ.
All REAL Christians believe not only in the deity of Christ, but also
the Godhood of the Holy Spirit. As we see from her own words, Donna
Kupp denies those two essentials of the faith, and proclaims the Holy
Spirit is only some nebulous "means of communication between God and
man"

So now we see she has fulfilled the SECOND warning of Paul--she has
A DIFFERENT SPIRIT than REAL Christians do.

By the way, her LIES about the history of the Trinity are instantly
refutable:

The deity of Christ was EXPLICITLY taught by Ignatius in the early 2nd
century

"To the Church at Ephesus in Asia . . . chosen through true suffering by
the will of the Father in Jesus Christ our God"
"FOR OUR GOD, Jesus Christ, was conceived by Mary in accord with God�s
plan: of the seed of David, it is true, but also of the Holy Spirit"

Letter to the Ephesians 1 110 AD
There is no record of the co-equal, co-eternal, three-in-one God
being taught by a single one of the early church fathers. It
was not a part of Christian teaching until it was formulated by the
Second Ecumenical Council at Constantinople in 381.A.D.
"No record"?


For the Church, although dispersed throughout the whole world even to
the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and from their
disciples the faith in one God, the Father Almighty . . . and in one
Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who became flesh for our salvation; and in
the Holy Spirit

Irenaeus, before 200 AD

And at the same time the mystery of the oikonomia is safeguarded, for
the unity is distributed in a TRINITY. Placed in order, the three are
the Father, Son, and Spirit. They are three, however, not in condition,
but in degree; not in being, but in form; not in power, but in kind; of
one being, however, and one condition and one power, because he is one
God of whom degrees and forms and kinds are taken into account in the
name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit"

Tertullian "Against Praxeas" early 200s AD

For Scripture as much announces Christ AS ALSO GOD, as it announces God
himself as man. It has as much described Jesus Christ to be man, as
moreover it has also described Christ the Lord to be God. Because it
does not set forth him to be the Son of God only, but also the son of
man; nor does it only say, the son of man, but it has also been
accustomed to speak of him as the Son of God. So that being of both, he
is both, lest if he should be one only, he could not be the other. For
as nature itself has prescribed that he must be believed to be a man who
is of man, so the same nature prescribes also that he must be believed
to be God who is of God. . . . Let them, therefore, who read that Jesus
Christ the son of man is man, read also that this same Jesus is called
also God and the Son of God"

Novatian, Treatise on the Trinity 11 235 AD

And now the capstone to Kupp's historial and TEXTUAL illiteracy:

The Lord says: 'I and the Father are one.' And again of the Father and
Son and the Holy Spirit it is written: 'And these three are one'.
Cyprian --Treatise 1 on the unity of the Catholic Church, chapter 6,
early 3rd century, PROVING THE LEGITIMACY OF THE COMMA JOHANNEUM KUPP
(and other historical illiterates) SAY IS A FRAUD.


3. The minister of Satan will also teach "ANOTHER GOSPEL."

Does Donna Kupp uphold the CHRISTIAN gospel? We've already seen she
denies and perverts the nature of Jesus Himself and the precious Holy
Spirit. But what is her actual gospel message? She talks about
obedience, and making Jesus Lord...but what does she really believe
about sin, justification, and sanctification? Does she ever lay out her
beliefs in clear language so the body of Christ can see and judge
whether she is or is not a fellow believer?

Yes!
To be saved is the first step in the process of salvation. Those who
are saved do not have eternal life -
Did you get that? THOSE WHO ARE SAVED ___DO NOT___HAVE ETERNAL LIFE!!!

LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

jn 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, HATH eternal life;
and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name
of the Son of God; that YE MAY KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that
ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of
yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
"If one who is born of God has truly repented of committing sin
(chosen to cease from sin) and then deliberately commits sin he has
despised the Holy Spirit, just as the OT the Israelites despised the
Law of God. It is blasphemy!"
"When we are converted all past sins are forgiven. After a person is
born-again, only sins of ignorance are forgiven. If a person sins
with knowledge and intent after that time, they have blasphemed
the Holy Spirit and there is no more sacrifice for sin. See Hebrews
6:1-8; Hebrews 10:26-31."
LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves
are ALSO FOUND SINNERS, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God
forbid.

Apparently, paul understood that even those justified in Christ STILL
SINNED!

Are we sure? Well, let's again test the doctrine of donna kupp by Paul's
own words, written in the last months of his life:

1 tim 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation,
that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I AM
CHIEF.

Wait a minute--I thought Donna said any Christian who willingly commits
even ONE SIN is eternally damned!

Apparently, paul did not realize this when he acknowledged he was the
WORST of sinners in 67 AD when he wrote this, 30+ years after finding
Christ! Thus, he must have been guilty of blaspheming the spirit
according to false teachers harold and donna kupp

What else did Paul have to say about whether Christians do or do not
commit sin in romans 7?

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing:
for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I
find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: BUT THE EVIL WHICH I WOULD NOT,
____THAT I DO___.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin
that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with
me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my
mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my
members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this
death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I
myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Does THAT sound like a man who has reached the state of sinless
perfection like Donna Kupp, who claims any sin she commits is 100%
accidental and unintentional??????

And this is her ultimate blasphemy regarding the blood of Christ...
Blood of Christ covers: 1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light,
as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the
blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. (Only sins
of ignorance)
Notice how donna kupp added the words "Only sins of ignorance" to
pervert John's words? Just as she did with the powerful passage in John
1:1, she rejects the message and inserts her own heretical words flat
out CONTRADICTING what was actually written! John says Christ's blood
cleanses us from ALL sin; Donna adds words to change it to all
UNINTENTIONAL sins, making the blood of Christ LIMITED in its ability to
atone for sin.

Kupp also has missed what Jesus said about how imperfect His followers
will always be:

Luke 4:4 And FORGIVE US OUR SINS; for we also forgive every one that is
indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from
evil.

Meanwhile, THIS is God's true message of salvation:

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become
the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

And while Donna Kupp blasphemes the gospel by claiming we keep--and
actually earn--our salvation through keeping the 10 commandments
perfectly, here is what the SCRIPTURE says about how we stay in right
standing security with God:

1 peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a
lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not
away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 WHO ARE KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD __THROUGH FAITH__ UNTO SALVATION
ready to be revealed in the last time.

So now we see her "gospel" IS NOT the gospel of the New testament. It is
a false gospel that...

A. Requires Bible verses to be rewritten in a heretical manner.
B. Requires adding a clarification to Scripture that TOTALLY overturns
what the Scripture actually SAYS.
C. Must deny the deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit.
D. Requires remaining in a state of salvation by keeping the 10
commandments PERFECTLY, or else the person is now damned without
possibility of repentance.
E. Blasphemes and limits the atoning power of Christ's blood to
"Only sins of ignorance."


4. As we noted, Paul says the MINISTER OF SATAN will actually appear to
be a MINISTER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS! That is what makes them so deceptive.
They are serpents in the guise of sheep, preaching righteous living and
'keeping God's holy law' while in their hearts is satan himself, drawing
people away from TRUE righteousness, to a perverted notion of it based
on keeping commandments!

Take a look at Donna Kupp's deceptive posts, including this one. Every
one touts the keeping of biblical commandments, threatens people with
damnation for failing to keep biblical commandments, and threatenes them
with damnation if anyone should ever--EVEN ONE TIME--willingly BREAK a
biblical commandment.

So Kupp APPEARS to be preaching the righteousness of 'keeping God's holy
commandments'...yet she does it in a way that is an UTTER PERVERSION of
the gospel of grace, and comes right from the mouth of satan speaking
good things, and making her LOOK like a minister of righetousness.

So, summing it up, Paul says that a minister of satan will...

Preach another Jesus...
Preach under another spirit...
Preach a different gospel...
While appearing to be a minister of righteousness while doing so!

I believe Donna Kupp meets ALL FOUR CRITERIA.

Based on the totality of her teachings, I see no conclusion other than
that the "Jesus" she follows is a demon spirit, and the "Yahweh" she
speaks for is actually SATAN.


I am dead to the law by the crucified body of Christ. Are you?
dolf
2012-05-31 03:45:05 UTC
Permalink
Tamar River area of Tasmania

I rest my case.
vince garcia
2012-05-31 10:58:36 UTC
Permalink
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

--Apostle paul
A thousand may pray until their knees are bloody, but if they are not
keeping His Commandments, God says their prayer is an abomination to
Him. Yet the prayers of one one man who abides in Him can change the
"The effectual fervent prayer of a RIGHTEOUS man availeth much."
James 5:16 KJV
“Little children, let no one deceive you. He who DOES RIGHT is
RIGHTEOUS.” 1 John 3:7 RSV
Sounds good, doesn't it? SOUNDS like something a believer in Christ
might really say.

But what is the truth behind what Donna Kupp teaches and believes?

How can we know if this woman is of God or actually a false teacher when
she speaks?

Paul gives us the answer:

2 cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve
through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the
simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not
preached, or if ye receive ANOTHER SPIRIT, which ye have not received,
or ANOTHER GOSPEL, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with
him.

2 cor 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming
themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of
light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed
as the MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS; whose end shall be according to their
works.

Donna Kupp, for those who do not know, is a woman preaching a false
gospel with a false Christ that denies virtually every possible
essential of the Christian faith.

Note here paul's words about false teachers: they will actually be
"MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS"!!!!! Not antinomians, teaching lawlessness
and freedom to sin, but MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, teaching an
apparently good-sounding Gospel that is actually ANOTHER GOSPEL about
ANOTHER JESUS!

Let us test Donna Kupp's own words against the doctrines of
the New Testament and the Christian church, and see if we can determine
whether she is a servant of God, or actually a minister of Satan!

1. First, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach "ANOTHER
JESUS."

Is Donna Kupp's Jesus YOUR Jesus? Is her Jesus the Jesus of
Scripture?

While Donna Kupp just made a number of statements sound like something a
real Christian might make, we cannot make a judgment whether she is or
is not a true Christian based only on what she just posted here. We must
determine if she really teaches the same Jesus REAL Christians follow by
looking at statements she, herself, has made about Christ in the past,
that she may not throw out on a regular basis, because she knows it
reveals what she REALLY thinks about Christ.

So what does she actually say about the Jesus she follows, and
supposedly places faith in?

This...
"In the beginning was Jesus
and Jesus was with THE RULER,
and Jesus was Ruler.
The same was in the beginning with THE RULER."
John was teaching that Jesus was our Ruler (our theos) and that
Jesus was with the Father from the very beginning of creation.
(Not that Jesus was one third of some mysterious and mind-
boggling "Trinity" that no one had ever heard of.)
We can stop right there. Donna Kupp, denying the deity of Christ,
rewrites the Gospel of John in a manner that affirms that denial, so we
can either change all our Bibles to her new trenslation that "proves"
Jesus is NOT fully God, but some other sort of created lesser being, or
we can allow the sacred words of the apostle John to stand AS WRITTEN!

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the WORD
WAS GOD.

So we see her Jesus is ANOTHER JESUS that orthodox Protestants and
Evangelicals (and Catholics) DO NOT believe in.

For US, Jesus is God in flesh, fully God and fully man, and 2nd Person
of the Trinity she goes on to mock and deny.


2. Next, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach or operate under
a "DIFFERENT SPIRIT".

Does Donna Kupp teach and receive anoining by the same Holy Spirit that
REAL Christians follow?

Judge for yourself by her own words.
The concept that the Holy Spirit is God is based on a single verse in
Acts (5:3) where it says that Ananias lied to the Holy Spirit - and
later it says that he lied to God.
To conclude that the Holy Spirit is God on the basis of those verses is
merely an interpretation which adds to what is actually written. Since
the Spirit is the means of communciation between God and man, if you
lie to the Spirit you are in effect lying to God. Are there any verses
which actually say that the Holy Spirit is God?
Not one!
Jesus did not teach the Trinity, the apostles did not teach it, and it
was not taught by church leaders for three hundred years after the
death of Christ.
All REAL Christians believe not only in the deity of Christ, but also
the Godhood of the Holy Spirit. As we see from her own words, Donna
Kupp denies those two essentials of the faith, and proclaims the Holy
Spirit is only some nebulous "means of communication between God and
man"

So now we see she has fulfilled the SECOND warning of Paul--she has
A DIFFERENT SPIRIT than REAL Christians do.

By the way, her LIES about the history of the Trinity are instantly
refutable:

The deity of Christ was EXPLICITLY taught by Ignatius in the early 2nd
century

"To the Church at Ephesus in Asia . . . chosen through true suffering by
the will of the Father in Jesus Christ our God"
"FOR OUR GOD, Jesus Christ, was conceived by Mary in accord with God�s
plan: of the seed of David, it is true, but also of the Holy Spirit"

Letter to the Ephesians 1 110 AD
There is no record of the co-equal, co-eternal, three-in-one God
being taught by a single one of the early church fathers. It
was not a part of Christian teaching until it was formulated by the
Second Ecumenical Council at Constantinople in 381.A.D.
"No record"?


For the Church, although dispersed throughout the whole world even to
the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and from their
disciples the faith in one God, the Father Almighty . . . and in one
Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who became flesh for our salvation; and in
the Holy Spirit

Irenaeus, before 200 AD

And at the same time the mystery of the oikonomia is safeguarded, for
the unity is distributed in a TRINITY. Placed in order, the three are
the Father, Son, and Spirit. They are three, however, not in condition,
but in degree; not in being, but in form; not in power, but in kind; of
one being, however, and one condition and one power, because he is one
God of whom degrees and forms and kinds are taken into account in the
name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit"

Tertullian "Against Praxeas" early 200s AD

For Scripture as much announces Christ AS ALSO GOD, as it announces God
himself as man. It has as much described Jesus Christ to be man, as
moreover it has also described Christ the Lord to be God. Because it
does not set forth him to be the Son of God only, but also the son of
man; nor does it only say, the son of man, but it has also been
accustomed to speak of him as the Son of God. So that being of both, he
is both, lest if he should be one only, he could not be the other. For
as nature itself has prescribed that he must be believed to be a man who
is of man, so the same nature prescribes also that he must be believed
to be God who is of God. . . . Let them, therefore, who read that Jesus
Christ the son of man is man, read also that this same Jesus is called
also God and the Son of God"

Novatian, Treatise on the Trinity 11 235 AD

And now the capstone to Kupp's historial and TEXTUAL illiteracy:

The Lord says: 'I and the Father are one.' And again of the Father and
Son and the Holy Spirit it is written: 'And these three are one'.
Cyprian --Treatise 1 on the unity of the Catholic Church, chapter 6,
early 3rd century, PROVING THE LEGITIMACY OF THE COMMA JOHANNEUM KUPP
(and other historical illiterates) SAY IS A FRAUD.


3. The minister of Satan will also teach "ANOTHER GOSPEL."

Does Donna Kupp uphold the CHRISTIAN gospel? We've already seen she
denies and perverts the nature of Jesus Himself and the precious Holy
Spirit. But what is her actual gospel message? She talks about
obedience, and making Jesus Lord...but what does she really believe
about sin, justification, and sanctification? Does she ever lay out her
beliefs in clear language so the body of Christ can see and judge
whether she is or is not a fellow believer?

Yes!
To be saved is the first step in the process of salvation. Those who
are saved do not have eternal life -
Did you get that? THOSE WHO ARE SAVED ___DO NOT___HAVE ETERNAL LIFE!!!

LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

jn 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, HATH eternal life;
and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name
of the Son of God; that YE MAY KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that
ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of
yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
"If one who is born of God has truly repented of committing sin
(chosen to cease from sin) and then deliberately commits sin he has
despised the Holy Spirit, just as the OT the Israelites despised the
Law of God. It is blasphemy!"
"When we are converted all past sins are forgiven. After a person is
born-again, only sins of ignorance are forgiven. If a person sins
with knowledge and intent after that time, they have blasphemed
the Holy Spirit and there is no more sacrifice for sin. See Hebrews
6:1-8; Hebrews 10:26-31."
LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves
are ALSO FOUND SINNERS, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God
forbid.

Apparently, paul understood that even those justified in Christ STILL
SINNED!

Are we sure? Well, let's again test the doctrine of donna kupp by Paul's
own words, written in the last months of his life:

1 tim 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation,
that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I AM
CHIEF.

Wait a minute--I thought Donna said any Christian who willingly commits
even ONE SIN is eternally damned!

Apparently, paul did not realize this when he acknowledged he was the
WORST of sinners in 67 AD when he wrote this, 30+ years after finding
Christ! Thus, he must have been guilty of blaspheming the spirit
according to false teachers harold and donna kupp

What else did Paul have to say about whether Christians do or do not
commit sin in romans 7?

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing:
for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I
find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: BUT THE EVIL WHICH I WOULD NOT,
____THAT I DO___.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin
that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with
me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my
mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my
members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this
death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I
myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Does THAT sound like a man who has reached the state of sinless
perfection like Donna Kupp, who claims any sin she commits is 100%
accidental and unintentional??????

And this is her ultimate blasphemy regarding the blood of Christ...
Blood of Christ covers: 1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light,
as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the
blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. (Only sins
of ignorance)
Notice how donna kupp added the words "Only sins of ignorance" to
pervert John's words? Just as she did with the powerful passage in John
1:1, she rejects the message and inserts her own heretical words flat
out CONTRADICTING what was actually written! John says Christ's blood
cleanses us from ALL sin; Donna adds words to change it to all
UNINTENTIONAL sins, making the blood of Christ LIMITED in its ability to
atone for sin.

Kupp also has missed what Jesus said about how imperfect His followers
will always be:

Luke 4:4 And FORGIVE US OUR SINS; for we also forgive every one that is
indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from
evil.

Meanwhile, THIS is God's true message of salvation:

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become
the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

And while Donna Kupp blasphemes the gospel by claiming we keep--and
actually earn--our salvation through keeping the 10 commandments
perfectly, here is what the SCRIPTURE says about how we stay in right
standing security with God:

1 peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a
lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not
away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 WHO ARE KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD __THROUGH FAITH__ UNTO SALVATION
ready to be revealed in the last time.

So now we see her "gospel" IS NOT the gospel of the New testament. It is
a false gospel that...

A. Requires Bible verses to be rewritten in a heretical manner.
B. Requires adding a clarification to Scripture that TOTALLY overturns
what the Scripture actually SAYS.
C. Must deny the deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit.
D. Requires remaining in a state of salvation by keeping the 10
commandments PERFECTLY, or else the person is now damned without
possibility of repentance.
E. Blasphemes and limits the atoning power of Christ's blood to
"Only sins of ignorance."


4. As we noted, Paul says the MINISTER OF SATAN will actually appear to
be a MINISTER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS! That is what makes them so deceptive.
They are serpents in the guise of sheep, preaching righteous living and
'keeping God's holy law' while in their hearts is satan himself, drawing
people away from TRUE righteousness, to a perverted notion of it based
on keeping commandments!

Take a look at Donna Kupp's deceptive posts, including this one. Every
one touts the keeping of biblical commandments, threatens people with
damnation for failing to keep biblical commandments, and threatenes them
with damnation if anyone should ever--EVEN ONE TIME--willingly BREAK a
biblical commandment.

So Kupp APPEARS to be preaching the righteousness of 'keeping God's holy
commandments'...yet she does it in a way that is an UTTER PERVERSION of
the gospel of grace, and comes right from the mouth of satan speaking
good things, and making her LOOK like a minister of righetousness.

So, summing it up, Paul says that a minister of satan will...

Preach another Jesus...
Preach under another spirit...
Preach a different gospel...
While appearing to be a minister of righteousness while doing so!

I believe Donna Kupp meets ALL FOUR CRITERIA.

Based on the totality of her teachings, I see no conclusion other than
that the "Jesus" she follows is a demon spirit, and the "Yahweh" she
speaks for is actually SATAN.


I am dead to the law by the crucified body of Christ. Are you?
dolf
2012-05-31 18:50:41 UTC
Permalink
You have made yourself a casualty of war!
vince garcia
2012-05-31 19:24:56 UTC
Permalink
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

--Apostle paul
A thousand may pray until their knees are bloody, but if they are not
keeping His Commandments, God says their prayer is an abomination to
Him. Yet the prayers of one one man who abides in Him can change the
"The effectual fervent prayer of a RIGHTEOUS man availeth much."
James 5:16 KJV
“Little children, let no one deceive you. He who DOES RIGHT is
RIGHTEOUS.” 1 John 3:7 RSV
Sounds good, doesn't it? SOUNDS like something a believer in Christ
might really say.

But what is the truth behind what Donna Kupp teaches and believes?

How can we know if this woman is of God or actually a false teacher when
she speaks?

Paul gives us the answer:

2 cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve
through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the
simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not
preached, or if ye receive ANOTHER SPIRIT, which ye have not received,
or ANOTHER GOSPEL, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with
him.

2 cor 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming
themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of
light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed
as the MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS; whose end shall be according to their
works.

Donna Kupp, for those who do not know, is a woman preaching a false
gospel with a false Christ that denies virtually every possible
essential of the Christian faith.

Note here paul's words about false teachers: they will actually be
"MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS"!!!!! Not antinomians, teaching lawlessness
and freedom to sin, but MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, teaching an
apparently good-sounding Gospel that is actually ANOTHER GOSPEL about
ANOTHER JESUS!

Let us test Donna Kupp's own words against the doctrines of
the New Testament and the Christian church, and see if we can determine
whether she is a servant of God, or actually a minister of Satan!

1. First, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach "ANOTHER
JESUS."

Is Donna Kupp's Jesus YOUR Jesus? Is her Jesus the Jesus of
Scripture?

While Donna Kupp just made a number of statements sound like something a
real Christian might make, we cannot make a judgment whether she is or
is not a true Christian based only on what she just posted here. We must
determine if she really teaches the same Jesus REAL Christians follow by
looking at statements she, herself, has made about Christ in the past,
that she may not throw out on a regular basis, because she knows it
reveals what she REALLY thinks about Christ.

So what does she actually say about the Jesus she follows, and
supposedly places faith in?

This...
"In the beginning was Jesus
and Jesus was with THE RULER,
and Jesus was Ruler.
The same was in the beginning with THE RULER."
John was teaching that Jesus was our Ruler (our theos) and that
Jesus was with the Father from the very beginning of creation.
(Not that Jesus was one third of some mysterious and mind-
boggling "Trinity" that no one had ever heard of.)
We can stop right there. Donna Kupp, denying the deity of Christ,
rewrites the Gospel of John in a manner that affirms that denial, so we
can either change all our Bibles to her new trenslation that "proves"
Jesus is NOT fully God, but some other sort of created lesser being, or
we can allow the sacred words of the apostle John to stand AS WRITTEN!

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the WORD
WAS GOD.

So we see her Jesus is ANOTHER JESUS that orthodox Protestants and
Evangelicals (and Catholics) DO NOT believe in.

For US, Jesus is God in flesh, fully God and fully man, and 2nd Person
of the Trinity she goes on to mock and deny.


2. Next, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach or operate under
a "DIFFERENT SPIRIT".

Does Donna Kupp teach and receive anoining by the same Holy Spirit that
REAL Christians follow?

Judge for yourself by her own words.
The concept that the Holy Spirit is God is based on a single verse in
Acts (5:3) where it says that Ananias lied to the Holy Spirit - and
later it says that he lied to God.
To conclude that the Holy Spirit is God on the basis of those verses is
merely an interpretation which adds to what is actually written. Since
the Spirit is the means of communciation between God and man, if you
lie to the Spirit you are in effect lying to God. Are there any verses
which actually say that the Holy Spirit is God?
Not one!
Jesus did not teach the Trinity, the apostles did not teach it, and it
was not taught by church leaders for three hundred years after the
death of Christ.
All REAL Christians believe not only in the deity of Christ, but also
the Godhood of the Holy Spirit. As we see from her own words, Donna
Kupp denies those two essentials of the faith, and proclaims the Holy
Spirit is only some nebulous "means of communication between God and
man"

So now we see she has fulfilled the SECOND warning of Paul--she has
A DIFFERENT SPIRIT than REAL Christians do.

By the way, her LIES about the history of the Trinity are instantly
refutable:

The deity of Christ was EXPLICITLY taught by Ignatius in the early 2nd
century

"To the Church at Ephesus in Asia . . . chosen through true suffering by
the will of the Father in Jesus Christ our God"
"FOR OUR GOD, Jesus Christ, was conceived by Mary in accord with God�s
plan: of the seed of David, it is true, but also of the Holy Spirit"

Letter to the Ephesians 1 110 AD
There is no record of the co-equal, co-eternal, three-in-one God
being taught by a single one of the early church fathers. It
was not a part of Christian teaching until it was formulated by the
Second Ecumenical Council at Constantinople in 381.A.D.
"No record"?


For the Church, although dispersed throughout the whole world even to
the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and from their
disciples the faith in one God, the Father Almighty . . . and in one
Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who became flesh for our salvation; and in
the Holy Spirit

Irenaeus, before 200 AD

And at the same time the mystery of the oikonomia is safeguarded, for
the unity is distributed in a TRINITY. Placed in order, the three are
the Father, Son, and Spirit. They are three, however, not in condition,
but in degree; not in being, but in form; not in power, but in kind; of
one being, however, and one condition and one power, because he is one
God of whom degrees and forms and kinds are taken into account in the
name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit"

Tertullian "Against Praxeas" early 200s AD

For Scripture as much announces Christ AS ALSO GOD, as it announces God
himself as man. It has as much described Jesus Christ to be man, as
moreover it has also described Christ the Lord to be God. Because it
does not set forth him to be the Son of God only, but also the son of
man; nor does it only say, the son of man, but it has also been
accustomed to speak of him as the Son of God. So that being of both, he
is both, lest if he should be one only, he could not be the other. For
as nature itself has prescribed that he must be believed to be a man who
is of man, so the same nature prescribes also that he must be believed
to be God who is of God. . . . Let them, therefore, who read that Jesus
Christ the son of man is man, read also that this same Jesus is called
also God and the Son of God"

Novatian, Treatise on the Trinity 11 235 AD

And now the capstone to Kupp's historial and TEXTUAL illiteracy:

The Lord says: 'I and the Father are one.' And again of the Father and
Son and the Holy Spirit it is written: 'And these three are one'.
Cyprian --Treatise 1 on the unity of the Catholic Church, chapter 6,
early 3rd century, PROVING THE LEGITIMACY OF THE COMMA JOHANNEUM KUPP
(and other historical illiterates) SAY IS A FRAUD.


3. The minister of Satan will also teach "ANOTHER GOSPEL."

Does Donna Kupp uphold the CHRISTIAN gospel? We've already seen she
denies and perverts the nature of Jesus Himself and the precious Holy
Spirit. But what is her actual gospel message? She talks about
obedience, and making Jesus Lord...but what does she really believe
about sin, justification, and sanctification? Does she ever lay out her
beliefs in clear language so the body of Christ can see and judge
whether she is or is not a fellow believer?

Yes!
To be saved is the first step in the process of salvation. Those who
are saved do not have eternal life -
Did you get that? THOSE WHO ARE SAVED ___DO NOT___HAVE ETERNAL LIFE!!!

LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

jn 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, HATH eternal life;
and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name
of the Son of God; that YE MAY KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that
ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of
yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
"If one who is born of God has truly repented of committing sin
(chosen to cease from sin) and then deliberately commits sin he has
despised the Holy Spirit, just as the OT the Israelites despised the
Law of God. It is blasphemy!"
"When we are converted all past sins are forgiven. After a person is
born-again, only sins of ignorance are forgiven. If a person sins
with knowledge and intent after that time, they have blasphemed
the Holy Spirit and there is no more sacrifice for sin. See Hebrews
6:1-8; Hebrews 10:26-31."
LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves
are ALSO FOUND SINNERS, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God
forbid.

Apparently, paul understood that even those justified in Christ STILL
SINNED!

Are we sure? Well, let's again test the doctrine of donna kupp by Paul's
own words, written in the last months of his life:

1 tim 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation,
that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I AM
CHIEF.

Wait a minute--I thought Donna said any Christian who willingly commits
even ONE SIN is eternally damned!

Apparently, paul did not realize this when he acknowledged he was the
WORST of sinners in 67 AD when he wrote this, 30+ years after finding
Christ! Thus, he must have been guilty of blaspheming the spirit
according to false teachers harold and donna kupp

What else did Paul have to say about whether Christians do or do not
commit sin in romans 7?

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing:
for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I
find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: BUT THE EVIL WHICH I WOULD NOT,
____THAT I DO___.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin
that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with
me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my
mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my
members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this
death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I
myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Does THAT sound like a man who has reached the state of sinless
perfection like Donna Kupp, who claims any sin she commits is 100%
accidental and unintentional??????

And this is her ultimate blasphemy regarding the blood of Christ...
Blood of Christ covers: 1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light,
as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the
blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. (Only sins
of ignorance)
Notice how donna kupp added the words "Only sins of ignorance" to
pervert John's words? Just as she did with the powerful passage in John
1:1, she rejects the message and inserts her own heretical words flat
out CONTRADICTING what was actually written! John says Christ's blood
cleanses us from ALL sin; Donna adds words to change it to all
UNINTENTIONAL sins, making the blood of Christ LIMITED in its ability to
atone for sin.

Kupp also has missed what Jesus said about how imperfect His followers
will always be:

Luke 4:4 And FORGIVE US OUR SINS; for we also forgive every one that is
indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from
evil.

Meanwhile, THIS is God's true message of salvation:

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become
the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

And while Donna Kupp blasphemes the gospel by claiming we keep--and
actually earn--our salvation through keeping the 10 commandments
perfectly, here is what the SCRIPTURE says about how we stay in right
standing security with God:

1 peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a
lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not
away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 WHO ARE KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD __THROUGH FAITH__ UNTO SALVATION
ready to be revealed in the last time.

So now we see her "gospel" IS NOT the gospel of the New testament. It is
a false gospel that...

A. Requires Bible verses to be rewritten in a heretical manner.
B. Requires adding a clarification to Scripture that TOTALLY overturns
what the Scripture actually SAYS.
C. Must deny the deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit.
D. Requires remaining in a state of salvation by keeping the 10
commandments PERFECTLY, or else the person is now damned without
possibility of repentance.
E. Blasphemes and limits the atoning power of Christ's blood to
"Only sins of ignorance."


4. As we noted, Paul says the MINISTER OF SATAN will actually appear to
be a MINISTER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS! That is what makes them so deceptive.
They are serpents in the guise of sheep, preaching righteous living and
'keeping God's holy law' while in their hearts is satan himself, drawing
people away from TRUE righteousness, to a perverted notion of it based
on keeping commandments!

Take a look at Donna Kupp's deceptive posts, including this one. Every
one touts the keeping of biblical commandments, threatens people with
damnation for failing to keep biblical commandments, and threatenes them
with damnation if anyone should ever--EVEN ONE TIME--willingly BREAK a
biblical commandment.

So Kupp APPEARS to be preaching the righteousness of 'keeping God's holy
commandments'...yet she does it in a way that is an UTTER PERVERSION of
the gospel of grace, and comes right from the mouth of satan speaking
good things, and making her LOOK like a minister of righetousness.

So, summing it up, Paul says that a minister of satan will...

Preach another Jesus...
Preach under another spirit...
Preach a different gospel...
While appearing to be a minister of righteousness while doing so!

I believe Donna Kupp meets ALL FOUR CRITERIA.

Based on the totality of her teachings, I see no conclusion other than
that the "Jesus" she follows is a demon spirit, and the "Yahweh" she
speaks for is actually SATAN.


I am dead to the law by the crucified body of Christ. Are you?
dolf
2012-05-31 20:11:10 UTC
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vince garcia
2012-06-02 11:14:27 UTC
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As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

--Apostle paul
A thousand may pray until their knees are bloody, but if they are not
keeping His Commandments, God says their prayer is an abomination to
Him. Yet the prayers of one one man who abides in Him can change the
"The effectual fervent prayer of a RIGHTEOUS man availeth much."
James 5:16 KJV
“Little children, let no one deceive you. He who DOES RIGHT is
RIGHTEOUS.” 1 John 3:7 RSV
Sounds good, doesn't it? SOUNDS like something a believer in Christ
might really say.

But what is the truth behind what Donna Kupp teaches and believes?

How can we know if this woman is of God or actually a false teacher when
she speaks?

Paul gives us the answer:

2 cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve
through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the
simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not
preached, or if ye receive ANOTHER SPIRIT, which ye have not received,
or ANOTHER GOSPEL, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with
him.

2 cor 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming
themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of
light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed
as the MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS; whose end shall be according to their
works.

Donna Kupp, for those who do not know, is a woman preaching a false
gospel with a false Christ that denies virtually every possible
essential of the Christian faith.

Note here paul's words about false teachers: they will actually be
"MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS"!!!!! Not antinomians, teaching lawlessness
and freedom to sin, but MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, teaching an
apparently good-sounding Gospel that is actually ANOTHER GOSPEL about
ANOTHER JESUS!

Let us test Donna Kupp's own words against the doctrines of
the New Testament and the Christian church, and see if we can determine
whether she is a servant of God, or actually a minister of Satan!

1. First, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach "ANOTHER
JESUS."

Is Donna Kupp's Jesus YOUR Jesus? Is her Jesus the Jesus of
Scripture?

While Donna Kupp just made a number of statements sound like something a
real Christian might make, we cannot make a judgment whether she is or
is not a true Christian based only on what she just posted here. We must
determine if she really teaches the same Jesus REAL Christians follow by
looking at statements she, herself, has made about Christ in the past,
that she may not throw out on a regular basis, because she knows it
reveals what she REALLY thinks about Christ.

So what does she actually say about the Jesus she follows, and
supposedly places faith in?

This...
"In the beginning was Jesus
and Jesus was with THE RULER,
and Jesus was Ruler.
The same was in the beginning with THE RULER."
John was teaching that Jesus was our Ruler (our theos) and that
Jesus was with the Father from the very beginning of creation.
(Not that Jesus was one third of some mysterious and mind-
boggling "Trinity" that no one had ever heard of.)
We can stop right there. Donna Kupp, denying the deity of Christ,
rewrites the Gospel of John in a manner that affirms that denial, so we
can either change all our Bibles to her new trenslation that "proves"
Jesus is NOT fully God, but some other sort of created lesser being, or
we can allow the sacred words of the apostle John to stand AS WRITTEN!

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the WORD
WAS GOD.

So we see her Jesus is ANOTHER JESUS that orthodox Protestants and
Evangelicals (and Catholics) DO NOT believe in.

For US, Jesus is God in flesh, fully God and fully man, and 2nd Person
of the Trinity she goes on to mock and deny.


2. Next, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach or operate under
a "DIFFERENT SPIRIT".

Does Donna Kupp teach and receive anoining by the same Holy Spirit that
REAL Christians follow?

Judge for yourself by her own words.
The concept that the Holy Spirit is God is based on a single verse in
Acts (5:3) where it says that Ananias lied to the Holy Spirit - and
later it says that he lied to God.
To conclude that the Holy Spirit is God on the basis of those verses is
merely an interpretation which adds to what is actually written. Since
the Spirit is the means of communciation between God and man, if you
lie to the Spirit you are in effect lying to God. Are there any verses
which actually say that the Holy Spirit is God?
Not one!
Jesus did not teach the Trinity, the apostles did not teach it, and it
was not taught by church leaders for three hundred years after the
death of Christ.
All REAL Christians believe not only in the deity of Christ, but also
the Godhood of the Holy Spirit. As we see from her own words, Donna
Kupp denies those two essentials of the faith, and proclaims the Holy
Spirit is only some nebulous "means of communication between God and
man"

So now we see she has fulfilled the SECOND warning of Paul--she has
A DIFFERENT SPIRIT than REAL Christians do.

By the way, her LIES about the history of the Trinity are instantly
refutable:

The deity of Christ was EXPLICITLY taught by Ignatius in the early 2nd
century

"To the Church at Ephesus in Asia . . . chosen through true suffering by
the will of the Father in Jesus Christ our God"
"FOR OUR GOD, Jesus Christ, was conceived by Mary in accord with God�s
plan: of the seed of David, it is true, but also of the Holy Spirit"

Letter to the Ephesians 1 110 AD
There is no record of the co-equal, co-eternal, three-in-one God
being taught by a single one of the early church fathers. It
was not a part of Christian teaching until it was formulated by the
Second Ecumenical Council at Constantinople in 381.A.D.
"No record"?


For the Church, although dispersed throughout the whole world even to
the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and from their
disciples the faith in one God, the Father Almighty . . . and in one
Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who became flesh for our salvation; and in
the Holy Spirit

Irenaeus, before 200 AD

And at the same time the mystery of the oikonomia is safeguarded, for
the unity is distributed in a TRINITY. Placed in order, the three are
the Father, Son, and Spirit. They are three, however, not in condition,
but in degree; not in being, but in form; not in power, but in kind; of
one being, however, and one condition and one power, because he is one
God of whom degrees and forms and kinds are taken into account in the
name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit"

Tertullian "Against Praxeas" early 200s AD

For Scripture as much announces Christ AS ALSO GOD, as it announces God
himself as man. It has as much described Jesus Christ to be man, as
moreover it has also described Christ the Lord to be God. Because it
does not set forth him to be the Son of God only, but also the son of
man; nor does it only say, the son of man, but it has also been
accustomed to speak of him as the Son of God. So that being of both, he
is both, lest if he should be one only, he could not be the other. For
as nature itself has prescribed that he must be believed to be a man who
is of man, so the same nature prescribes also that he must be believed
to be God who is of God. . . . Let them, therefore, who read that Jesus
Christ the son of man is man, read also that this same Jesus is called
also God and the Son of God"

Novatian, Treatise on the Trinity 11 235 AD

And now the capstone to Kupp's historial and TEXTUAL illiteracy:

The Lord says: 'I and the Father are one.' And again of the Father and
Son and the Holy Spirit it is written: 'And these three are one'.
Cyprian --Treatise 1 on the unity of the Catholic Church, chapter 6,
early 3rd century, PROVING THE LEGITIMACY OF THE COMMA JOHANNEUM KUPP
(and other historical illiterates) SAY IS A FRAUD.


3. The minister of Satan will also teach "ANOTHER GOSPEL."

Does Donna Kupp uphold the CHRISTIAN gospel? We've already seen she
denies and perverts the nature of Jesus Himself and the precious Holy
Spirit. But what is her actual gospel message? She talks about
obedience, and making Jesus Lord...but what does she really believe
about sin, justification, and sanctification? Does she ever lay out her
beliefs in clear language so the body of Christ can see and judge
whether she is or is not a fellow believer?

Yes!
To be saved is the first step in the process of salvation. Those who
are saved do not have eternal life -
Did you get that? THOSE WHO ARE SAVED ___DO NOT___HAVE ETERNAL LIFE!!!

LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

jn 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, HATH eternal life;
and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name
of the Son of God; that YE MAY KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that
ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of
yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
"If one who is born of God has truly repented of committing sin
(chosen to cease from sin) and then deliberately commits sin he has
despised the Holy Spirit, just as the OT the Israelites despised the
Law of God. It is blasphemy!"
"When we are converted all past sins are forgiven. After a person is
born-again, only sins of ignorance are forgiven. If a person sins
with knowledge and intent after that time, they have blasphemed
the Holy Spirit and there is no more sacrifice for sin. See Hebrews
6:1-8; Hebrews 10:26-31."
LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves
are ALSO FOUND SINNERS, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God
forbid.

Apparently, paul understood that even those justified in Christ STILL
SINNED!

Are we sure? Well, let's again test the doctrine of donna kupp by Paul's
own words, written in the last months of his life:

1 tim 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation,
that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I AM
CHIEF.

Wait a minute--I thought Donna said any Christian who willingly commits
even ONE SIN is eternally damned!

Apparently, paul did not realize this when he acknowledged he was the
WORST of sinners in 67 AD when he wrote this, 30+ years after finding
Christ! Thus, he must have been guilty of blaspheming the spirit
according to false teachers harold and donna kupp

What else did Paul have to say about whether Christians do or do not
commit sin in romans 7?

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing:
for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I
find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: BUT THE EVIL WHICH I WOULD NOT,
____THAT I DO___.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin
that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with
me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my
mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my
members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this
death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I
myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Does THAT sound like a man who has reached the state of sinless
perfection like Donna Kupp, who claims any sin she commits is 100%
accidental and unintentional??????

And this is her ultimate blasphemy regarding the blood of Christ...
Blood of Christ covers: 1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light,
as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the
blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. (Only sins
of ignorance)
Notice how donna kupp added the words "Only sins of ignorance" to
pervert John's words? Just as she did with the powerful passage in John
1:1, she rejects the message and inserts her own heretical words flat
out CONTRADICTING what was actually written! John says Christ's blood
cleanses us from ALL sin; Donna adds words to change it to all
UNINTENTIONAL sins, making the blood of Christ LIMITED in its ability to
atone for sin.

Kupp also has missed what Jesus said about how imperfect His followers
will always be:

Luke 4:4 And FORGIVE US OUR SINS; for we also forgive every one that is
indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from
evil.

Meanwhile, THIS is God's true message of salvation:

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become
the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

And while Donna Kupp blasphemes the gospel by claiming we keep--and
actually earn--our salvation through keeping the 10 commandments
perfectly, here is what the SCRIPTURE says about how we stay in right
standing security with God:

1 peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a
lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not
away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 WHO ARE KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD __THROUGH FAITH__ UNTO SALVATION
ready to be revealed in the last time.

So now we see her "gospel" IS NOT the gospel of the New testament. It is
a false gospel that...

A. Requires Bible verses to be rewritten in a heretical manner.
B. Requires adding a clarification to Scripture that TOTALLY overturns
what the Scripture actually SAYS.
C. Must deny the deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit.
D. Requires remaining in a state of salvation by keeping the 10
commandments PERFECTLY, or else the person is now damned without
possibility of repentance.
E. Blasphemes and limits the atoning power of Christ's blood to
"Only sins of ignorance."


4. As we noted, Paul says the MINISTER OF SATAN will actually appear to
be a MINISTER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS! That is what makes them so deceptive.
They are serpents in the guise of sheep, preaching righteous living and
'keeping God's holy law' while in their hearts is satan himself, drawing
people away from TRUE righteousness, to a perverted notion of it based
on keeping commandments!

Take a look at Donna Kupp's deceptive posts, including this one. Every
one touts the keeping of biblical commandments, threatens people with
damnation for failing to keep biblical commandments, and threatenes them
with damnation if anyone should ever--EVEN ONE TIME--willingly BREAK a
biblical commandment.

So Kupp APPEARS to be preaching the righteousness of 'keeping God's holy
commandments'...yet she does it in a way that is an UTTER PERVERSION of
the gospel of grace, and comes right from the mouth of satan speaking
good things, and making her LOOK like a minister of righetousness.

So, summing it up, Paul says that a minister of satan will...

Preach another Jesus...
Preach under another spirit...
Preach a different gospel...
While appearing to be a minister of righteousness while doing so!

I believe Donna Kupp meets ALL FOUR CRITERIA.

Based on the totality of her teachings, I see no conclusion other than
that the "Jesus" she follows is a demon spirit, and the "Yahweh" she
speaks for is actually SATAN.


I am dead to the law by the crucified body of Christ. Are you?
dolf
2012-06-02 04:37:19 UTC
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Happy Sabbath day!

The Godless can ignore that message--they know who they are!

Perverse tongues.
Late Friday night start, long quarters, massive crowd (it actually
looked like 49,000 there last night) and those annoying building
works around the main entrance of the venue that have significantly
constricted the main pathway to the station and Spencer Street.
Add in the close finish which meant that almost everyone stayed until
the final siren and the result was a very slow emptying of the joint
with tens of thousands making their way to Southern Cross station
arriving there way after the match had finished.
By the time a lot of people got to the station ALL the football
special trains had already gone and the platforms were packed with
people forced to wait for services on the "normal" Saturday night
timetable - like 30 minute waits for trains on most lines and other
people forced to use them to get to Flinders Street for another 30
minute wait.
End result was that thousands would have got home after midnight
(like me - and I am just 10Km from the city!). If you ever go to a
Friday night fixture at that venue by public transport, be prepared
to be dicked around by a system that doesn't allow for large crowds
or late finishes - something that anyone taking kids will have to
really consider.
Did you see the rainbow sash, stashed in a cube all forlorn in the
Bathroom--my prize possession lost to scorn, waiting for deceit, lying
tongues, like a tiger set on fire: wicked hey?
For Richmond supporters.
Pox Footy is on the bandwagon.
Most of us have seen it all before and know that most in the media
are just sharpening their knives behind their backs just waiting for
the fall so they can plunge them in (again).
When that snake Walls started praising us this week then the
paranoia levels reached Defcon 2.
The same goes for Ikonic's latest sin--he's just expressing a hymenalism
by the child image graffiti!

- Loading Image...

Who's side are you on Ikon? Not the Queen's, Not Mine!

I wouldn't tolerate a nazi swatsika--why would I like a Ikon Graffiti?

Similar 'Saddam' head graffiti as psychological distress was stenciled
all around North Melbourne and was the cause for my selling up and
leaving my house I'd built there.

After the butcher asked me how I enjoyed the sausages, I told him before
witnesses that I was going to fix that graffiti who seemed to be
following me about and was going to turn the world on that IkonicSin as
graffiti outside the butcher shop where I have a met with the locals as
his award winning barbecued sausages and sauce each Saturday morning as
only participation with the local community.

And can on this Queen's Jubilee Day be entirely and irrevocably be
considered fascist and antagonistic to the sovereign autonomy.

Nous: #7
Time: 07:50 hrs
Date: 2012.7.19
Torah: #6 #300 #200 %81 = #20
Dao: Intentional Reversal, Dimming Radiance
Tetra: #56 - Closed Mouth
I-Ching: H12 - Stagnation

Latin: Adorandus {Just God} Alt: Kahtiel {Weariness of Signs of God} {
1. AIDS AGAINST FALSE, UNJUST ACCUSATIONS
2. JUSTICE, NOBILIY, MAGISTRATES & LAWYERS
3. THE WORD
4. Thumis
}

Jesse {Gift; oblation; one who is}

Mirror mirror on the wall,
This pricks about to fall.
The names he doth call
So makes his downfall
Bygone wherefore all.

"For I heard the defaming of many, fear on every side. Report, say they,
and we will report it. All my familiars watched for my halting, saying,
Peradventure he will be enticed, and we shall prevail against him, and
we shall take our revenge {neqamah-vengeance [H5360]: #197} on him."
[Jeremiah 20:10]

- http://www.grapple369.com/grapple.html?zen:3,row:3:col:2

***@zen: 3, row: 3, col: 2, nous: 7 [Time: 0752 hrs, Super: #400 /
#33 - Achievable Goals, Virtue of Discrimination; I-Ching: H9 - Minor
Restraint; Tetra: 35 - Gathering, Ego: #361 / #7 - Intentional Reversal,
Dimming Radiance; I-Ching: H12 - Stagnation; Tetra: 56 - Closed Mouth]

Mirror mirror on the wall,

@memeBrain [Telos: #1642, Super: #25 - What's behind it all?, Imaging
the Mysterious; I-Ching: H62 - Small Excess; Tetra: 10 - Defectiveness,
Distortion, Ego: #22 - Point to Reversal?, Humility's Increase; I-Ching:
H8 - Seeking Unity; Tetra: 34 - Kinship]

MALE IDEA

#10, #7, #8 = zachach (H2118): 1) to remove, displace; 1a) (Niphal) to
be removed, be loosened, be displaced;

#8, #9, #8 = ethos (G2239): 1) a customary abode, dwelling place, haunt,
customary state; 2) custom, usage, morals, character;

FEMALE IDEA

#1, #6, #10, #5 = 'owyah (H190): 1) woe!;

#6, #1, #7, #6, #2 = 'ezowb (H231): 1) hyssop, a plant used for
medicinal and religious purposes;

#6, #4, #5, #2, #5 = dehab (Aramaic) (H1722): 1) gold;

#2, #8, #2, #10 = chob (H2243): 1) bosom;

This pricks about to fall.

@memeBrain [Telos: #1499, Super: #35 - Great Guiding Signs?, Virtue of
Benevolence; I-Ching: H17 - Allegiance; Tetra: 19 - Following, Ego: #41
- Playing with Reversal, Sameness in Difference; I-Ching: H26 -
Restraining Force; Tetra: 60 - Accumulation]

MALE IDEA

#6, #1, #2, #50, #1 = 'eben (Aramaic) (H69): 1) stone; 1a) a (the)
stone; 1b) stone, material of idols and buildings;

#2, #1, #5, #2, #10, #40 = 'ohab (H159): 1) loved object; 2) (TWOT) love;

#1, #8, #10, #1, #40 = 'Achiyam (H279): 1) one of David's warriors (heroes);

#30, #1, #20, #7, #2 = 'akzab (H391): 1) deceitful, treacherous,
deception, lie, deceptive, disappointing;

FEMALE IDEA

#4, #6, #50, #3 = downag (H1749): 1) wax (always figurative 'of melting');

#5, #7, #10, #30, #6, #5 = zuwl (H2107): 1) (Qal) to pour out, lavish;
2) (Hiphil) despise;

#40, #8, #6, #9 = chuwt (H2339): 1) a thread, cord, line, string; #8,

#30, #20, #5 = cheleka' (H2489): 1) hapless, poor, unfortunate person;

#6, #10, #2, #40, #5 = yabam (H2992): 1) (Piel) to perform levirate
marriage, perform the duty of a brother-in-law; 1a) the duty due to a
brother who died childless - to marry his widow and have a son for his name;

#40, #20, #1, #2 = ke'eb (H3511): 1) pain (mental and physical), sorrow;

#10, #30, #10, #7, #6 = luwz (H3868): 1) to depart, turn aside; 1a)
(Qal) to depart; 1b) (Niphal); 1b1) to go wrong, go crooked; 1b2)
devious, perverse (participle); 1c) (Hiphil); 1c1) to be lost from view;
1c2) to become devious;

The names he doth call,

@memeBrain [Telos: #758, Super: #61 - Virtuous Humility at Using
'Beneath'; I-Ching: H64 - Before Completion; Tetra: 78 - On the Verge,
Ego: #29 - Deeming, Non-Assertion; I-Ching: H36 - Sinking Light; Tetra:
67 - Darkening]


MALE IDEA

#6, #5, #50, #50, #10 = hen (H2005): 1) behold, lo, though hypothetical
part; 2) if;

#1, #10, #50, #50, #10 = 'ayin (H369): 1) nothing, not, nought n; 1a)
nothing, nought neg; 1b) not; 1c) to have not (of possession) adv; 1d)
without w/prep; 1e) for lack of;

#50, #60, #5, #6 = nacah (H5254): 1) to test, try, prove, tempt, assay,
put to the proof or test; 1a) (Piel); 1a1) to test, try; 1a2) to
attempt, assay, try; 1a3) to test, try, prove, tempt;

#10, #20, #30, #20, #30, #5, #6 = kuwl (H3557): 1) to seize, contain,
measure; 1a) (Qal) to measure, calculate; 1b) (Pilpel) to sustain,
maintain, contain; 1b1) to sustain, support, nourish; 1b2) to contain,
hold in, restrain; 1b3) to support, endure; 1c) (Polpal) to be supplied;
1d) (Hilpil) to contain, hold, hold in, endure; 1d1) to contain; 1d2) to
sustain, endure;

#30, #5, #70, #2, #10, #4 = `abad (H5647): 1) to work, serve; 1a)
(Qal); 1a1) to labour, work, do work; 1a2) to work for another, serve
another by labour; 1a3) to serve as subjects; 1a4) to serve (God); 1a5)
to serve (with Levitical service); 1b) (Niphal); 1b1) to be worked, be
tilled (of land); 1b2) to make oneself a servant; 1c) (Pual) to be
worked; 1d) (Hiphil); 1d1) to compel to labour or work, cause to labour,
cause to serve; 1d2) to cause to serve as subjects; 1e) (Hophal) to be
led or enticed to serve;

#70, #30, #6, #5, #10 = `al (H5922): 1) upon, over, on account of,
above, to, against; 1a) upon, over, on account of, regarding,
concerning, on behalf of; 1b) over (with verbs of ruling); 1c) above,
beyond (in comparison); 1d) to, against (of direction);

#30, #40, #30, #20, #1 = melek (H4430): 1) king;

#6, #10, #40, #30, #10, #20, #5 = malak (H4427): 1) to be or become king
or queen, reign; 1a) (Qal) to be or become king or queen, reign; 1b)
(Hiphil) to make one king or queen, cause to reign; 1c) (Hophal) to be
made king or queen; 2) to counsel, advise; 2a) (Niphal) to consider;

#10, #100, #6, #5 = qavah (H6960): 1) to wait, look for, hope, expect;
1a) (Qal) waiting (participle); 1b) (Piel); 1b1) to wait or look eagerly
for; 1b2) to lie in wait for; 1b3) to wait for, linger for; 2) to
collect, bind together; 2a) (Niphal) to be collected;

#5, #30, #30, #50, #6 = halal (H1984): 1) to shine; 1a) (Qal) to shine
(fig. of God's favour); 1b) (Hiphil) to flash forth light; 2) to praise,
boast, be boastful; 2a) (Qal); 2a1) to be boastful; 2a2) boastful ones,
boasters (participle); 2b) (Piel); 2b1) to praise; 2b2) to boast, make a
boast; 2c) (Pual); 2c1) to be praised, be made praiseworthy, be
commended, be worthy of praise; 2d) (Hithpael) to boast, glory, make
one's boast; 2e) (Poel) to make a fool of, make into a fool; 2f)
(Hithpoel) to act madly, act like a madman;

FEMALE IDEA

#5, #30, #2, #50, #5 = lebenah (H3843): 1) tile, brick; 1a) brick; 1b)
tile; 1c) pavement;

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#10, #70, #2, #4, #6 = `abad (H5647): 1) to work, serve; 1a) (Qal); 1a1)
to labour, work, do work; 1a2) to work for another, serve another by
labour; 1a3) to serve as subjects; 1a4) to serve (God); 1a5) to serve
(with Levitical service); 1b) (Niphal); 1b1) to be worked, be tilled (of
land); 1b2) to make oneself a servant; 1c) (Pual) to be worked; 1d)
(Hiphil); 1d1) to compel to labour or work, cause to labour, cause to
serve; 1d2) to cause to serve as subjects; 1e) (Hophal) to be led or
enticed to serve;

#70, #2, #4, #10, #6 = `ebed (H5650): 1) slave, servant; 1a) slave,
servant, man-servant; 1b) subjects; 1c) servants, worshippers (of God);
1d) servant (in special sense as prophets, Levites etc); 1e) servant (of
Israel); 1f) servant (as form of address between equals);

#20, #8, #60, #4 = checed (H2617): 1) goodness, kindness, faithfulness;
2) a reproach, shame;

#40, #1, #6, #40, #5 = meuwmah (H3972): 1) anything; #30, #2, #50, #10 =
ben (H1121): 1) son, grandson, child, member of a group; 1a) son, male
child; 1b) grandson; 1c) children (pl. - male and female); 1d) youth,
young men (pl.); 1e) young (of animals); 1f) sons (as characterisation,
ie sons of injustice [for un- righteous men] or sons of God [for
angels]; 1g) people (of a nation) (pl.); 1h) of lifeless things, ie
sparks, stars, arrows (fig.); 1i) a member of a guild, order, class;

So makes his downfall,

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Change; I-Ching: H43 - Resolution; Tetra: 29 - Decisiveness, Ego: #71 -
Know-How as a Disease, Disease of Knowledge; I-Ching: H38 - Opposition;
Tetra: 6 - Contrariety]

MALE IDEA

#2, #2, #100, #70, #5 = biq`ah (H1237): 1) valley; 2) plain, level
valley; #6, #7, #100, #50, #10, #6 = zaqen (H2205): 1) old; 1a) old (of
humans); 1b) elder (of those having authority); #2, #70, #100, #2, #5 =
`oqbah (H6122): 1) subtlety, insidiousness, craftiness; #80, #30, #9,
#50, #10 = palat (H6403): 1) to escape, save, deliver, slip away; 1a)
(Qal) to escape; 1b) (Piel); 1b1) to bring into security, deliver; 1b2)
to cause to escape, cast forth; 1b3) to be delivered; 1b4) to slip away;
1c) (Hiphil) to bring into security, bring to safety; #90, #70, #4, #10,
#5 = tsa`ad (H6806): 1) step, pace, stride; 1a) step, pace; 1b) step,
steps (of course of life) (fig); #40, #9, #70, #50, #10 = ta`an (H2944):
1) (Pual) to pierce; #6, #5, #40, #70, #50, #3, #5 = `anag (H6026): 1)
to be soft, be delicate, be dainty; 1a) (Pual) to be delicate; 1b)
(Hithpael); 1b1) to be of dainty habit, be pampered; 1b2) to be happy
about, take exquisite delight; 1b3) to make merry over, make sport of;
#10, #70, #40, #4, #50, #5 = `amad (H5975): 1) to stand, remain, endure,
take one's stand; 1a) (Qal); 1a1) to stand, take one's stand, be in a
standing attitude, stand forth, take a stand, present oneself, attend
upon, be or become servant of; 1a2) to stand still, stop (moving or
doing), cease; 1a3) to tarry, delay, remain, continue, abide, endure,
persist, be steadfast; 1a4) to make a stand, hold one's ground; 1a5) to
stand upright, remain standing, stand up, rise, be erect, be upright;
1a6) to arise, appear, come on the scene, stand forth, appear, rise up
or against; 1a7) to stand with, take one's stand, be appointed, grow
flat, grow insipid; 1b) (Hiphil); 1b1) to station, set; 1b2) to cause to
stand firm, maintain; 1b3) to cause to stand up, cause to set up, erect;
1b4) to present (one) before (king); 1b5) to appoint, ordain, establish;
1c) (Hophal) to be presented, be caused to stand, be stood before; #40,
#100, #9, #30 = qetel (H6993): 1) slaughter; #1, #100, #60, #8, #10 =
archomai (G756): 1) to be the first to do (anything), to begin; 2) to be
chief, leader, ruler; 3) to begin, make a beginning; #9, #100, #10, #60
= thrix (G2359): 1) the hair of the head; 2) the hair of animals; #5,
#2, #4, #70, #40, #8, #50 = hebdomos (G1442): 1) seventh; #3, #5, #3,
#5, #50, #50, #8, #40, #5, #9, #1 = gennao (G1080): 1) of men who
fathered children; 1a) to be born; 1b) to be begotten; 1b1) of women
giving birth to children; 2) metaph.; 2a) to engender, cause to arise,
excite; 2b) in a Jewish sense, of one who brings others over to his way
of life, to convert someone; 2c) of God making Christ his son; 2d) of
God making men his sons through faith in Christ's work; #30, #5, #30,
#1, #30, #8, #20, #5, #50 = laleo (G2980): 1) to utter a voice or emit a
sound; 2) to speak; 2a) to use the tongue or the faculty of speech; 2b)
to utter articulate sounds; 3) to talk; 4) to utter, tell; 5) to use
words in order to declare one's mind and disclose one's thoughts; 5a) to
speak; #80, #30, #1, #50, #8, #10 = plane (G4106): 1) a wandering, a
straying about; 1a) one led astray from the right way, roams hither and
thither; 2) metaph.; 2a) mental straying; 2a1) error, wrong opinion
relative to morals or religion; 2b) error which shows itself in action,
a wrong mode of acting; 2c) error, that which leads into error, deceit
or fraud; #5, #60, #5, #30, #5, #3, #60, #1, #10 = exelegcho (G1827): 1)
to prove to be in the wrong, convict; #80, #30, #8, #3, #8, #50 = plege
(G4127): 1) a blow, stripe, a wound; 2) a public calamity, heavy
affliction, plague,; #9, #5, #40, #5, #30, #10, #70, #10 = themelios
(G2310): 1) laid down as a foundation, the foundation (of a building,
wall, city); 2) metaph. the foundations, beginnings, first principals;
2a) of institution or system of truth;

FEMALE IDEA

#6, #50, #100, #2, #5 = neqebah (H5347): 1) female; 1a) woman, female
child; 1b) female animal;

#6, #10, #90, #1, #50, #6 = yatsa' (H3318): 1) to go out, come out,
exit, go forth; 1a) (Qal); 1a1) to go or come out or forth, depart; 1a2)
to go forth (to a place); 1a3) to go forward, proceed to (to or toward
something); 1a4) to come or go forth (with purpose or for result); 1a5)
to come out of; 1b) (Hiphil); 1b1) to cause to go or come out, bring
out, lead out; 1b2) to bring out of; 1b3) to lead out; 1b4) to deliver;
1c) (Hophal) to be brought out or forth; #40, #40, #30, #8, #40, #5 =
milchamah (H4421): 1) battle, war; #50, #100, #8, #5 = laqach (H3947):
1) to take, get, fetch, lay hold of, seize, receive, acquire, buy,
bring, marry, take a wife, snatch, take away; 1a) (Qal); 1a1) to take,
take in the hand; 1a2) to take and carry along; 1a3) to take from, take
out of, take, carry away, take away; 1a4) to take to or for a person,
procure, get, take possession of, select, choose, take in marriage,
receive, accept; 1a5) to take up or upon, put upon; 1a6) to fetch; 1a7)
to take, lead, conduct; 1a8) to take, capture, seize; 1a9) to take,
carry off; 1a10) to take (vengeance); 1b) (Niphal); 1b1) to be captured;
1b2) to be taken away, be removed; 1b3) to be taken, brought unto; 1c)
(Pual); 1c1) to be taken from or out of; 1c2) to be stolen from; 1c3) to
be taken captive; 1c4) to be taken away, be removed; 1d) (Hophal); 1d1)
to be taken unto, be brought unto; 1d2) to be taken out of; 1d3) to be
taken away; 1e) (Hithpael); 1e1) to take hold of oneself; 1e2) to flash
about (of lightning); #6, #2, #10, #30, #100, #6, #9 = yalquwt (H3219):
1) wallet, purse, pouch, bag, receptacle; #6, #40, #6, #90, #10, #1, #10
= yatsa' (H3318): 1) to go out, come out, exit, go forth; 1a) (Qal);
1a1) to go or come out or forth, depart; 1a2) to go forth (to a place);
1a3) to go forward, proceed to (to or toward something); 1a4) to come or
go forth (with purpose or for result); 1a5) to come out of; 1b)
(Hiphil); 1b1) to cause to go or come out, bring out, lead out; 1b2) to
bring out of; 1b3) to lead out; 1b4) to deliver; 1c) (Hophal) to be
brought out or forth; #40, #8, #10, #100, #5 = cheyq (H2436): 1) bosom,
hollow, bottom, midst; #6, #50, #1, #20, #30, #50, #6 = 'akal (H398): 1)
to eat, devour, burn up, feed; 1a) (Qal); 1a1) to eat (human subject);
1a2) to eat, devour (of beasts and birds); 1a3) to devour, consume (of
fire); 1a4) to devour, slay (of sword); 1a5) to devour, consume, destroy
(inanimate subjects - ie, pestilence, drought); 1a6) to devour (of
oppression); 1b) (Niphal); 1b1) to be eaten (by men); 1b2) to be
devoured, consumed (of fire); 1b3) to be wasted, destroyed (of flesh);
1c) (Pual); 1c1) to cause to eat, feed with; 1c2) to cause to devour;
1d) (Hiphil); 1d1) to feed; 1d2) to cause to eat; 1e) (Piel); 1e1)
consume; #6, #40, #10, #90, #10, #1, #6 = yatsiy' (H3329): 1) coming
forth; 1a) offspring (subst); #2, #20, #60, #80, #1 = kecaph (H3702): 1)
silver; 1a) as metal; 1b) as money; #6, #50, #2, #100, #5 = baqaq
(H1238): 1) to empty; 1a) (Qal); 1a1) to empty, lay waste; 1a2) to make
void (fig.); 1b) (Niphal) to be emptied; 1c) (Polel) to empty out,
devastate; #6, #20, #40, #6, #90, #1 = mowtsa' (H4161): 1) act or place
of going out or forth, issue, export, source, spring; 1a) a going forth;
1a1) rising (sun), going forth of a command; 1a2) goings forth, those
going forth; 1a3) way out, exit; 1b) that which goes forth; 1b1)
utterance; 1b2) export; 1c) place of going forth; 1c1) source or spring
(of water); 1c2) place of departure; 1c3) east (of sun); 1c4) mine (of
silver); #100, #8, #50, #5 = laqach (H3947): 1) to take, get, fetch, lay
hold of, seize, receive, acquire, buy, bring, marry, take a wife,
snatch, take away; 1a) (Qal); 1a1) to take, take in the hand; 1a2) to
take and carry along; 1a3) to take from, take out of, take, carry away,
take away; 1a4) to take to or for a person, procure, get, take
possession of, select, choose, take in marriage, receive, accept; 1a5)
to take up or upon, put upon; 1a6) to fetch; 1a7) to take, lead,
conduct; 1a8) to take, capture, seize; 1a9) to take, carry off; 1a10) to
take (vengeance); 1b) (Niphal); 1b1) to be captured; 1b2) to be taken
away, be removed; 1b3) to be taken, brought unto; 1c) (Pual); 1c1) to be
taken from or out of; 1c2) to be stolen from; 1c3) to be taken captive;
1c4) to be taken away, be removed; 1d) (Hophal); 1d1) to be taken unto,
be brought unto; 1d2) to be taken out of; 1d3) to be taken away; 1e)
(Hithpael); 1e1) to take hold of oneself; 1e2) to flash about (of
lightning); #40, #7, #50, #6, #50, #10 = zanuwn (H2183): 1) adultery,
fornication, prostitution; #30, #40, #70, #6, #7, #10 = ma`owz (H4581):
1) place or means of safety, protection, refuge, stronghold; 1a) place
of safety, fastness, harbour, stronghold; 1b) refuge (of God) (fig.);
1c) human protection (fig.); #5, #30, #5, #3, #70, #50 = lego (G3004):
1) to say, to speak; 1a) affirm over, maintain; 1b) to teach; 1c) to
exhort, advise, to command, direct; 1d) to point out with words, intend,
mean, mean to say; 1e) to call by name, to call, name; 1f) to speak out,
speak of, mention; #8, #100, #5, #50 = airo (G142): 1) to raise up,
elevate, lift up; 1a) to raise from the ground, take up: stones; 1b) to
raise upwards, elevate, lift up: the hand; 1c) to draw up: a fish; 2) to
take upon one's self and carry what has been raised up, to bear; 3) to
bear away what has been raised, carry off; 3a) to move from its place;
3b) to take off or away what is attached to anything; 3c) to remove; 3d)
to carry off, carry away with one; 3e) to appropriate what is taken; 3f)
to take away from another what is his or what is committed to him, to
take by force; 3g) to take and apply to any use; 3h) to take from among
the living, either by a natural death, or by violence; 3i) cause to cease;
I tipped the Bulldogs.
Haven't you just been done for being a North Korean spy?

Bygone wherefore all.

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Chary of War; I-Ching: H45 - Congregation; Tetra: 59 - Massing, Ego: #34
- Great Guide, Trust in its Perfection; I-Ching: H18 - Arresting Decay;
Tetra: 27 - Duties]

MALE IDEA

#200, #2, #6, #1 = ribbow (H7239): 1) ten thousand, myriad; #1, #80, #1,
#100, #9, #8, #10 = apairo (G522): 1) to lift off, take or carry away;
2) to be taken away from anyone; #5, #50, #4, #10, #20, #70, #50 =
endikos (G1738): 1) according to right, righteous, just; #5, #80, #1,
#50, #1, #3, #1, #3, #5, #10, #50 = epanago (G1877): 1) to lead up upon;
1a) a ship upon the deep, to put out; 2) to lead back; 3) to return;
#50, #70, #9, #70, #10 = nothos (G3541): 1) illegitimate, bastard; 2)
one born, not in lawful wedlock, but of a concubine or female slave;
#80, #5, #50, #9, #5, #10, #50 = pentheo (G3996): 1) to mourn; 2) to
mourn for, lament one; #80, #70, #10, #8, #40, #1 = poiema (G4161): 1)
that which has been made; 2) a work; 2a) of the works of God as creator;

FEMALE IDEA

Female Idea: #197 has 9 Categories: #6, #30, #1, #30, #80, #10, #40 =
'eleph (H505): 1) a thousand; 1a) as numeral; 2) a thousand, company;
2a) as a company of men under one leader, troops; #40, #2, #10, #90,
#10, #5, #40 = beytsah (H1000): 1) egg; #2, #90, #100, #5 = batseq
(H1216): 1) (Qal) to swell, become blistered; #5, #2, #90, #100 = batseq
(H1217): 1) dough (unleavened); #7, #70, #100, #20 = za`aq (H2201): 1)
cry, outcry; 1a) outcry; 1b) cry of distress; 1c) outcry, clamour; #7,
#100, #50, #40 = zaqan (H2206): 1) beard, chin; 1a) beard; 1b) chin;
#40, #7, #100, #50 = zoqen (H2207): 1) old age; #2, #50, #100, #40, #5 =
neqamah (H5360): 1) vengeance; 1a) vengeance (by God, by Israel, by
enemies of Israel); #20, #5, #100, #1, #40, #10, #20, #1 = keramikos
(G2764): 1) of or belonging to a potter; 2) made of clay, earthen;
news:4fc8b4ff$0$11119
.... ????? So David is smiling??
Has to be after that performance... Well done
It was good to see a competitive 4 quarter effort - although the
game could have been almost over at 1/4 time after 11 shots at goal.
A few Richmond players have just about run out of puff and need a
rest, Maric in the ruck being the most in need right now.
It was interesting that the name Riewoldt probably was probably
named twice in Richmond's list of 10 best players on the ground for
them, one kicked 8 goals for Richmond in a match winning performance
and the other turned the ball over enough to help the Tigers kick
about 4 of their
goals.
For the first time in ages all those Richmond supporting school kids
can turn up wearing their colours and not be the subject of pity and
disdain (at least for a few more weeks.......)
vince garcia
2012-06-02 11:14:25 UTC
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As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

--Apostle paul
A thousand may pray until their knees are bloody, but if they are not
keeping His Commandments, God says their prayer is an abomination to
Him. Yet the prayers of one one man who abides in Him can change the
"The effectual fervent prayer of a RIGHTEOUS man availeth much."
James 5:16 KJV
“Little children, let no one deceive you. He who DOES RIGHT is
RIGHTEOUS.” 1 John 3:7 RSV
Sounds good, doesn't it? SOUNDS like something a believer in Christ
might really say.

But what is the truth behind what Donna Kupp teaches and believes?

How can we know if this woman is of God or actually a false teacher when
she speaks?

Paul gives us the answer:

2 cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve
through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the
simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not
preached, or if ye receive ANOTHER SPIRIT, which ye have not received,
or ANOTHER GOSPEL, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with
him.

2 cor 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming
themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of
light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed
as the MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS; whose end shall be according to their
works.

Donna Kupp, for those who do not know, is a woman preaching a false
gospel with a false Christ that denies virtually every possible
essential of the Christian faith.

Note here paul's words about false teachers: they will actually be
"MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS"!!!!! Not antinomians, teaching lawlessness
and freedom to sin, but MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, teaching an
apparently good-sounding Gospel that is actually ANOTHER GOSPEL about
ANOTHER JESUS!

Let us test Donna Kupp's own words against the doctrines of
the New Testament and the Christian church, and see if we can determine
whether she is a servant of God, or actually a minister of Satan!

1. First, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach "ANOTHER
JESUS."

Is Donna Kupp's Jesus YOUR Jesus? Is her Jesus the Jesus of
Scripture?

While Donna Kupp just made a number of statements sound like something a
real Christian might make, we cannot make a judgment whether she is or
is not a true Christian based only on what she just posted here. We must
determine if she really teaches the same Jesus REAL Christians follow by
looking at statements she, herself, has made about Christ in the past,
that she may not throw out on a regular basis, because she knows it
reveals what she REALLY thinks about Christ.

So what does she actually say about the Jesus she follows, and
supposedly places faith in?

This...
"In the beginning was Jesus
and Jesus was with THE RULER,
and Jesus was Ruler.
The same was in the beginning with THE RULER."
John was teaching that Jesus was our Ruler (our theos) and that
Jesus was with the Father from the very beginning of creation.
(Not that Jesus was one third of some mysterious and mind-
boggling "Trinity" that no one had ever heard of.)
We can stop right there. Donna Kupp, denying the deity of Christ,
rewrites the Gospel of John in a manner that affirms that denial, so we
can either change all our Bibles to her new trenslation that "proves"
Jesus is NOT fully God, but some other sort of created lesser being, or
we can allow the sacred words of the apostle John to stand AS WRITTEN!

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the WORD
WAS GOD.

So we see her Jesus is ANOTHER JESUS that orthodox Protestants and
Evangelicals (and Catholics) DO NOT believe in.

For US, Jesus is God in flesh, fully God and fully man, and 2nd Person
of the Trinity she goes on to mock and deny.


2. Next, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach or operate under
a "DIFFERENT SPIRIT".

Does Donna Kupp teach and receive anoining by the same Holy Spirit that
REAL Christians follow?

Judge for yourself by her own words.
The concept that the Holy Spirit is God is based on a single verse in
Acts (5:3) where it says that Ananias lied to the Holy Spirit - and
later it says that he lied to God.
To conclude that the Holy Spirit is God on the basis of those verses is
merely an interpretation which adds to what is actually written. Since
the Spirit is the means of communciation between God and man, if you
lie to the Spirit you are in effect lying to God. Are there any verses
which actually say that the Holy Spirit is God?
Not one!
Jesus did not teach the Trinity, the apostles did not teach it, and it
was not taught by church leaders for three hundred years after the
death of Christ.
All REAL Christians believe not only in the deity of Christ, but also
the Godhood of the Holy Spirit. As we see from her own words, Donna
Kupp denies those two essentials of the faith, and proclaims the Holy
Spirit is only some nebulous "means of communication between God and
man"

So now we see she has fulfilled the SECOND warning of Paul--she has
A DIFFERENT SPIRIT than REAL Christians do.

By the way, her LIES about the history of the Trinity are instantly
refutable:

The deity of Christ was EXPLICITLY taught by Ignatius in the early 2nd
century

"To the Church at Ephesus in Asia . . . chosen through true suffering by
the will of the Father in Jesus Christ our God"
"FOR OUR GOD, Jesus Christ, was conceived by Mary in accord with God�s
plan: of the seed of David, it is true, but also of the Holy Spirit"

Letter to the Ephesians 1 110 AD
There is no record of the co-equal, co-eternal, three-in-one God
being taught by a single one of the early church fathers. It
was not a part of Christian teaching until it was formulated by the
Second Ecumenical Council at Constantinople in 381.A.D.
"No record"?


For the Church, although dispersed throughout the whole world even to
the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and from their
disciples the faith in one God, the Father Almighty . . . and in one
Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who became flesh for our salvation; and in
the Holy Spirit

Irenaeus, before 200 AD

And at the same time the mystery of the oikonomia is safeguarded, for
the unity is distributed in a TRINITY. Placed in order, the three are
the Father, Son, and Spirit. They are three, however, not in condition,
but in degree; not in being, but in form; not in power, but in kind; of
one being, however, and one condition and one power, because he is one
God of whom degrees and forms and kinds are taken into account in the
name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit"

Tertullian "Against Praxeas" early 200s AD

For Scripture as much announces Christ AS ALSO GOD, as it announces God
himself as man. It has as much described Jesus Christ to be man, as
moreover it has also described Christ the Lord to be God. Because it
does not set forth him to be the Son of God only, but also the son of
man; nor does it only say, the son of man, but it has also been
accustomed to speak of him as the Son of God. So that being of both, he
is both, lest if he should be one only, he could not be the other. For
as nature itself has prescribed that he must be believed to be a man who
is of man, so the same nature prescribes also that he must be believed
to be God who is of God. . . . Let them, therefore, who read that Jesus
Christ the son of man is man, read also that this same Jesus is called
also God and the Son of God"

Novatian, Treatise on the Trinity 11 235 AD

And now the capstone to Kupp's historial and TEXTUAL illiteracy:

The Lord says: 'I and the Father are one.' And again of the Father and
Son and the Holy Spirit it is written: 'And these three are one'.
Cyprian --Treatise 1 on the unity of the Catholic Church, chapter 6,
early 3rd century, PROVING THE LEGITIMACY OF THE COMMA JOHANNEUM KUPP
(and other historical illiterates) SAY IS A FRAUD.


3. The minister of Satan will also teach "ANOTHER GOSPEL."

Does Donna Kupp uphold the CHRISTIAN gospel? We've already seen she
denies and perverts the nature of Jesus Himself and the precious Holy
Spirit. But what is her actual gospel message? She talks about
obedience, and making Jesus Lord...but what does she really believe
about sin, justification, and sanctification? Does she ever lay out her
beliefs in clear language so the body of Christ can see and judge
whether she is or is not a fellow believer?

Yes!
To be saved is the first step in the process of salvation. Those who
are saved do not have eternal life -
Did you get that? THOSE WHO ARE SAVED ___DO NOT___HAVE ETERNAL LIFE!!!

LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

jn 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, HATH eternal life;
and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name
of the Son of God; that YE MAY KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that
ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of
yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
"If one who is born of God has truly repented of committing sin
(chosen to cease from sin) and then deliberately commits sin he has
despised the Holy Spirit, just as the OT the Israelites despised the
Law of God. It is blasphemy!"
"When we are converted all past sins are forgiven. After a person is
born-again, only sins of ignorance are forgiven. If a person sins
with knowledge and intent after that time, they have blasphemed
the Holy Spirit and there is no more sacrifice for sin. See Hebrews
6:1-8; Hebrews 10:26-31."
LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves
are ALSO FOUND SINNERS, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God
forbid.

Apparently, paul understood that even those justified in Christ STILL
SINNED!

Are we sure? Well, let's again test the doctrine of donna kupp by Paul's
own words, written in the last months of his life:

1 tim 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation,
that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I AM
CHIEF.

Wait a minute--I thought Donna said any Christian who willingly commits
even ONE SIN is eternally damned!

Apparently, paul did not realize this when he acknowledged he was the
WORST of sinners in 67 AD when he wrote this, 30+ years after finding
Christ! Thus, he must have been guilty of blaspheming the spirit
according to false teachers harold and donna kupp

What else did Paul have to say about whether Christians do or do not
commit sin in romans 7?

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing:
for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I
find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: BUT THE EVIL WHICH I WOULD NOT,
____THAT I DO___.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin
that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with
me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my
mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my
members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this
death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I
myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Does THAT sound like a man who has reached the state of sinless
perfection like Donna Kupp, who claims any sin she commits is 100%
accidental and unintentional??????

And this is her ultimate blasphemy regarding the blood of Christ...
Blood of Christ covers: 1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light,
as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the
blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. (Only sins
of ignorance)
Notice how donna kupp added the words "Only sins of ignorance" to
pervert John's words? Just as she did with the powerful passage in John
1:1, she rejects the message and inserts her own heretical words flat
out CONTRADICTING what was actually written! John says Christ's blood
cleanses us from ALL sin; Donna adds words to change it to all
UNINTENTIONAL sins, making the blood of Christ LIMITED in its ability to
atone for sin.

Kupp also has missed what Jesus said about how imperfect His followers
will always be:

Luke 4:4 And FORGIVE US OUR SINS; for we also forgive every one that is
indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from
evil.

Meanwhile, THIS is God's true message of salvation:

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become
the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

And while Donna Kupp blasphemes the gospel by claiming we keep--and
actually earn--our salvation through keeping the 10 commandments
perfectly, here is what the SCRIPTURE says about how we stay in right
standing security with God:

1 peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a
lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not
away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 WHO ARE KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD __THROUGH FAITH__ UNTO SALVATION
ready to be revealed in the last time.

So now we see her "gospel" IS NOT the gospel of the New testament. It is
a false gospel that...

A. Requires Bible verses to be rewritten in a heretical manner.
B. Requires adding a clarification to Scripture that TOTALLY overturns
what the Scripture actually SAYS.
C. Must deny the deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit.
D. Requires remaining in a state of salvation by keeping the 10
commandments PERFECTLY, or else the person is now damned without
possibility of repentance.
E. Blasphemes and limits the atoning power of Christ's blood to
"Only sins of ignorance."


4. As we noted, Paul says the MINISTER OF SATAN will actually appear to
be a MINISTER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS! That is what makes them so deceptive.
They are serpents in the guise of sheep, preaching righteous living and
'keeping God's holy law' while in their hearts is satan himself, drawing
people away from TRUE righteousness, to a perverted notion of it based
on keeping commandments!

Take a look at Donna Kupp's deceptive posts, including this one. Every
one touts the keeping of biblical commandments, threatens people with
damnation for failing to keep biblical commandments, and threatenes them
with damnation if anyone should ever--EVEN ONE TIME--willingly BREAK a
biblical commandment.

So Kupp APPEARS to be preaching the righteousness of 'keeping God's holy
commandments'...yet she does it in a way that is an UTTER PERVERSION of
the gospel of grace, and comes right from the mouth of satan speaking
good things, and making her LOOK like a minister of righetousness.

So, summing it up, Paul says that a minister of satan will...

Preach another Jesus...
Preach under another spirit...
Preach a different gospel...
While appearing to be a minister of righteousness while doing so!

I believe Donna Kupp meets ALL FOUR CRITERIA.

Based on the totality of her teachings, I see no conclusion other than
that the "Jesus" she follows is a demon spirit, and the "Yahweh" she
speaks for is actually SATAN.


I am dead to the law by the crucified body of Christ. Are you?
dolf
2012-06-04 20:46:13 UTC
Permalink
Nous: #12
Time: 22:30 hrs
Date: 2012.2.27
Torah: #70 #30 #40 %81 = #59
Dao: Numbing Effect of the Conventional, Abstaining from Desire
Tetra: #25 - Contention
I-Ching: H6 - Conflict

Latin: Altissimus {Hidden God; cf: high; deep/profound; shrill; lofty,
noble; deep rooted; far-fetched; grown great (Vulgate [Psalms 45:7])}
Alt: Amamyah {Join with God} {
1. HELPS AGAINST SPIRITUAL TORMENT & REVEALS TRAITORS
2. SEA VOYAGES
3. OF DISCOVERIES
4. Senacher , Sennacherib {bramble; thistle}
}
Kenan {Fixed, (nestlings; figuratively a chamber or dwelling:-nest,
room), buyer; owner}

God Bless you Ma'am: God Saved the Queen!

- http://www.grapple369.com/grapple.html?zen:3,row:9,col:6
- http://www.grapple369.com/flotilla/Flotilla_20120503_2230hrs_1_5sec.m4v

Weatbix is one thing mate, but I'm more ethical than you and am not an
ANZAC Day denier like you in that I speak out about companies such as
Sanitarium who are owned by religious organizations disliked as
Seventh-day Adventist Church who are hypocritical in having no regard
for human rights (my rights) under this Commonwealth.

Nous: #14
Time: 20:35 hrs
Date: 2012.1.29
Torah: #10 #5 #5 %81 = #20
Dao: Praising the Mysterious (Metaphysics)
Tetra: #9 - Branching Out
I-Ching: H19 - Approaching

Latin: Refugium {Supreme Being} Alt: Chamyah {In the Midst of God} {
1. HELPS OBTAIN WISDOM & KNOWLEDGE
2. PHILOSOPHERS & THE ENLIGHTENED
3. VIRTUE IN SOLITUDE FROM WORLDLY CONCERNS
4. Oroasoer
}
#65 CE {Ritual Practice and Virtualising of Australian ANZAC Identity}

- http://www.grapple369.com/grapple.html?zen:4,row:8,col:8

The same goes for Ikonic's latest sin--he's just expressing a hymenalism
by the child image graffiti!

- http://www.grapple369.com/IkonicSin.jpg

Who's side are you on Ikon? Not the Queen's, Not Mine!

Did you see the rainbow sash, stashed in a cube all forlorn in the
Bathroom--my prize possession lost to scorn, waiting for deceit, lying
tongues, like a tiger set on fire: wicked hey?

I wouldn't tolerate a nazi swatsika--why would like a Ikon Graffiti?

Similar 'Saddam' head graffiti as psychological distress was stenciled
all around North Melbourne and was the cause for my selling up and
leaving my house I'd built there.

And can on this Queen's Jubilee Day be entirely and irrevocably be
considered fascist and antagonistic to the sovereign autonomy.

Nous: #7
Time: 07:50 hrs
Date: 2012.7.19
Torah: #6 #300 #200 %81 = #20
Dao: Intentional Reversal, Dimming Radiance
Tetra: #56 - Closed Mouth
I-Ching: H12 - Stagnation

Latin: Adorandus {Just God} Alt: Kahtiel {Weariness of Signs of God} {
1. AIDS AGAINST FALSE, UNJUST ACCUSATIONS
2. JUSTICE, NOBILIY, MAGISTRATES & LAWYERS
3. THE WORD
4. Thumis
}

Jesse {Gift; oblation; one who is}

Mirror mirror on the wall,
This pricks about to fall.
The names he doth call
So makes his downfall
Bygone wherefore all.

"For I heard the defaming of many, fear on every side. Report, say they,
and we will report it. All my familiars watched for my halting, saying,
Peradventure he will be enticed, and we shall prevail against him, and
we shall take our revenge {neqamah-vengeance [H5360]: #197} on him."
[Jeremiah 20:10]

- http://www.grapple369.com/grapple.html?zen:3,row:3:col:2

***@zen: 3, row: 3, col: 2, nous: 7 [Time: 0752 hrs, Super: #400 /
#33 - Achievable Goals, Virtue of Discrimination; I-Ching: H9 - Minor
Restraint; Tetra: 35 - Gathering, Ego: #361 / #7 - Intentional Reversal,
Dimming Radiance; I-Ching: H12 - Stagnation; Tetra: 56 - Closed Mouth]

Mirror mirror on the wall,

@memeBrain [Telos: #1642, Super: #25 - What's behind it all?, Imaging
the Mysterious; I-Ching: H62 - Small Excess; Tetra: 10 - Defectiveness,
Distortion, Ego: #22 - Point to Reversal?, Humility's Increase; I-Ching:
H8 - Seeking Unity; Tetra: 34 - Kinship]

MALE IDEA

#10, #7, #8 = zachach (H2118): 1) to remove, displace; 1a) (Niphal) to
be removed, be loosened, be displaced;

#8, #9, #8 = ethos (G2239): 1) a customary abode, dwelling place, haunt,
customary state; 2) custom, usage, morals, character;

FEMALE IDEA

#1, #6, #10, #5 = 'owyah (H190): 1) woe!;

#6, #1, #7, #6, #2 = 'ezowb (H231): 1) hyssop, a plant used for
medicinal and religious purposes;

#6, #4, #5, #2, #5 = dehab (Aramaic) (H1722): 1) gold;

#2, #8, #2, #10 = chob (H2243): 1) bosom;

This pricks about to fall.

@memeBrain [Telos: #1499, Super: #35 - Great Guiding Signs?, Virtue of
Benevolence; I-Ching: H17 - Allegiance; Tetra: 19 - Following, Ego: #41
- Playing with Reversal, Sameness in Difference; I-Ching: H26 -
Restraining Force; Tetra: 60 - Accumulation]

MALE IDEA

#6, #1, #2, #50, #1 = 'eben (Aramaic) (H69): 1) stone; 1a) a (the)
stone; 1b) stone, material of idols and buildings;

#2, #1, #5, #2, #10, #40 = 'ohab (H159): 1) loved object; 2) (TWOT) love;

#1, #8, #10, #1, #40 = 'Achiyam (H279): 1) one of David's warriors (heroes);

#30, #1, #20, #7, #2 = 'akzab (H391): 1) deceitful, treacherous,
deception, lie, deceptive, disappointing;

FEMALE IDEA

#4, #6, #50, #3 = downag (H1749): 1) wax (always figurative 'of melting');

#5, #7, #10, #30, #6, #5 = zuwl (H2107): 1) (Qal) to pour out, lavish;
2) (Hiphil) despise;

#40, #8, #6, #9 = chuwt (H2339): 1) a thread, cord, line, string; #8,

#30, #20, #5 = cheleka' (H2489): 1) hapless, poor, unfortunate person;

#6, #10, #2, #40, #5 = yabam (H2992): 1) (Piel) to perform levirate
marriage, perform the duty of a brother-in-law; 1a) the duty due to a
brother who died childless - to marry his widow and have a son for his name;

#40, #20, #1, #2 = ke'eb (H3511): 1) pain (mental and physical), sorrow;

#10, #30, #10, #7, #6 = luwz (H3868): 1) to depart, turn aside; 1a)
(Qal) to depart; 1b) (Niphal); 1b1) to go wrong, go crooked; 1b2)
devious, perverse (participle); 1c) (Hiphil); 1c1) to be lost from view;
1c2) to become devious;

The names he doth call,

@memeBrain [Telos: #758, Super: #61 - Virtuous Humility at Using
'Beneath'; I-Ching: H64 - Before Completion; Tetra: 78 - On the Verge,
Ego: #29 - Deeming, Non-Assertion; I-Ching: H36 - Sinking Light; Tetra:
67 - Darkening]


MALE IDEA

#6, #5, #50, #50, #10 = hen (H2005): 1) behold, lo, though hypothetical
part; 2) if;

#1, #10, #50, #50, #10 = 'ayin (H369): 1) nothing, not, nought n; 1a)
nothing, nought neg; 1b) not; 1c) to have not (of possession) adv; 1d)
without w/prep; 1e) for lack of;

#50, #60, #5, #6 = nacah (H5254): 1) to test, try, prove, tempt, assay,
put to the proof or test; 1a) (Piel); 1a1) to test, try; 1a2) to
attempt, assay, try; 1a3) to test, try, prove, tempt;

#10, #20, #30, #20, #30, #5, #6 = kuwl (H3557): 1) to seize, contain,
measure; 1a) (Qal) to measure, calculate; 1b) (Pilpel) to sustain,
maintain, contain; 1b1) to sustain, support, nourish; 1b2) to contain,
hold in, restrain; 1b3) to support, endure; 1c) (Polpal) to be supplied;
1d) (Hilpil) to contain, hold, hold in, endure; 1d1) to contain; 1d2) to
sustain, endure;

#30, #5, #70, #2, #10, #4 = `abad (H5647): 1) to work, serve; 1a)
(Qal); 1a1) to labour, work, do work; 1a2) to work for another, serve
another by labour; 1a3) to serve as subjects; 1a4) to serve (God); 1a5)
to serve (with Levitical service); 1b) (Niphal); 1b1) to be worked, be
tilled (of land); 1b2) to make oneself a servant; 1c) (Pual) to be
worked; 1d) (Hiphil); 1d1) to compel to labour or work, cause to labour,
cause to serve; 1d2) to cause to serve as subjects; 1e) (Hophal) to be
led or enticed to serve;

#70, #30, #6, #5, #10 = `al (H5922): 1) upon, over, on account of,
above, to, against; 1a) upon, over, on account of, regarding,
concerning, on behalf of; 1b) over (with verbs of ruling); 1c) above,
beyond (in comparison); 1d) to, against (of direction);

#30, #40, #30, #20, #1 = melek (H4430): 1) king;

#6, #10, #40, #30, #10, #20, #5 = malak (H4427): 1) to be or become king
or queen, reign; 1a) (Qal) to be or become king or queen, reign; 1b)
(Hiphil) to make one king or queen, cause to reign; 1c) (Hophal) to be
made king or queen; 2) to counsel, advise; 2a) (Niphal) to consider;

#10, #100, #6, #5 = qavah (H6960): 1) to wait, look for, hope, expect;
1a) (Qal) waiting (participle); 1b) (Piel); 1b1) to wait or look eagerly
for; 1b2) to lie in wait for; 1b3) to wait for, linger for; 2) to
collect, bind together; 2a) (Niphal) to be collected;

#5, #30, #30, #50, #6 = halal (H1984): 1) to shine; 1a) (Qal) to shine
(fig. of God's favour); 1b) (Hiphil) to flash forth light; 2) to praise,
boast, be boastful; 2a) (Qal); 2a1) to be boastful; 2a2) boastful ones,
boasters (participle); 2b) (Piel); 2b1) to praise; 2b2) to boast, make a
boast; 2c) (Pual); 2c1) to be praised, be made praiseworthy, be
commended, be worthy of praise; 2d) (Hithpael) to boast, glory, make
one's boast; 2e) (Poel) to make a fool of, make into a fool; 2f)
(Hithpoel) to act madly, act like a madman;

FEMALE IDEA

#5, #30, #2, #50, #5 = lebenah (H3843): 1) tile, brick; 1a) brick; 1b)
tile; 1c) pavement;

http://www.grapple369.com/IkonicSin.jpg

#10, #70, #2, #4, #6 = `abad (H5647): 1) to work, serve; 1a) (Qal); 1a1)
to labour, work, do work; 1a2) to work for another, serve another by
labour; 1a3) to serve as subjects; 1a4) to serve (God); 1a5) to serve
(with Levitical service); 1b) (Niphal); 1b1) to be worked, be tilled (of
land); 1b2) to make oneself a servant; 1c) (Pual) to be worked; 1d)
(Hiphil); 1d1) to compel to labour or work, cause to labour, cause to
serve; 1d2) to cause to serve as subjects; 1e) (Hophal) to be led or
enticed to serve;

#70, #2, #4, #10, #6 = `ebed (H5650): 1) slave, servant; 1a) slave,
servant, man-servant; 1b) subjects; 1c) servants, worshippers (of God);
1d) servant (in special sense as prophets, Levites etc); 1e) servant (of
Israel); 1f) servant (as form of address between equals);

#20, #8, #60, #4 = checed (H2617): 1) goodness, kindness, faithfulness;
2) a reproach, shame;

#40, #1, #6, #40, #5 = meuwmah (H3972): 1) anything; #30, #2, #50, #10 =
ben (H1121): 1) son, grandson, child, member of a group; 1a) son, male
child; 1b) grandson; 1c) children (pl. - male and female); 1d) youth,
young men (pl.); 1e) young (of animals); 1f) sons (as characterisation,
ie sons of injustice [for un- righteous men] or sons of God [for
angels]; 1g) people (of a nation) (pl.); 1h) of lifeless things, ie
sparks, stars, arrows (fig.); 1i) a member of a guild, order, class;

So makes his downfall,

@memeBrain [Telos: #1124, Super: #58 - Political Reversal, Adaptation to
Change; I-Ching: H43 - Resolution; Tetra: 29 - Decisiveness, Ego: #71 -
Know-How as a Disease, Disease of Knowledge; I-Ching: H38 - Opposition;
Tetra: 6 - Contrariety]

MALE IDEA

#2, #2, #100, #70, #5 = biq`ah (H1237): 1) valley; 2) plain, level
valley; #6, #7, #100, #50, #10, #6 = zaqen (H2205): 1) old; 1a) old (of
humans); 1b) elder (of those having authority); #2, #70, #100, #2, #5 =
`oqbah (H6122): 1) subtlety, insidiousness, craftiness; #80, #30, #9,
#50, #10 = palat (H6403): 1) to escape, save, deliver, slip away; 1a)
(Qal) to escape; 1b) (Piel); 1b1) to bring into security, deliver; 1b2)
to cause to escape, cast forth; 1b3) to be delivered; 1b4) to slip away;
1c) (Hiphil) to bring into security, bring to safety; #90, #70, #4, #10,
#5 = tsa`ad (H6806): 1) step, pace, stride; 1a) step, pace; 1b) step,
steps (of course of life) (fig); #40, #9, #70, #50, #10 = ta`an (H2944):
1) (Pual) to pierce; #6, #5, #40, #70, #50, #3, #5 = `anag (H6026): 1)
to be soft, be delicate, be dainty; 1a) (Pual) to be delicate; 1b)
(Hithpael); 1b1) to be of dainty habit, be pampered; 1b2) to be happy
about, take exquisite delight; 1b3) to make merry over, make sport of;
#10, #70, #40, #4, #50, #5 = `amad (H5975): 1) to stand, remain, endure,
take one's stand; 1a) (Qal); 1a1) to stand, take one's stand, be in a
standing attitude, stand forth, take a stand, present oneself, attend
upon, be or become servant of; 1a2) to stand still, stop (moving or
doing), cease; 1a3) to tarry, delay, remain, continue, abide, endure,
persist, be steadfast; 1a4) to make a stand, hold one's ground; 1a5) to
stand upright, remain standing, stand up, rise, be erect, be upright;
1a6) to arise, appear, come on the scene, stand forth, appear, rise up
or against; 1a7) to stand with, take one's stand, be appointed, grow
flat, grow insipid; 1b) (Hiphil); 1b1) to station, set; 1b2) to cause to
stand firm, maintain; 1b3) to cause to stand up, cause to set up, erect;
1b4) to present (one) before (king); 1b5) to appoint, ordain, establish;
1c) (Hophal) to be presented, be caused to stand, be stood before; #40,
#100, #9, #30 = qetel (H6993): 1) slaughter; #1, #100, #60, #8, #10 =
archomai (G756): 1) to be the first to do (anything), to begin; 2) to be
chief, leader, ruler; 3) to begin, make a beginning; #9, #100, #10, #60
= thrix (G2359): 1) the hair of the head; 2) the hair of animals; #5,
#2, #4, #70, #40, #8, #50 = hebdomos (G1442): 1) seventh; #3, #5, #3,
#5, #50, #50, #8, #40, #5, #9, #1 = gennao (G1080): 1) of men who
fathered children; 1a) to be born; 1b) to be begotten; 1b1) of women
giving birth to children; 2) metaph.; 2a) to engender, cause to arise,
excite; 2b) in a Jewish sense, of one who brings others over to his way
of life, to convert someone; 2c) of God making Christ his son; 2d) of
God making men his sons through faith in Christ's work; #30, #5, #30,
#1, #30, #8, #20, #5, #50 = laleo (G2980): 1) to utter a voice or emit a
sound; 2) to speak; 2a) to use the tongue or the faculty of speech; 2b)
to utter articulate sounds; 3) to talk; 4) to utter, tell; 5) to use
words in order to declare one's mind and disclose one's thoughts; 5a) to
speak; #80, #30, #1, #50, #8, #10 = plane (G4106): 1) a wandering, a
straying about; 1a) one led astray from the right way, roams hither and
thither; 2) metaph.; 2a) mental straying; 2a1) error, wrong opinion
relative to morals or religion; 2b) error which shows itself in action,
a wrong mode of acting; 2c) error, that which leads into error, deceit
or fraud; #5, #60, #5, #30, #5, #3, #60, #1, #10 = exelegcho (G1827): 1)
to prove to be in the wrong, convict; #80, #30, #8, #3, #8, #50 = plege
(G4127): 1) a blow, stripe, a wound; 2) a public calamity, heavy
affliction, plague,; #9, #5, #40, #5, #30, #10, #70, #10 = themelios
(G2310): 1) laid down as a foundation, the foundation (of a building,
wall, city); 2) metaph. the foundations, beginnings, first principals;
2a) of institution or system of truth;

FEMALE IDEA

#6, #50, #100, #2, #5 = neqebah (H5347): 1) female; 1a) woman, female
child; 1b) female animal;

#6, #10, #90, #1, #50, #6 = yatsa' (H3318): 1) to go out, come out,
exit, go forth; 1a) (Qal); 1a1) to go or come out or forth, depart; 1a2)
to go forth (to a place); 1a3) to go forward, proceed to (to or toward
something); 1a4) to come or go forth (with purpose or for result); 1a5)
to come out of; 1b) (Hiphil); 1b1) to cause to go or come out, bring
out, lead out; 1b2) to bring out of; 1b3) to lead out; 1b4) to deliver;
1c) (Hophal) to be brought out or forth; #40, #40, #30, #8, #40, #5 =
milchamah (H4421): 1) battle, war; #50, #100, #8, #5 = laqach (H3947):
1) to take, get, fetch, lay hold of, seize, receive, acquire, buy,
bring, marry, take a wife, snatch, take away; 1a) (Qal); 1a1) to take,
take in the hand; 1a2) to take and carry along; 1a3) to take from, take
out of, take, carry away, take away; 1a4) to take to or for a person,
procure, get, take possession of, select, choose, take in marriage,
receive, accept; 1a5) to take up or upon, put upon; 1a6) to fetch; 1a7)
to take, lead, conduct; 1a8) to take, capture, seize; 1a9) to take,
carry off; 1a10) to take (vengeance); 1b) (Niphal); 1b1) to be captured;
1b2) to be taken away, be removed; 1b3) to be taken, brought unto; 1c)
(Pual); 1c1) to be taken from or out of; 1c2) to be stolen from; 1c3) to
be taken captive; 1c4) to be taken away, be removed; 1d) (Hophal); 1d1)
to be taken unto, be brought unto; 1d2) to be taken out of; 1d3) to be
taken away; 1e) (Hithpael); 1e1) to take hold of oneself; 1e2) to flash
about (of lightning); #6, #2, #10, #30, #100, #6, #9 = yalquwt (H3219):
1) wallet, purse, pouch, bag, receptacle; #6, #40, #6, #90, #10, #1, #10
= yatsa' (H3318): 1) to go out, come out, exit, go forth; 1a) (Qal);
1a1) to go or come out or forth, depart; 1a2) to go forth (to a place);
1a3) to go forward, proceed to (to or toward something); 1a4) to come or
go forth (with purpose or for result); 1a5) to come out of; 1b)
(Hiphil); 1b1) to cause to go or come out, bring out, lead out; 1b2) to
bring out of; 1b3) to lead out; 1b4) to deliver; 1c) (Hophal) to be
brought out or forth; #40, #8, #10, #100, #5 = cheyq (H2436): 1) bosom,
hollow, bottom, midst; #6, #50, #1, #20, #30, #50, #6 = 'akal (H398): 1)
to eat, devour, burn up, feed; 1a) (Qal); 1a1) to eat (human subject);
1a2) to eat, devour (of beasts and birds); 1a3) to devour, consume (of
fire); 1a4) to devour, slay (of sword); 1a5) to devour, consume, destroy
(inanimate subjects - ie, pestilence, drought); 1a6) to devour (of
oppression); 1b) (Niphal); 1b1) to be eaten (by men); 1b2) to be
devoured, consumed (of fire); 1b3) to be wasted, destroyed (of flesh);
1c) (Pual); 1c1) to cause to eat, feed with; 1c2) to cause to devour;
1d) (Hiphil); 1d1) to feed; 1d2) to cause to eat; 1e) (Piel); 1e1)
consume; #6, #40, #10, #90, #10, #1, #6 = yatsiy' (H3329): 1) coming
forth; 1a) offspring (subst); #2, #20, #60, #80, #1 = kecaph (H3702): 1)
silver; 1a) as metal; 1b) as money; #6, #50, #2, #100, #5 = baqaq
(H1238): 1) to empty; 1a) (Qal); 1a1) to empty, lay waste; 1a2) to make
void (fig.); 1b) (Niphal) to be emptied; 1c) (Polel) to empty out,
devastate; #6, #20, #40, #6, #90, #1 = mowtsa' (H4161): 1) act or place
of going out or forth, issue, export, source, spring; 1a) a going forth;
1a1) rising (sun), going forth of a command; 1a2) goings forth, those
going forth; 1a3) way out, exit; 1b) that which goes forth; 1b1)
utterance; 1b2) export; 1c) place of going forth; 1c1) source or spring
(of water); 1c2) place of departure; 1c3) east (of sun); 1c4) mine (of
silver); #100, #8, #50, #5 = laqach (H3947): 1) to take, get, fetch, lay
hold of, seize, receive, acquire, buy, bring, marry, take a wife,
snatch, take away; 1a) (Qal); 1a1) to take, take in the hand; 1a2) to
take and carry along; 1a3) to take from, take out of, take, carry away,
take away; 1a4) to take to or for a person, procure, get, take
possession of, select, choose, take in marriage, receive, accept; 1a5)
to take up or upon, put upon; 1a6) to fetch; 1a7) to take, lead,
conduct; 1a8) to take, capture, seize; 1a9) to take, carry off; 1a10) to
take (vengeance); 1b) (Niphal); 1b1) to be captured; 1b2) to be taken
away, be removed; 1b3) to be taken, brought unto; 1c) (Pual); 1c1) to be
taken from or out of; 1c2) to be stolen from; 1c3) to be taken captive;
1c4) to be taken away, be removed; 1d) (Hophal); 1d1) to be taken unto,
be brought unto; 1d2) to be taken out of; 1d3) to be taken away; 1e)
(Hithpael); 1e1) to take hold of oneself; 1e2) to flash about (of
lightning); #40, #7, #50, #6, #50, #10 = zanuwn (H2183): 1) adultery,
fornication, prostitution; #30, #40, #70, #6, #7, #10 = ma`owz (H4581):
1) place or means of safety, protection, refuge, stronghold; 1a) place
of safety, fastness, harbour, stronghold; 1b) refuge (of God) (fig.);
1c) human protection (fig.); #5, #30, #5, #3, #70, #50 = lego (G3004):
1) to say, to speak; 1a) affirm over, maintain; 1b) to teach; 1c) to
exhort, advise, to command, direct; 1d) to point out with words, intend,
mean, mean to say; 1e) to call by name, to call, name; 1f) to speak out,
speak of, mention; #8, #100, #5, #50 = airo (G142): 1) to raise up,
elevate, lift up; 1a) to raise from the ground, take up: stones; 1b) to
raise upwards, elevate, lift up: the hand; 1c) to draw up: a fish; 2) to
take upon one's self and carry what has been raised up, to bear; 3) to
bear away what has been raised, carry off; 3a) to move from its place;
3b) to take off or away what is attached to anything; 3c) to remove; 3d)
to carry off, carry away with one; 3e) to appropriate what is taken; 3f)
to take away from another what is his or what is committed to him, to
take by force; 3g) to take and apply to any use; 3h) to take from among
the living, either by a natural death, or by violence; 3i) cause to cease;
I tipped the Bulldogs.
Haven't you just been done for being a North Korean spy?

Bygone wherefore all.

@memeBrain [Telos: #1654, Super: #30 - Government without Coercion, Be
Chary of War; I-Ching: H45 - Congregation; Tetra: 59 - Massing, Ego: #34
- Great Guide, Trust in its Perfection; I-Ching: H18 - Arresting Decay;
Tetra: 27 - Duties]

MALE IDEA

#200, #2, #6, #1 = ribbow (H7239): 1) ten thousand, myriad; #1, #80, #1,
#100, #9, #8, #10 = apairo (G522): 1) to lift off, take or carry away;
2) to be taken away from anyone; #5, #50, #4, #10, #20, #70, #50 =
endikos (G1738): 1) according to right, righteous, just; #5, #80, #1,
#50, #1, #3, #1, #3, #5, #10, #50 = epanago (G1877): 1) to lead up upon;
1a) a ship upon the deep, to put out; 2) to lead back; 3) to return;
#50, #70, #9, #70, #10 = nothos (G3541): 1) illegitimate, bastard; 2)
one born, not in lawful wedlock, but of a concubine or female slave;
#80, #5, #50, #9, #5, #10, #50 = pentheo (G3996): 1) to mourn; 2) to
mourn for, lament one; #80, #70, #10, #8, #40, #1 = poiema (G4161): 1)
that which has been made; 2) a work; 2a) of the works of God as creator;

FEMALE IDEA

Female Idea: #197 has 9 Categories: #6, #30, #1, #30, #80, #10, #40 =
'eleph (H505): 1) a thousand; 1a) as numeral; 2) a thousand, company;
2a) as a company of men under one leader, troops; #40, #2, #10, #90,
#10, #5, #40 = beytsah (H1000): 1) egg; #2, #90, #100, #5 = batseq
(H1216): 1) (Qal) to swell, become blistered; #5, #2, #90, #100 = batseq
(H1217): 1) dough (unleavened); #7, #70, #100, #20 = za`aq (H2201): 1)
cry, outcry; 1a) outcry; 1b) cry of distress; 1c) outcry, clamour; #7,
#100, #50, #40 = zaqan (H2206): 1) beard, chin; 1a) beard; 1b) chin;
#40, #7, #100, #50 = zoqen (H2207): 1) old age; #2, #50, #100, #40, #5 =
neqamah (H5360): 1) vengeance; 1a) vengeance (by God, by Israel, by
enemies of Israel); #20, #5, #100, #1, #40, #10, #20, #1 = keramikos
(G2764): 1) of or belonging to a potter; 2) made of clay, earthen;
news:4fc8b4ff$0$11119
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.... ?????
So David is smiling??
Has to be after that performance... Well done
It was good to see a competitive 4 quarter effort - although the game
could have been almost over at 1/4 time after 11 shots at goal.
A few Richmond players have just about run out of puff and need a rest,
Maric in the ruck being the most in need right now.
It was interesting that the name Riewoldt probably was probably named
twice in Richmond's list of 10 best players on the ground for them, one
kicked 8 goals for Richmond in a match winning performance and the other
turned the ball over enough to help the Tigers kick about 4 of their
goals.
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For the first time in ages all those Richmond supporting school kids can
turn up wearing their colours and not be the subject of pity and disdain
(at least for a few more weeks.......)
dolf
2012-05-31 07:19:39 UTC
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Look, I'm really sorry Telstra as your representatives of Samsung a
South Korean flag of symbols I understand, have deliberately affronted
by selling me your last superseded model.

While I am in the past forgiving of Korean Jeep manufactures, who failed
give proper measures to repair my vehicle, I will now be forgiving of
Samsung household.

What an affront you people are.

I want their products before my eyes. After my legal matters, I'll turn
that off as well and put it in a box.

The iPad Project will be my only resolve.

- dolf
- http://www.grapple369.com/jackNote.html
vince garcia
2012-05-31 10:58:29 UTC
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As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

--Apostle paul
A thousand may pray until their knees are bloody, but if they are not
keeping His Commandments, God says their prayer is an abomination to
Him. Yet the prayers of one one man who abides in Him can change the
"The effectual fervent prayer of a RIGHTEOUS man availeth much."
James 5:16 KJV
“Little children, let no one deceive you. He who DOES RIGHT is
RIGHTEOUS.” 1 John 3:7 RSV
Sounds good, doesn't it? SOUNDS like something a believer in Christ
might really say.

But what is the truth behind what Donna Kupp teaches and believes?

How can we know if this woman is of God or actually a false teacher when
she speaks?

Paul gives us the answer:

2 cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve
through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the
simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not
preached, or if ye receive ANOTHER SPIRIT, which ye have not received,
or ANOTHER GOSPEL, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with
him.

2 cor 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming
themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of
light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed
as the MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS; whose end shall be according to their
works.

Donna Kupp, for those who do not know, is a woman preaching a false
gospel with a false Christ that denies virtually every possible
essential of the Christian faith.

Note here paul's words about false teachers: they will actually be
"MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS"!!!!! Not antinomians, teaching lawlessness
and freedom to sin, but MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, teaching an
apparently good-sounding Gospel that is actually ANOTHER GOSPEL about
ANOTHER JESUS!

Let us test Donna Kupp's own words against the doctrines of
the New Testament and the Christian church, and see if we can determine
whether she is a servant of God, or actually a minister of Satan!

1. First, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach "ANOTHER
JESUS."

Is Donna Kupp's Jesus YOUR Jesus? Is her Jesus the Jesus of
Scripture?

While Donna Kupp just made a number of statements sound like something a
real Christian might make, we cannot make a judgment whether she is or
is not a true Christian based only on what she just posted here. We must
determine if she really teaches the same Jesus REAL Christians follow by
looking at statements she, herself, has made about Christ in the past,
that she may not throw out on a regular basis, because she knows it
reveals what she REALLY thinks about Christ.

So what does she actually say about the Jesus she follows, and
supposedly places faith in?

This...
"In the beginning was Jesus
and Jesus was with THE RULER,
and Jesus was Ruler.
The same was in the beginning with THE RULER."
John was teaching that Jesus was our Ruler (our theos) and that
Jesus was with the Father from the very beginning of creation.
(Not that Jesus was one third of some mysterious and mind-
boggling "Trinity" that no one had ever heard of.)
We can stop right there. Donna Kupp, denying the deity of Christ,
rewrites the Gospel of John in a manner that affirms that denial, so we
can either change all our Bibles to her new trenslation that "proves"
Jesus is NOT fully God, but some other sort of created lesser being, or
we can allow the sacred words of the apostle John to stand AS WRITTEN!

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the WORD
WAS GOD.

So we see her Jesus is ANOTHER JESUS that orthodox Protestants and
Evangelicals (and Catholics) DO NOT believe in.

For US, Jesus is God in flesh, fully God and fully man, and 2nd Person
of the Trinity she goes on to mock and deny.


2. Next, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach or operate under
a "DIFFERENT SPIRIT".

Does Donna Kupp teach and receive anoining by the same Holy Spirit that
REAL Christians follow?

Judge for yourself by her own words.
The concept that the Holy Spirit is God is based on a single verse in
Acts (5:3) where it says that Ananias lied to the Holy Spirit - and
later it says that he lied to God.
To conclude that the Holy Spirit is God on the basis of those verses is
merely an interpretation which adds to what is actually written. Since
the Spirit is the means of communciation between God and man, if you
lie to the Spirit you are in effect lying to God. Are there any verses
which actually say that the Holy Spirit is God?
Not one!
Jesus did not teach the Trinity, the apostles did not teach it, and it
was not taught by church leaders for three hundred years after the
death of Christ.
All REAL Christians believe not only in the deity of Christ, but also
the Godhood of the Holy Spirit. As we see from her own words, Donna
Kupp denies those two essentials of the faith, and proclaims the Holy
Spirit is only some nebulous "means of communication between God and
man"

So now we see she has fulfilled the SECOND warning of Paul--she has
A DIFFERENT SPIRIT than REAL Christians do.

By the way, her LIES about the history of the Trinity are instantly
refutable:

The deity of Christ was EXPLICITLY taught by Ignatius in the early 2nd
century

"To the Church at Ephesus in Asia . . . chosen through true suffering by
the will of the Father in Jesus Christ our God"
"FOR OUR GOD, Jesus Christ, was conceived by Mary in accord with God�s
plan: of the seed of David, it is true, but also of the Holy Spirit"

Letter to the Ephesians 1 110 AD
There is no record of the co-equal, co-eternal, three-in-one God
being taught by a single one of the early church fathers. It
was not a part of Christian teaching until it was formulated by the
Second Ecumenical Council at Constantinople in 381.A.D.
"No record"?


For the Church, although dispersed throughout the whole world even to
the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and from their
disciples the faith in one God, the Father Almighty . . . and in one
Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who became flesh for our salvation; and in
the Holy Spirit

Irenaeus, before 200 AD

And at the same time the mystery of the oikonomia is safeguarded, for
the unity is distributed in a TRINITY. Placed in order, the three are
the Father, Son, and Spirit. They are three, however, not in condition,
but in degree; not in being, but in form; not in power, but in kind; of
one being, however, and one condition and one power, because he is one
God of whom degrees and forms and kinds are taken into account in the
name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit"

Tertullian "Against Praxeas" early 200s AD

For Scripture as much announces Christ AS ALSO GOD, as it announces God
himself as man. It has as much described Jesus Christ to be man, as
moreover it has also described Christ the Lord to be God. Because it
does not set forth him to be the Son of God only, but also the son of
man; nor does it only say, the son of man, but it has also been
accustomed to speak of him as the Son of God. So that being of both, he
is both, lest if he should be one only, he could not be the other. For
as nature itself has prescribed that he must be believed to be a man who
is of man, so the same nature prescribes also that he must be believed
to be God who is of God. . . . Let them, therefore, who read that Jesus
Christ the son of man is man, read also that this same Jesus is called
also God and the Son of God"

Novatian, Treatise on the Trinity 11 235 AD

And now the capstone to Kupp's historial and TEXTUAL illiteracy:

The Lord says: 'I and the Father are one.' And again of the Father and
Son and the Holy Spirit it is written: 'And these three are one'.
Cyprian --Treatise 1 on the unity of the Catholic Church, chapter 6,
early 3rd century, PROVING THE LEGITIMACY OF THE COMMA JOHANNEUM KUPP
(and other historical illiterates) SAY IS A FRAUD.


3. The minister of Satan will also teach "ANOTHER GOSPEL."

Does Donna Kupp uphold the CHRISTIAN gospel? We've already seen she
denies and perverts the nature of Jesus Himself and the precious Holy
Spirit. But what is her actual gospel message? She talks about
obedience, and making Jesus Lord...but what does she really believe
about sin, justification, and sanctification? Does she ever lay out her
beliefs in clear language so the body of Christ can see and judge
whether she is or is not a fellow believer?

Yes!
To be saved is the first step in the process of salvation. Those who
are saved do not have eternal life -
Did you get that? THOSE WHO ARE SAVED ___DO NOT___HAVE ETERNAL LIFE!!!

LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

jn 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, HATH eternal life;
and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name
of the Son of God; that YE MAY KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that
ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of
yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
"If one who is born of God has truly repented of committing sin
(chosen to cease from sin) and then deliberately commits sin he has
despised the Holy Spirit, just as the OT the Israelites despised the
Law of God. It is blasphemy!"
"When we are converted all past sins are forgiven. After a person is
born-again, only sins of ignorance are forgiven. If a person sins
with knowledge and intent after that time, they have blasphemed
the Holy Spirit and there is no more sacrifice for sin. See Hebrews
6:1-8; Hebrews 10:26-31."
LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves
are ALSO FOUND SINNERS, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God
forbid.

Apparently, paul understood that even those justified in Christ STILL
SINNED!

Are we sure? Well, let's again test the doctrine of donna kupp by Paul's
own words, written in the last months of his life:

1 tim 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation,
that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I AM
CHIEF.

Wait a minute--I thought Donna said any Christian who willingly commits
even ONE SIN is eternally damned!

Apparently, paul did not realize this when he acknowledged he was the
WORST of sinners in 67 AD when he wrote this, 30+ years after finding
Christ! Thus, he must have been guilty of blaspheming the spirit
according to false teachers harold and donna kupp

What else did Paul have to say about whether Christians do or do not
commit sin in romans 7?

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing:
for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I
find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: BUT THE EVIL WHICH I WOULD NOT,
____THAT I DO___.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin
that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with
me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my
mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my
members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this
death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I
myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Does THAT sound like a man who has reached the state of sinless
perfection like Donna Kupp, who claims any sin she commits is 100%
accidental and unintentional??????

And this is her ultimate blasphemy regarding the blood of Christ...
Blood of Christ covers: 1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light,
as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the
blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. (Only sins
of ignorance)
Notice how donna kupp added the words "Only sins of ignorance" to
pervert John's words? Just as she did with the powerful passage in John
1:1, she rejects the message and inserts her own heretical words flat
out CONTRADICTING what was actually written! John says Christ's blood
cleanses us from ALL sin; Donna adds words to change it to all
UNINTENTIONAL sins, making the blood of Christ LIMITED in its ability to
atone for sin.

Kupp also has missed what Jesus said about how imperfect His followers
will always be:

Luke 4:4 And FORGIVE US OUR SINS; for we also forgive every one that is
indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from
evil.

Meanwhile, THIS is God's true message of salvation:

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become
the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

And while Donna Kupp blasphemes the gospel by claiming we keep--and
actually earn--our salvation through keeping the 10 commandments
perfectly, here is what the SCRIPTURE says about how we stay in right
standing security with God:

1 peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a
lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not
away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 WHO ARE KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD __THROUGH FAITH__ UNTO SALVATION
ready to be revealed in the last time.

So now we see her "gospel" IS NOT the gospel of the New testament. It is
a false gospel that...

A. Requires Bible verses to be rewritten in a heretical manner.
B. Requires adding a clarification to Scripture that TOTALLY overturns
what the Scripture actually SAYS.
C. Must deny the deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit.
D. Requires remaining in a state of salvation by keeping the 10
commandments PERFECTLY, or else the person is now damned without
possibility of repentance.
E. Blasphemes and limits the atoning power of Christ's blood to
"Only sins of ignorance."


4. As we noted, Paul says the MINISTER OF SATAN will actually appear to
be a MINISTER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS! That is what makes them so deceptive.
They are serpents in the guise of sheep, preaching righteous living and
'keeping God's holy law' while in their hearts is satan himself, drawing
people away from TRUE righteousness, to a perverted notion of it based
on keeping commandments!

Take a look at Donna Kupp's deceptive posts, including this one. Every
one touts the keeping of biblical commandments, threatens people with
damnation for failing to keep biblical commandments, and threatenes them
with damnation if anyone should ever--EVEN ONE TIME--willingly BREAK a
biblical commandment.

So Kupp APPEARS to be preaching the righteousness of 'keeping God's holy
commandments'...yet she does it in a way that is an UTTER PERVERSION of
the gospel of grace, and comes right from the mouth of satan speaking
good things, and making her LOOK like a minister of righetousness.

So, summing it up, Paul says that a minister of satan will...

Preach another Jesus...
Preach under another spirit...
Preach a different gospel...
While appearing to be a minister of righteousness while doing so!

I believe Donna Kupp meets ALL FOUR CRITERIA.

Based on the totality of her teachings, I see no conclusion other than
that the "Jesus" she follows is a demon spirit, and the "Yahweh" she
speaks for is actually SATAN.


I am dead to the law by the crucified body of Christ. Are you?
dolf
2012-05-31 07:23:04 UTC
Permalink
Look, I'm really sorry Telstra as your representatives of Samsung a
South Korean flag of symbols I understand, have deliberately affronted
by selling me your last superseded model.

While I am in the past forgiving of Korean Jeep manufactures, who failed
give proper measures to repair my vehicle, I will now NOT EVER be
forgiving of Samsung household.

What an affront you people are.

I want their products before my eyes. After my legal matters, I'll turn
that off as well and put it in a box.

The iPad Project will be my only resolve.

- dolf
- http://www.grapple369.com/jackNote.html
vince garcia
2012-05-31 10:58:24 UTC
Permalink
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

--Apostle paul
A thousand may pray until their knees are bloody, but if they are not
keeping His Commandments, God says their prayer is an abomination to
Him. Yet the prayers of one one man who abides in Him can change the
"The effectual fervent prayer of a RIGHTEOUS man availeth much."
James 5:16 KJV
“Little children, let no one deceive you. He who DOES RIGHT is
RIGHTEOUS.” 1 John 3:7 RSV
Sounds good, doesn't it? SOUNDS like something a believer in Christ
might really say.

But what is the truth behind what Donna Kupp teaches and believes?

How can we know if this woman is of God or actually a false teacher when
she speaks?

Paul gives us the answer:

2 cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve
through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the
simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not
preached, or if ye receive ANOTHER SPIRIT, which ye have not received,
or ANOTHER GOSPEL, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with
him.

2 cor 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming
themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of
light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed
as the MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS; whose end shall be according to their
works.

Donna Kupp, for those who do not know, is a woman preaching a false
gospel with a false Christ that denies virtually every possible
essential of the Christian faith.

Note here paul's words about false teachers: they will actually be
"MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS"!!!!! Not antinomians, teaching lawlessness
and freedom to sin, but MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, teaching an
apparently good-sounding Gospel that is actually ANOTHER GOSPEL about
ANOTHER JESUS!

Let us test Donna Kupp's own words against the doctrines of
the New Testament and the Christian church, and see if we can determine
whether she is a servant of God, or actually a minister of Satan!

1. First, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach "ANOTHER
JESUS."

Is Donna Kupp's Jesus YOUR Jesus? Is her Jesus the Jesus of
Scripture?

While Donna Kupp just made a number of statements sound like something a
real Christian might make, we cannot make a judgment whether she is or
is not a true Christian based only on what she just posted here. We must
determine if she really teaches the same Jesus REAL Christians follow by
looking at statements she, herself, has made about Christ in the past,
that she may not throw out on a regular basis, because she knows it
reveals what she REALLY thinks about Christ.

So what does she actually say about the Jesus she follows, and
supposedly places faith in?

This...
"In the beginning was Jesus
and Jesus was with THE RULER,
and Jesus was Ruler.
The same was in the beginning with THE RULER."
John was teaching that Jesus was our Ruler (our theos) and that
Jesus was with the Father from the very beginning of creation.
(Not that Jesus was one third of some mysterious and mind-
boggling "Trinity" that no one had ever heard of.)
We can stop right there. Donna Kupp, denying the deity of Christ,
rewrites the Gospel of John in a manner that affirms that denial, so we
can either change all our Bibles to her new trenslation that "proves"
Jesus is NOT fully God, but some other sort of created lesser being, or
we can allow the sacred words of the apostle John to stand AS WRITTEN!

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the WORD
WAS GOD.

So we see her Jesus is ANOTHER JESUS that orthodox Protestants and
Evangelicals (and Catholics) DO NOT believe in.

For US, Jesus is God in flesh, fully God and fully man, and 2nd Person
of the Trinity she goes on to mock and deny.


2. Next, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach or operate under
a "DIFFERENT SPIRIT".

Does Donna Kupp teach and receive anoining by the same Holy Spirit that
REAL Christians follow?

Judge for yourself by her own words.
The concept that the Holy Spirit is God is based on a single verse in
Acts (5:3) where it says that Ananias lied to the Holy Spirit - and
later it says that he lied to God.
To conclude that the Holy Spirit is God on the basis of those verses is
merely an interpretation which adds to what is actually written. Since
the Spirit is the means of communciation between God and man, if you
lie to the Spirit you are in effect lying to God. Are there any verses
which actually say that the Holy Spirit is God?
Not one!
Jesus did not teach the Trinity, the apostles did not teach it, and it
was not taught by church leaders for three hundred years after the
death of Christ.
All REAL Christians believe not only in the deity of Christ, but also
the Godhood of the Holy Spirit. As we see from her own words, Donna
Kupp denies those two essentials of the faith, and proclaims the Holy
Spirit is only some nebulous "means of communication between God and
man"

So now we see she has fulfilled the SECOND warning of Paul--she has
A DIFFERENT SPIRIT than REAL Christians do.

By the way, her LIES about the history of the Trinity are instantly
refutable:

The deity of Christ was EXPLICITLY taught by Ignatius in the early 2nd
century

"To the Church at Ephesus in Asia . . . chosen through true suffering by
the will of the Father in Jesus Christ our God"
"FOR OUR GOD, Jesus Christ, was conceived by Mary in accord with God�s
plan: of the seed of David, it is true, but also of the Holy Spirit"

Letter to the Ephesians 1 110 AD
There is no record of the co-equal, co-eternal, three-in-one God
being taught by a single one of the early church fathers. It
was not a part of Christian teaching until it was formulated by the
Second Ecumenical Council at Constantinople in 381.A.D.
"No record"?


For the Church, although dispersed throughout the whole world even to
the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and from their
disciples the faith in one God, the Father Almighty . . . and in one
Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who became flesh for our salvation; and in
the Holy Spirit

Irenaeus, before 200 AD

And at the same time the mystery of the oikonomia is safeguarded, for
the unity is distributed in a TRINITY. Placed in order, the three are
the Father, Son, and Spirit. They are three, however, not in condition,
but in degree; not in being, but in form; not in power, but in kind; of
one being, however, and one condition and one power, because he is one
God of whom degrees and forms and kinds are taken into account in the
name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit"

Tertullian "Against Praxeas" early 200s AD

For Scripture as much announces Christ AS ALSO GOD, as it announces God
himself as man. It has as much described Jesus Christ to be man, as
moreover it has also described Christ the Lord to be God. Because it
does not set forth him to be the Son of God only, but also the son of
man; nor does it only say, the son of man, but it has also been
accustomed to speak of him as the Son of God. So that being of both, he
is both, lest if he should be one only, he could not be the other. For
as nature itself has prescribed that he must be believed to be a man who
is of man, so the same nature prescribes also that he must be believed
to be God who is of God. . . . Let them, therefore, who read that Jesus
Christ the son of man is man, read also that this same Jesus is called
also God and the Son of God"

Novatian, Treatise on the Trinity 11 235 AD

And now the capstone to Kupp's historial and TEXTUAL illiteracy:

The Lord says: 'I and the Father are one.' And again of the Father and
Son and the Holy Spirit it is written: 'And these three are one'.
Cyprian --Treatise 1 on the unity of the Catholic Church, chapter 6,
early 3rd century, PROVING THE LEGITIMACY OF THE COMMA JOHANNEUM KUPP
(and other historical illiterates) SAY IS A FRAUD.


3. The minister of Satan will also teach "ANOTHER GOSPEL."

Does Donna Kupp uphold the CHRISTIAN gospel? We've already seen she
denies and perverts the nature of Jesus Himself and the precious Holy
Spirit. But what is her actual gospel message? She talks about
obedience, and making Jesus Lord...but what does she really believe
about sin, justification, and sanctification? Does she ever lay out her
beliefs in clear language so the body of Christ can see and judge
whether she is or is not a fellow believer?

Yes!
To be saved is the first step in the process of salvation. Those who
are saved do not have eternal life -
Did you get that? THOSE WHO ARE SAVED ___DO NOT___HAVE ETERNAL LIFE!!!

LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

jn 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, HATH eternal life;
and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name
of the Son of God; that YE MAY KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that
ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of
yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
"If one who is born of God has truly repented of committing sin
(chosen to cease from sin) and then deliberately commits sin he has
despised the Holy Spirit, just as the OT the Israelites despised the
Law of God. It is blasphemy!"
"When we are converted all past sins are forgiven. After a person is
born-again, only sins of ignorance are forgiven. If a person sins
with knowledge and intent after that time, they have blasphemed
the Holy Spirit and there is no more sacrifice for sin. See Hebrews
6:1-8; Hebrews 10:26-31."
LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves
are ALSO FOUND SINNERS, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God
forbid.

Apparently, paul understood that even those justified in Christ STILL
SINNED!

Are we sure? Well, let's again test the doctrine of donna kupp by Paul's
own words, written in the last months of his life:

1 tim 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation,
that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I AM
CHIEF.

Wait a minute--I thought Donna said any Christian who willingly commits
even ONE SIN is eternally damned!

Apparently, paul did not realize this when he acknowledged he was the
WORST of sinners in 67 AD when he wrote this, 30+ years after finding
Christ! Thus, he must have been guilty of blaspheming the spirit
according to false teachers harold and donna kupp

What else did Paul have to say about whether Christians do or do not
commit sin in romans 7?

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing:
for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I
find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: BUT THE EVIL WHICH I WOULD NOT,
____THAT I DO___.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin
that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with
me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my
mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my
members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this
death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I
myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Does THAT sound like a man who has reached the state of sinless
perfection like Donna Kupp, who claims any sin she commits is 100%
accidental and unintentional??????

And this is her ultimate blasphemy regarding the blood of Christ...
Blood of Christ covers: 1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light,
as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the
blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. (Only sins
of ignorance)
Notice how donna kupp added the words "Only sins of ignorance" to
pervert John's words? Just as she did with the powerful passage in John
1:1, she rejects the message and inserts her own heretical words flat
out CONTRADICTING what was actually written! John says Christ's blood
cleanses us from ALL sin; Donna adds words to change it to all
UNINTENTIONAL sins, making the blood of Christ LIMITED in its ability to
atone for sin.

Kupp also has missed what Jesus said about how imperfect His followers
will always be:

Luke 4:4 And FORGIVE US OUR SINS; for we also forgive every one that is
indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from
evil.

Meanwhile, THIS is God's true message of salvation:

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become
the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

And while Donna Kupp blasphemes the gospel by claiming we keep--and
actually earn--our salvation through keeping the 10 commandments
perfectly, here is what the SCRIPTURE says about how we stay in right
standing security with God:

1 peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a
lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not
away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 WHO ARE KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD __THROUGH FAITH__ UNTO SALVATION
ready to be revealed in the last time.

So now we see her "gospel" IS NOT the gospel of the New testament. It is
a false gospel that...

A. Requires Bible verses to be rewritten in a heretical manner.
B. Requires adding a clarification to Scripture that TOTALLY overturns
what the Scripture actually SAYS.
C. Must deny the deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit.
D. Requires remaining in a state of salvation by keeping the 10
commandments PERFECTLY, or else the person is now damned without
possibility of repentance.
E. Blasphemes and limits the atoning power of Christ's blood to
"Only sins of ignorance."


4. As we noted, Paul says the MINISTER OF SATAN will actually appear to
be a MINISTER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS! That is what makes them so deceptive.
They are serpents in the guise of sheep, preaching righteous living and
'keeping God's holy law' while in their hearts is satan himself, drawing
people away from TRUE righteousness, to a perverted notion of it based
on keeping commandments!

Take a look at Donna Kupp's deceptive posts, including this one. Every
one touts the keeping of biblical commandments, threatens people with
damnation for failing to keep biblical commandments, and threatenes them
with damnation if anyone should ever--EVEN ONE TIME--willingly BREAK a
biblical commandment.

So Kupp APPEARS to be preaching the righteousness of 'keeping God's holy
commandments'...yet she does it in a way that is an UTTER PERVERSION of
the gospel of grace, and comes right from the mouth of satan speaking
good things, and making her LOOK like a minister of righetousness.

So, summing it up, Paul says that a minister of satan will...

Preach another Jesus...
Preach under another spirit...
Preach a different gospel...
While appearing to be a minister of righteousness while doing so!

I believe Donna Kupp meets ALL FOUR CRITERIA.

Based on the totality of her teachings, I see no conclusion other than
that the "Jesus" she follows is a demon spirit, and the "Yahweh" she
speaks for is actually SATAN.


I am dead to the law by the crucified body of Christ. Are you?
dolf
2012-05-31 08:06:43 UTC
Permalink
Look, I'm really sorry Telstra as your representatives of Samsung a
South Korean flag of symbols I understand, have deliberately affronted
by selling me your last superseded model.

While I am in the past forgiving of Korean Jeep manufactures, who failed
give proper measures to repair my vehicle, I will now NOT EVER be
forgiving of Samsung household.

What an affront you people are. If I have to replace the Apple iPhone
4s because the cracked screen poses a health risk being immune deficient.

I DON'T want their products before my eyes. After my legal matters,
I'll turn that off as well and put it in a box.

No I have a better idea, I'll consider the SAMSUNG household as a
genetic aberration of DNA and put the phone in the body bag first and
mark it "ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARD",

The iPad Project will be my only resolve.

- dolf
- http://www.grapple369.com/jackNote.html
vince garcia
2012-05-31 10:58:18 UTC
Permalink
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

--Apostle paul
A thousand may pray until their knees are bloody, but if they are not
keeping His Commandments, God says their prayer is an abomination to
Him. Yet the prayers of one one man who abides in Him can change the
"The effectual fervent prayer of a RIGHTEOUS man availeth much."
James 5:16 KJV
“Little children, let no one deceive you. He who DOES RIGHT is
RIGHTEOUS.” 1 John 3:7 RSV
Sounds good, doesn't it? SOUNDS like something a believer in Christ
might really say.

But what is the truth behind what Donna Kupp teaches and believes?

How can we know if this woman is of God or actually a false teacher when
she speaks?

Paul gives us the answer:

2 cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve
through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the
simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not
preached, or if ye receive ANOTHER SPIRIT, which ye have not received,
or ANOTHER GOSPEL, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with
him.

2 cor 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming
themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of
light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed
as the MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS; whose end shall be according to their
works.

Donna Kupp, for those who do not know, is a woman preaching a false
gospel with a false Christ that denies virtually every possible
essential of the Christian faith.

Note here paul's words about false teachers: they will actually be
"MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS"!!!!! Not antinomians, teaching lawlessness
and freedom to sin, but MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, teaching an
apparently good-sounding Gospel that is actually ANOTHER GOSPEL about
ANOTHER JESUS!

Let us test Donna Kupp's own words against the doctrines of
the New Testament and the Christian church, and see if we can determine
whether she is a servant of God, or actually a minister of Satan!

1. First, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach "ANOTHER
JESUS."

Is Donna Kupp's Jesus YOUR Jesus? Is her Jesus the Jesus of
Scripture?

While Donna Kupp just made a number of statements sound like something a
real Christian might make, we cannot make a judgment whether she is or
is not a true Christian based only on what she just posted here. We must
determine if she really teaches the same Jesus REAL Christians follow by
looking at statements she, herself, has made about Christ in the past,
that she may not throw out on a regular basis, because she knows it
reveals what she REALLY thinks about Christ.

So what does she actually say about the Jesus she follows, and
supposedly places faith in?

This...
"In the beginning was Jesus
and Jesus was with THE RULER,
and Jesus was Ruler.
The same was in the beginning with THE RULER."
John was teaching that Jesus was our Ruler (our theos) and that
Jesus was with the Father from the very beginning of creation.
(Not that Jesus was one third of some mysterious and mind-
boggling "Trinity" that no one had ever heard of.)
We can stop right there. Donna Kupp, denying the deity of Christ,
rewrites the Gospel of John in a manner that affirms that denial, so we
can either change all our Bibles to her new trenslation that "proves"
Jesus is NOT fully God, but some other sort of created lesser being, or
we can allow the sacred words of the apostle John to stand AS WRITTEN!

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the WORD
WAS GOD.

So we see her Jesus is ANOTHER JESUS that orthodox Protestants and
Evangelicals (and Catholics) DO NOT believe in.

For US, Jesus is God in flesh, fully God and fully man, and 2nd Person
of the Trinity she goes on to mock and deny.


2. Next, Paul warns that a minister of Satan will teach or operate under
a "DIFFERENT SPIRIT".

Does Donna Kupp teach and receive anoining by the same Holy Spirit that
REAL Christians follow?

Judge for yourself by her own words.
The concept that the Holy Spirit is God is based on a single verse in
Acts (5:3) where it says that Ananias lied to the Holy Spirit - and
later it says that he lied to God.
To conclude that the Holy Spirit is God on the basis of those verses is
merely an interpretation which adds to what is actually written. Since
the Spirit is the means of communciation between God and man, if you
lie to the Spirit you are in effect lying to God. Are there any verses
which actually say that the Holy Spirit is God?
Not one!
Jesus did not teach the Trinity, the apostles did not teach it, and it
was not taught by church leaders for three hundred years after the
death of Christ.
All REAL Christians believe not only in the deity of Christ, but also
the Godhood of the Holy Spirit. As we see from her own words, Donna
Kupp denies those two essentials of the faith, and proclaims the Holy
Spirit is only some nebulous "means of communication between God and
man"

So now we see she has fulfilled the SECOND warning of Paul--she has
A DIFFERENT SPIRIT than REAL Christians do.

By the way, her LIES about the history of the Trinity are instantly
refutable:

The deity of Christ was EXPLICITLY taught by Ignatius in the early 2nd
century

"To the Church at Ephesus in Asia . . . chosen through true suffering by
the will of the Father in Jesus Christ our God"
"FOR OUR GOD, Jesus Christ, was conceived by Mary in accord with God�s
plan: of the seed of David, it is true, but also of the Holy Spirit"

Letter to the Ephesians 1 110 AD
There is no record of the co-equal, co-eternal, three-in-one God
being taught by a single one of the early church fathers. It
was not a part of Christian teaching until it was formulated by the
Second Ecumenical Council at Constantinople in 381.A.D.
"No record"?


For the Church, although dispersed throughout the whole world even to
the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and from their
disciples the faith in one God, the Father Almighty . . . and in one
Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who became flesh for our salvation; and in
the Holy Spirit

Irenaeus, before 200 AD

And at the same time the mystery of the oikonomia is safeguarded, for
the unity is distributed in a TRINITY. Placed in order, the three are
the Father, Son, and Spirit. They are three, however, not in condition,
but in degree; not in being, but in form; not in power, but in kind; of
one being, however, and one condition and one power, because he is one
God of whom degrees and forms and kinds are taken into account in the
name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit"

Tertullian "Against Praxeas" early 200s AD

For Scripture as much announces Christ AS ALSO GOD, as it announces God
himself as man. It has as much described Jesus Christ to be man, as
moreover it has also described Christ the Lord to be God. Because it
does not set forth him to be the Son of God only, but also the son of
man; nor does it only say, the son of man, but it has also been
accustomed to speak of him as the Son of God. So that being of both, he
is both, lest if he should be one only, he could not be the other. For
as nature itself has prescribed that he must be believed to be a man who
is of man, so the same nature prescribes also that he must be believed
to be God who is of God. . . . Let them, therefore, who read that Jesus
Christ the son of man is man, read also that this same Jesus is called
also God and the Son of God"

Novatian, Treatise on the Trinity 11 235 AD

And now the capstone to Kupp's historial and TEXTUAL illiteracy:

The Lord says: 'I and the Father are one.' And again of the Father and
Son and the Holy Spirit it is written: 'And these three are one'.
Cyprian --Treatise 1 on the unity of the Catholic Church, chapter 6,
early 3rd century, PROVING THE LEGITIMACY OF THE COMMA JOHANNEUM KUPP
(and other historical illiterates) SAY IS A FRAUD.


3. The minister of Satan will also teach "ANOTHER GOSPEL."

Does Donna Kupp uphold the CHRISTIAN gospel? We've already seen she
denies and perverts the nature of Jesus Himself and the precious Holy
Spirit. But what is her actual gospel message? She talks about
obedience, and making Jesus Lord...but what does she really believe
about sin, justification, and sanctification? Does she ever lay out her
beliefs in clear language so the body of Christ can see and judge
whether she is or is not a fellow believer?

Yes!
To be saved is the first step in the process of salvation. Those who
are saved do not have eternal life -
Did you get that? THOSE WHO ARE SAVED ___DO NOT___HAVE ETERNAL LIFE!!!

LET'S CONTRAST THAT WITH SCRIPTURE:

jn 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, HATH eternal life;
and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name
of the Son of God; that YE MAY KNOW that ye have e